Hillary won't win in November. She has alienated progressives...

[debbierlus]

THE base of democratic election campaigns....

The ones who voluteer to call, to knock on doors, to host fund raising donation parties...

The boots on the ground. The most active members of the democratic party.

I was with her a week ago, I am not with her anymore. I fought hard to defend her.

My breaking point was the Karl Rove interview on Faux News. It was nauseating to see any person within the democratic party degrade themselves by sitting down with this criminal, this ENEMY. And, it frightened me. If she would ally with him for her own election chances, instead of decrying what he has done and demanding investigations and justice, she has lost all credibility with those she claims to represent.

And, it deeply saddens me. A woman in the White House could have been such a sign of hope and possibility and moving forward.

Her campaign will be a black mark on all women who seek to run for POTUS, in the future.

[anonymous171]

1. She doesn't need those "activists"!

Those latte drinking activists don't want a president anyway, so why would they bother leaving their college campuses to campaign? :sarcasm: I see what you mean, triangulation INSIDE the party has only hurt us.

[pbca]

4. She also doesn't need

blacks, young voters, urban voters, or any voter from any state where she didn't win the primary because they don't count anyway

[Beacool]

13. The Clintons didn't leave the African-American people.

Sadly, they left them. They allowed the media to take out of context quotes that were not racist. The media fanned the flames and the Obama camp ran with it. Considering their decades of advocacy fighting for civil rights, women's rights and human rights, both Clintons at the very least deserved the benefit of the doubt. Instead, they were swiftly disposed of so that they could conveniently support a guy who has wafer thin experience, but who has the most important factor: the right complexion.

Et tu, Brutus?

[polpilot]

24. Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA Clintons will return to their Arkansas mountain cabin

where they can be together.

[Beacool]

34. Are you this much of an a-hole when you're away from the computer?

:thumbsdown:

[trained specialist]

85. Obama has alienated everybody else

so it's McCain.
All the hate Obama has been spreading is just going to kill us for another 4 years. I guess he'll expect to run again, on his message of Hope. At that point, everyone will Hope that he takes a flying leap. And take his fleet of Haters with him.

[polpilot]

86. Just got back from skiing. Wasn't an a-hole on the mountain. Clinton supporters should adopt

a serene attitude of confidence and, of course, a healthy dose of fantasy. If nominated she'll crash and burn and you guys can feign ignorance and disbelief. Might as well start practicing now. The rest of us with go forward with fact and fair judgment of the disaster that the Clintons and their neo-con buddies have brought to this country and continue to work for real change.

[Name removed]

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[Beacool]

48. Yep, that's why I'm no longer in their corner.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I now know that there's no such thing as being color blind, and that not all racists happen to be white.........

[NorthernSpy]

56. Then I'm in their corner twice as much...

And my support will be worth far more than yours ever was -- if it ever was, and I have my doubts on that.

[XemaSab]

65. You gonna go have a boot party?

Gonna go out and stomp some n******, Jews, and fags? :shrug:

'Cause that's where this post seems to be heading...

[workinclasszero]

64. Et tu, Brutus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

Hillary's knife is in the back of all democrats!

[Beacool]

75. She simply stated the truth.

McCain has many years of experience and is more than qualified to be CIC. We may not vote for the guy nor agree with his politics, but we can't deny what is self evident.

Hillary, not as experienced as McCain in that area, definitely is more qualified than Obama who has no foreign relations experience whatsoever.

I don't see this as a betrayal, but as a valid political point.

[polpilot]

87. McCain has proven himself to be a complete moron in the defense of the country.

Oh yeah. He was for the Iraq War like Hillary.

[Spider Jerusalem]

84. The Clinton campaign engaged in blatant race-baiting.

It was admitted to the Associated Press' chief political correspondent, by an unnamed Clinton campaign staffer, that part of the Clinton campaign's strategy was to attempt to marginalise Obama as 'the black candidate'. See: Bill's 'well, Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina, too' comments (no-one mentioned Jesse Jackson; and John Edwards won South Carolina, more recently, and lost the nomination...so why not John Edwards?)

To thinhk that black people are blind to the employment of these tactics, or that it WON'T turn them off from the Clinton campaign, is just stupid; and it's amazingly smug and condescending to suggest that African-Americans are supporting Obama because he has 'the right complexion' I suppose that explains why Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson got such overwhelming black support in their primary runs, right? Oh, wait...they didn't.

It's pretty clear that you'll continue to believe what you want on this issue, though.

[anonymeme]

49. Gee, I've Been a Democrat For a Long Time & Had No Idea Some Voters Were More Important Than Others!

Gee, I've Been a Democrat For a Long Time & Had No Idea Some Voters Were More Important Than Others!

As far as I know, it's still one vote from each person, regardless of position, wealth, power, race, color or creed.

And I've been an activist and never felt that the work I did entitled me to a more important vote than anyone else!

[niceypoo]

The left wing media (Air America, Olberman) will take down the party

Obamas supporters should be trying to sell Obama to Hillary supporters, instead they just abuse them.

They are driving people away from the party. The endless Limbaugh style character assasination of the left wing media towards Hillary and her supporters is doing more damage to the Democratic party than any stupid statement Hillary has ever said. They have adopted a policy of not beating her, but destroying her, which is straight from the GOP playbook.

Obama is not articulating anything positive, never cites any policy, and does nothing but talk about Hillary. The result is a body of 'support' that shows it through attacks on his rival. This has driven 70% of Hillary supporters into stating they will never vote for Obama, or about 1/3 of the democratic party. This bodes very badly for Obama if he wins the nomination, and it is his own fault.

[anonymous171]

25. lol "left-media" is attacking poor poor hillawy.

If they haven't been able to take down Bush, how are they going to take down Hillary?

[niceypoo]

35. Listen to Air America for 10 minutes

then get back to me

70% of Hillarys supporters wont vote for Obama, do the math Einstein....and next time read beyond the caption.

[anonymous171]

36. Well 24% are repugs soo...

[niceypoo]

38. Obamas supporters have made zero effort to get Hillarys supporters on their side

Instead they abuse...

They are digging themselves into a hole

[Beacool]

40. Only in MS, wise guy!!! n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

60. I'm done w/ AAR.

But I don't agree that 70% of Hillary supporter will not support Obama. If you mean by support other than vote for him, you might be right. I'll vote for him, but gettin down and dirty to support him ... fuck that shit. I've got to work on my parents to vote for him. But as far as I'm concerned. Let's just say ... I'll save a SHITLOAD of money this fall if Obama gets the nom.

[Beacool]

39. What the left doesn't seem to get is that Americans are essentially centrists.

That's why Bill won twice, the first Democrat to do so since FDR. Keep veering to the left and see who's going to end up in the WH in November. Unfortunately for us, McCain is viewed by a large segment of the population as a moderate. Remember how much vile he got from his own party's conservatives? A bunch who seem as dogmatic and closed minded as the left in our party.

[XemaSab]

69. So Kerry and Gore were too liberal for you?

This tells me a lot.

[bunnies]

41. The "left wing media". Nice RIGHT WING talking point.

Limpballs? Is that you?

[XemaSab]

67. Are you watching the same Obama I'm watching?

'Cause I've noted he barely mentions Hillary at all in his speeches. :shrug:

[backscatter712]

2. I've been volunteering for the Democratic Party.

I've been giving money, I became a precinct delegate. I'm getting involved.

Obama's been getting my support almost weekly as I can spare the money to donate.

For Clinton, nothing.

I do not vote for bigots.

I do not donate my money to bigots.

And I will not lift a finger to help this bigot get elected.

Hillary gets nothing.

[jconner27]

5. Going to stick to Obama voters

If Obama wins the nod I will not support him matter of fact I will either stay home or vote for Nader.

[tridim]

16. You might as well leave, because she's not going to win the nomination. nt

[Beacool]

17. Same here!!!

Preaching to the choir.......

[texastoast]

6. Won't vote for her if she is the Dem candidate? n/t

[dchill]

9. If she gets the nomination...

there will be a choice between two republicans in November, plus Nader. My vote won't matter.

[kimmerspixelated]

19. Poignant!

:scared:

[dchill]

22. Nah - just pertinent.

:)

[backscatter712]

23. Yeah, that's basically it.

If Klanton's going to act like she's a Republican, then I will vote as if she was a Republican.

[Mudoria]

82. Klanton? You've been hanging out around RW'ers

a little too much..

[texastoast]

77. Hillary was not my first choice either

and I'll need clothespins.

But she is no Republican, and the attitudes of people around here that are so anti-Democratic just slay me.

Lots of folks need to be reminded this is a Democratic board.

[bellasgrams]

26. Don't vote for Hillary, don't send her any money but know this

Hillary is not a bigot. No way, Wake up.

[backscatter712]

33. What Ferraro said, Clinton said.

Sorry, but Ferraro was speaking as Clinton's proxy. As Clinton's proxy, she made racist statements about Obama.

You think she'd do that without Clinton's go-ahead?

As far as I'm concerned, Clinton herself made those statements.

[annie1]

63. she has insulted the sacred cow, she is now a monster.

[dchill]

74. But she's willing to use it...

for political gain. It's the same thing.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. I wouldn't lick envelopes to get Hillary elected. Nor will I help Obama if he chooses her for VP.

[Beacool]

43. Ditto from me for Obama.

Furthermore, I won't even vote for the guy. As for bigots, racism works both ways as it's been fully demonstrated in this election.

[XemaSab]

70. So you think white people are the real victims of racial discrimination?

Interesting.

[Bucky]

3. I'm a progressive. I'm not alienated. I'm disappointed; I'm miffed; I'm stunned...

But I'm not going to begrudge her my vote or full throated support if she gets nominated. I haven't forgotten what's at stake.

Someone damn me if I do.

[yasmina27]

29. No damnation here!

I totally agree with you!

[book_worm]

7. more of a problem is if she alienated black voters who need to turnout in huge numbers

for either Obama or Clinton to win. No doubt she would still win 80-90 percent of them but if turnout is down then the election will be lost.

[movonne]

8. And about 90% blacks...

[JVS]

10. Maybe if she gave away a bunch of lattes she could patch things up

NOT!

[depakid]

11. I agree with much of this -except the last statement

Hillary isn't a "black mark" on all women seeking the presidency.

[kimmerspixelated]

21. Agreed!

[InsultComicDog]

27. +2

[XemaSab]

71. McCain's body language there is so telling

He's like a dog whose owner beats it. :scared:

[Occam Bandage]

12. Screw those latte-drinking over-educated activists. And screw those racist blacks.

And screw the young, the educated, and, well, practically everyone else. This is a party of left-leaning middle-aged white women, the elderly, and blue-collar uneducated whites. Everyone else doesn't count.

[jgraz]

14. Agreed. Not having a major party nomination will be quite the handicap.

[Cha]

15. Never thought I'd be

Rec'd one of your posts, debbierlus..but, I'm so glad that you're recognizing this on DU..thanks.

[Upton]

18. This is only my opinion but if you support HRC

you can't call yourself a progressive, ever.

[margotb822]

20. While I don't agree about the future part

I do feel similarly. Right now, McCain has to win the conservatives (those who still hate him, and the 30% who voted for Huck), and the independents (which Obama has done magnificently). Clinton has support in the Democratic base, but not much love in the independent world. Additionally, Republicans love to hate the Clintons and I'm sure would be thrilled to vote against them. McCain can't win the independents if Obama is in the race, but it will be much easier for him against Clinton.

[Birthmark]

28. Don't you mean...

...her campaign will be a WHITE mark on all women who seek to run for POTUS, in the future? I'd hate to see you accused of racism or something. There seems to be an epidemic of that going 'round, you know.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. "Alienated" does not even begin to describe how she has dismissed the base of our party.

[WinkyDink]

83. And what word describes Obama's dismissiveness towards "Boomers"?

[jackson_dem]

32. Obama gets 15% less Democratic support than Hill against McCain

He has alienated Democrats. As for "progressives", they have hated Hillary for years despite loving St. Obama for having the same policies. :eyes:

[bunnies]

42. I guess that means 15% of Hillary supporters are Repubs.

No self respecting dem would EVER vote for McCain.

[jackson_dem]

44. That means 10% of Obama Democrats are closet rethugs then?

[bunnies]

54. Obama has genuine R support.

Clintonists have been whining about it for months. You should know.

[jackson_dem]

57. I am talking about the 10% of Democrats supporting O who will vote for McCain if Hill wins

[mtnsnake]

45. The only people Hillary has alienated are Repukes and the whiners on this forum

Everyone else loves her and that includes Progressives, even tho some of them temporarily prefer Obama for the time being.

Who the fuck needs the Whiner vote anyway.

[kwenu]

46. No biggie. Hillary won't be on the ticket in November.

[tabasco]

47. "Obama is the most liberal senator!"

I never thought I would hear that from a Democratic campaign.

"Liberal" is a dirty word to the money&power-grubbing Clintons.

[anonymous171]

50. Clintons have been avoiding the "liberal" label since forever.

[karmicglee]

73. I am proud to be a liberal

I think we should learn to see ourselves as \"liberals\". Being a liberal is a beautiful thing, as JFK said. Never be ashamed of the label.

[amborin]

51. on the contrary: the democratic base supports HIllary

and that's why Obama cannot win in the GE

it's a major concern

his failure to win primaries in core dem states

[anonymous171]

53. Because Black voters aren't part of the dem base, same with educated voters, and young voters.

[grantcart]

52. Her campaign will be a mark on all people named Clinton in the future - not women

[Emit]

55. When did she interview with Karl Rove?

:shrug:

[ronnykmarshall]

58. Oh jesus!

And Obama has done SO much with the whole "Unity" bullshit.

Yeah keep banging that drum.

BOTH candidates have driven a wedge in this party. I'll be damned if he gets the nomination that I'll send one fucking penny to support his ass.

Oh I'll vote for him. But I'm in California and he'll win my state, thank God.

It would take a hell of a lot for me to pull up my jock strap and get out and support him.

NOW ... if he can get Diana Ross to sit down with Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong and get a REAL Supreme reunion .... then we'll talk.

OH and tell Miss Donnie the "ex gay" to go fuck himself would help too.

Flame away!

[Eurobabe]

59. Hillary won't get the nom because these has alienated just about everyone. n/t

[annie1]

62. oh, except for about 1/2 the democrats in the country.

[Eurobabe]

66. She won't get the Independents. Sorry.

:hi:

[annie1]

61. lol, awful far into the future and she must have some kind of reach to mark all women who run...

wow, you guys put way to much emphases on someone you don't even care for.

[Medusa]

68. She's alienated me

that's all I know.

[Blondiegrrl]

72. She never had progressives on her side to begin with. n/t

[judaspriestess]

76. Really ? I'm a progressive

and she didn't alienate me.....

are you sure about that?

[zulchzulu]

78. She won't win in November BECAUSE she won't be the nominee

[kotsu]

79. To hell with progressives

Or, by the more common term, Republicans Lite.

I'm a Liberal and darn proud of it.

[JoFerret]

80. Obama has offended this progressive

and so has Clinton.

[amborin]

81. on the contrary