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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:23 PM Original message |
What some folks are missing about Florida and Michigan... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well guess what, Florida, at this point is pretty much stuck |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Does Hillary have any actual influence over the decisions concerning |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yeah I've seen that too, even in the media |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. No, actually both candidates have been consulted on possible solutions to this campaign |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I had not heard this. Do you have a link? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. No, I don't, sorry. |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
56. Of course she does! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
111. It is the DLC that has the influence. |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. I suggest removing half of the delegates. same as the repugs did. That would make the impact minimal |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
102. What's half of zero? |
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Seeker30 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. Get your damn facts straight, its Obama that is rejecting a solution |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
80. See post #79 for update |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. . |
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lmbradford (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #47 |
92. actually.... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah, that's why the states have different numbers of delegates, and electoral votes-- |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. There are a number of cities in both Michigan and Florida that are bigger than Wyoming |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. That's an excellent summary of the problem |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Well, and as it turns out, Michigan's problems are now everyone's |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I don't know if you live in Michigan, but its miserable here. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:45 PM Original message |
Well, I'm from there, and most of my family is there. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Spoony, that's just not true. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Not everything is about friggin' Hillary or friggin' Obama |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. And as much as I like Levin, he was wrong on this. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
97. lol |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Unilaterally voting to ignore the national party... |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. Interesting |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Party can't give the delegates from FL and MI to Hillary. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Upon what... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. How does holding a new primary disenfranchise anyone? |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I've already voted. |
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Labors of Hercules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. bullshit. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. You're spinning. |
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Labors of Hercules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
120. in an unfair election, the only thing you can do is redo the election. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
107. ...in an illegitimate election. Try again. |
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DeadElephant_ORG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. that isn't even close to what yardwork argued. Quit throwing up strawmen. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I quoted him directly, FFS!! |
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DeadElephant_ORG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. "legally and in good faith?" No campaigning was permitted for God's sake. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. My candidate came in third...with 14% of the vote |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
108. Then there's the fact that Clinton actually DID campaign in FL, but called it a "fund raiser". |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
112. Funny you should mention good Ol' Mitch |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
60. Who is this "him" of whom you speak? |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. A thousand apologies. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. That's a line from Toy Story. Sorry. My profile says I'm female, etc. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I understand. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. LOL! Absolutely - that's our DU! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
59. There's plenty of evidence. Obama's supporters are more likely to be |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. So your "evidence" is your assumptions... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. I'm fine with the mail-in or some sort of do-over in FL. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Well, how about this? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Seems fine to me. Now that we agree, who do we tell? |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Well, I'm sure the DNC reads this board... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Howard, you've got my ok too - run with it, baby! |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. I think you mean "idear" |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. That's intriguing... though probably unworkable. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #86 |
98. It's simple enough. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. I agree that a penalty is important, but I cannot see my way to |
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foxer (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
95. How about you add 20% to Obama that he picks up campaigning |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The illegal primaries will not count. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
64. The primary was not "illegal." |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Sounds good to me. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
116. Better to just say it wasn't a valid contest |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. This Obama supporter agrees with you....... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Proper primaries are better for Obama in the long run |
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WilyWondr (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. not the voters fault ? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. By all means, throw the bums out. But the point of the OP remains. |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. Actually if proper primaries are NOT held he'll lose 56 delegates |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. John Edwards has a strong claim to some of those uncommitted votes |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. I agree with you on the situation with Michigan too |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. They should strip ALL the super delegates in FL and MI |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. The DNC does have a right to make it's own rules |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
19. The illegitimate primary did not count. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. If she is blocking the road it makes no sense. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. She's open to a revote. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. How is she blocking the road? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. it's too easy for old ladies to vote by mail |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. God, no! |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
121. ! |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. Ok, I thought it was only Hillary, everyone needs to agree on a solution |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Agreed. |
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lmbradford (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #45 |
94. I'll say it again.... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. That law does not apply to something run by a political party |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
24. Except she was the only one on the ballot in MI, so no one in MI could vote for any other Dem |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Of course the MI and FL "results" are meaningless. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. My point is the fact Hillary wants to count MI shows she doesn't care about fair or voters |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Yes, but it's not about her. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Well, no, she wasn't, since I |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Yeah, I feel bad for Kucinich every time someone says she ran "unopposed" |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
117. . |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
25. Well the fact is 48 states could play by the rules |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Real people vote in primaries, not states. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. And what you have said means... absolutely nothing? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "The states only have themselves to blame." |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Umm, most states I know are made up of people |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
84. It seems by your reasoning that all the millions of people in those states willingly broke the rules |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Collective punishment. It worked so well in Iraq, let's try it in Michigan |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
34. They're called "RULES" for a reason - they need to be followed. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. There is no rule against FL and MI holding proper primaries. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I'm so sick of this rigid "It's the rules" bs |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. So... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. "Ach! Ah hate these rrrules!" |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. "Willie hears ya. Willie don't care." |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
35. I live in Michigan and I disagree, |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. One thing that keeps coming up in threads like this one... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. I thought that they took their names off the ballot because the Party requested it? |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
73. Florida and Michigan broke the rules. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #73 |
91. waaaaah! who cares if we lose the GE? just as long as O's the nominee.. nt |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
74. Tell that to Howard Dean...he can't , or won't , understand that. |
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exsoccermom (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. ARGH |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
118. Thanks for the insight...I didn't know the facts you stated. n/t |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
79. Obama Opposes Revote In Michigan (talk left) |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
88. The problem for me is that I'm NOT missing the facts about FL and MI. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Good thoughtful post. |
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lmbradford (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
89. Didn't anyone ever tell you..... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. I'd agree if punishing them did not punish us all |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
90. Who needs FL and MI? screw 'em. O's going to win with UT and WY!! nt |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
105. What did all 28 million do and say before this happened to... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Do you think lazy people deserve a vote? How about ignorant people? |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. Again, what did they do or say? Are you telling me that those... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. You seem to be blaming the people for sitting back rather than burning up the phone-lines |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
110. I see your point, and I'll raise you |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. So you can add Mississppi and one more state to the list |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-13-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
119. Kick because the first step is admitting you have a problem |
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