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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:09 PM
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The Obama scandal from Heaven
Whats more damaging to Obama ...The rumor half the country believes, that Obama is a Muslim who takes his oath on the Koran ?

Or

The 'pastor problem' ..that will blow over in a day or two, but not before every voter in the nation hears that Obama is a Christian ?

Clearly this 'pastor problem' could work in Obamas favor.

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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:10 PM
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1. The soundbites during the GE are going to suck, and that's being kind.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:11 PM
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3. Great - so we can throw out McCain's pastor friend's anti-semetic comments, too
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:11 PM
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2. You figure the white hate speech is a plus?
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:12 PM
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4. Nope.
I think the fact that everybody will now know he is a christian is a plus.
Wright will go away and Obama will de-nounce and reject what he said.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:22 PM
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7. He said rich white people, so it's actually class warfare
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:26 PM
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9. Oh, well, that's a lot better.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:31 PM
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20. what "Hate speech" are you
having a problem with? Is it the God Damn America for starting an illegal, immoral war? The God Damn America for taking away our civil rights? The God Damn America for how we treat our veterans? The God Damn America for selling us out? Or is it the reference to Blowback of 9/11?


excerpts from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000

The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.

p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States drives the use of transnational actors ."
[]The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a ClA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid for future forms of blowback.
p12
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Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
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"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States.
But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry, for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowbackEmpire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/Blowback_BCJ.html

Or is it the reference to flooding the streets with Crack Cocaine?



March 21, 2001
Silencing the Messenger
Censoring NarcoNews

by Gary Webb

Not long after I wrote a series for the San Jose Mercury News about a drug ring that had flooded South Central Los Angeles with cheap cocaine at the beginning of the crack explosion there, a strange thing happened to me. I was silenced.

This, believe it or not, came as something of a surprise to me. For 17 years I had been writing newspaper stories about grafters, crooked bankers, corrupt politicians and killers -- and winning armloads of journalism awards for it. Some of my stories had convened grand juries and sent important people to well-deserved jail cells. Others ended up on 20/20, and later became a best-selling book (not written by me, unfortunately.) I started doing television news shows, speaking to college journalism classes and professional seminars. I had major papers bidding against each other to hire me.

So when I happened across information implicating an arm of the Central Intelligence Agency in the cocaine trade, I had no qualms about jumping onto it with both feet. What did I have to worry about? I was a newspaperman for a big city, take-no-prisoners newspaper. I had the First Amendment, a law firm, and a multi-million dollar corporation watching my back.

Besides, this story was a fucking outrage. Right-wing Latin American drug dealers were helping finance a CIA-run covert war in Nicaragua by selling tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods in LA, who were turning it into crack and spreading it through black neighborhoods nationwide. And all the available evidence pointed to the sickening conclusion that elements of the US government had known of it and had either tacitly encouraged it or, at a minimum, done absolutely nothing to stop it.

And that's when this strange thing happened. The national news media, instead of using its brute strength to force the truth from our government, decided that its time would be better spent investigating me and my reporting. They kicked me around pretty good, I have to admit. (At one point, I was even accused of making movie deals with a crack dealer I'd written about. The DEA raided my film agent's office looking for any scrap of paper to back up this lie and appeared disappointed when they came up emptyhanded.)

To this day, no one has ever been able to show me a single error of fact in anything I've written about this drug ring, which includes a 600-page book about the whole tragic mess. Indeed, most of what has come out since shows that my newspaper stories grossly underestimated the extent of our government's knowledge, an error to which I readily confess. But, in the end, the facts didn't really matter. What mattered was making the damned thing go away, shutting people up, and making anyone who demanded the truth appear to be a wacky conspiracy theorist. And it worked.

http://www.narconews.com/warroom.html

Or is it the AIDS comment?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/may97/tuskegee_5-...
AN APOLOGY 65 YEARS LATE

May 16, 1997
Lasting Legacy

Beginning in 1932, the federal government sponsored a study to examine the impact of syphilis involving black men. The experiment went on until 1972 without the test subjects' knowledge, but no President had apologized to the volunteers and their families until President Clinton did so today. Following a background report on the experiment, Charlayne Hunter-Gault looks at what the legacy of Tuskegee.

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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:17 PM
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5. Lose - Lose for BHO
Not a good week for Mr. Obama.

To say the least.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:20 PM
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6. Naive Argument.
To those who are susceptible to such things, you are giving them way too much credit in believing they will fixate on the Christian aspect of it, thereby eradicating the muslim part.

No. Instead, what you will get is that he's a muslim at least in part, that now also praises someone who hates america, thinks white people created aids, and that we are the cause of 9/11. If you think afterwards they'll pause to say "hmmm, but it is a church, so I guess he ISN'T really muslim", then I think you don't quite grasp how little their minds can be...
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:25 PM
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8. "we are the cause of 9-11"
Ummmm, we are. Our nasty foreign policy has created some blow back. I suppose you believe we were attacked because "they hate our freedoms" ?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:28 PM
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10. Tell Me. How Many Of The Thousands Of Innocent People That Perished That Day Had A Hand In Foreign
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 07:50 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
policy. Tell me that.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:33 PM
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12. Wow, promoting Hillary turns people into angry freepers
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:34 PM
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14. Self Delete
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 07:35 PM by ThatBozGuy
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:36 PM
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16. Thats the thing..
the people in this country have a say in who is their leader, unlike the innocent people we bomb around the world. When the USA crushed Irans democracy and nobody in the US stands up to stop it...then yes, we own it, we own Operation Ajax, you and me...we own it all. We also own Iraq, it was done in our name, we are Americans.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:36 PM
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17. We all do, either through action or inaction.
Our choice, but either one has it's effect. This was one of them. :shrug:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:30 PM
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11. Yup. Obama's "spiritual" advisor says "Farrakhan good, America bad"
that'll play well in Mainstream U.S. A..

Keep dreaming.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:38 PM
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18. I know... they think this scandal is the equivalent
of Bush reading a 'Goat Book' in kindergarten class the morning of 9/11.

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:34 PM
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13. RIGHT!! I thought that too
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:34 PM
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15. I probably WILL work in his favor. n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:18 PM
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19. You are right...
this could turn into a very good thing. The Preacher is telling the truth. People are offended because he uses the term "white man", while I personally use "2%'ers", or "The Elite". If more people 'get it' they will realize we are all fighting the same cause.
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