If the Rev. Wright thing brings down Obama, it means one thing.

[RDANGELO]

America is not ready to elect a black president.

[DURHAM D]

1. Wrong - they are not ready to elect a proven hypocrite. eom

[DJ13]

3. they are not ready to elect a proven hypocrite

So Hillary's excluded too?

Now what?

[Mooney]

I think your premise has been disproven many times in the past.

And if 2004 is any indication, they are even willing to RE-ELECT a proven hypocrite.

[stillcool]

62. Hillary?

[hiaasenrocks]

2. There it is! The "racist" charge to stifle debate.

What utter bullshit. Give it up.

[anamandujano]

18. Sickening. It has worked for Bama up until now, so of course they're

going to take this route every time.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

19. hiaasenrocks

Please explain how Hillary wins it Mathematically. I have asked that question a dozen times today. Not one single Hillary supporter has answered. By the way, I don't hate her, I will vote for her if a miracle of Biblical proportions happens. It is math. 1 = 1=2. I am a teacher, if fight the stereotype that many 12 year old girls have that they can't do math. I gently chastize them and tell them yes, they can. By the way, I consider it a sexist statement that
many parents throw on their daughters. I am sure you can do math. Please explain it, please.

[anamandujano]

29. A miracle of Biblical proportions is presently in the works, handed

to her by another "boneheaded mistake."

Psssst! She is neck and neck so it really doesn't have to be that big a miracle but it had a nice ring to it so I played along.

[AZ Criminal JD]

54. I'll give you the math but you don't want the answer.

That is why you keep asking the question because you want someone to give you an answer you want to hear instead of the truth. This isn't a class teach where you can b.s. students into giving you what you want to hear. Hillary has about 1494 delegates. There are about 350 delegates left to go. If Hillary could get 200 of the 350 in the remaining primaries that would give her about 1700. If she got almost all of the remaining superdelegates who haven't committed (338) it would put here over the top. Also she hopes to convince superdelegates who are committed to Obama to switch on the theory she would stand the best chance in November to win and would help candidates down the ticket better than Obama. Finally these totals do not include Florida and Michigan. If something happens in those states, which Obama doesn't even think exists, then she would be helped more. Now go back to class.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

61. Wow , such hatred for teachers

Could you explain how you learned to read and write and do math? Or did you learn it through osmosis? I consider teaching to be a calling, and do my very best to teach my students to think for their selves and never ask an essay question that has one answer, I ask them to apply what they have been taught. It is called higher order thinking skills. I am sorry that you did not have teachers that did that for you. I really don't think Science is bs, but if you do, you need to become a Republican, I for one am certain about global warming. I do tell the kids that is what I believe but that they need to look at the facts and come to their own conclusions. Oh by the way your math still didn't add up. She would need to win by about 65 % to 35% in all the coming primaries. I will vote for her if she wins, I really like her and think she is a good candidate. I think he is better.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

63. By the way I found it easily numbers are

math.

[AZ Criminal JD]

64. I see you skipped the delegate math which was your original question.

Where did I say I think science is b.s.? I have a B.S., M.S. and a J.D. so I have had my share of science. But I didn't learn to read and write and do math from teachers to answer your question. I learned it elsewhere. Grade and High school were good for socializing but the teachers were worthless.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

68. I am so sorry for your experience...

It shows that you had a bad school experience. Many students do. Read the e-mail my vice principal sent out yesterday.
I assure you that there are many good teachers who work very hard, love their students, and make a difference with students. My principal's school experience sound a lot like yours. As soon as he gets his doctorate, he is about half way through it he is going to talk to two teachers in high school that called him a loser and said he would never be anything.

E mail sent Wednesday March 12

As we are frustrated, tired, exhausted, irritated, losing it, etc., and can't wait for 2:55 tomorrow, please remember that not everyone in this building feels that way. I'm talking about our students....those names and faces that keep us awake at night. Remember that most of our population is not planning a ski trip, vacation to Cancun, or extra trips to the grocery store to accommodate kids being home. Many of them will be home alone, running the streets, hungry, and abandoned. There won't be electricity, video games, or adult attention.

While this isn't our fault and is out of our control, we can control how we respond to them. Kids in poverty do not look forward to breaks from school. You are there safe place. You are where they are fed. You are who cares. Doing without you for eleven days will be torture for some of them. Regardless of what they say, you will be missed. Many times they act out right before a break....it's their anger they can't control as they feel fear and don't know how else to express it.

Just keep this in mind as you go through the day tomorrow as you say adios.

Thanks,

[Name removed]

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[tabatha]

5. what a load of utter demented crap

[jillan]

9. Welcome to DU and beware -

the Obama supporters are pretty vicious around this place :)

[jgraz]

13. Yeah, we tend not to like moronic right-wing trolls

The real question is: why do you?

[woolldog]

10. Not only is that total BS.. ..

But how is that different from what most Republican presidents have done?

[madaboutharry]

17. You left out bunny rabbits and people who

limp.

[ZinZen]

52. Sean Hannity... is that you????

[goldcanyonaz]

6. 'Show me your friends and I'll show you who you are'...

[shadowknows69]

12. Oh really?

Do you really want someone to drag out all of Hillary's shady aquaintances? I guarantee she has a bigger skeleton closet than Obama.

[knixphan]

23. absolutely.

[goldcanyonaz]

24. She didn't run on a hope and change ticket. It's the hypocrisy that many will see.

[durrrty libby]

34. Wright was no "aquaintance"

[shadowknows69]

65. No, he was a pastor

A relatively peripheral person in anyone's life.

[durrrty libby]

36. Wright was no "aquaintance"

[redstate_democrat]

14. So Hillary should leave the race because

she is friends with Ferraro and that racist Sheriff Lee. Now what?

[goldcanyonaz]

26. Hillary was pounded on this forum for Ferraro. This hypocrisy must stop.

[jillan]

7. Wrong - they are not ready to elect someone whose spiritual leader

damns the nation that he wants to lead.

[woolldog]

11. Like Falwell damned America for 9/11?

[shadowknows69]

15. Exactly!!!

[jillan]

32. Now that you mention it, Wright is alot like Falwell.

Only difference is that bsh didn't run his campaign on his great judgement.

[Omega3]

35. yeah but I thought the Dem party was the party that wanted to keep religion out of politics, we've

got a bad situation here fo sur

[stillcool]

66. Didn't Falwell damn the gays?

On the other hand....well, this is from 2000 so it might not count...

excerpts from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000

The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.
p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States drives the use of transnational actors ."
The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a ClA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid for future forms of blowback.
p12
-----------------------------------------
Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
----------------------

"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States. But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry, for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowbackEmpire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/CostsConsequences_BCJ.html

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. That's The Most Stupid Thing I've Heard Here Tonight.

This issue has NOTHING to do with race, and I have yet to hear one person bring race into it as a concern.

I have no idea where this warped perception presented in your OP is coming from, but it sure ain't reality.

[ruggerson]

16. It has to do with judgement

and now it has to do with veracity.

[theboss]

25. What judgment?

Do you think there are black-led churches that don't deal with these issues?

In all honesty, what do White Americans think Black Churches are like?

[ruggerson]

37. It has to do with judgement

in that he knew he was running for President for a few years before he ran. He's a bright guy - he definitely knew that this man was incendiary in a *political* context. Why didn't he leave this congregation and find another church?

Concurrently, I thought his interview with Keith was a disaster. He said this is the first he's heard of these comments? Can any rational human being believe that?

Obama is popular because people think he's not a typical politician - that he tells the truth.

What we just saw was not the truth.

[theboss]

42. I honestly think his mistake is abandoing Wright now.

Though I understand why it has to happen.

The man officiated his wedding.

The man baptized his children.

He should have cynically cut him loose two years ago for political reasons?

Look...you can fire staffers. You can cut the chord with volunteers. But you should not abandon friends.

[ruggerson]

47. He didn't have to stop being friends with him

and I'm glad he's not repudiating him as a human being. It shows loyalty.

But, he should have changed churches if he wants to run for President.

And now he's compounded the mistake by saying he's never heard of these incendiary statements before.

He's in a tough place, because I don't know how you talk your way out of sitting through twenty years of sermons by this guy.

Remember, I'm talking purely from a political point of view. Wright's views don't particularly bother me and I think he's a kind of interesting guy.

But Barack is running for President of the United States.

[theboss]

20. A black minister condemning America for racism has nothing to do with race?

'Splain.

This has as much to do with race as Ferraro's nonsense did. The difference is, Wright spoke (largely) the truth.

[mmonk]

27. Yeah, I think it does have something to do with race.

It's about a AA minister whites find offensive. Of course there are many offensive white preachers and such but they are socially acceptable.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. Ward Churchill Was Just Blacker Than Black, Wasn't He.

You don't get it. This has to do with concepts, not race. You don't say you hate america and you don't blame 9/11 on america. If you do, people will get all sorts of pissed. That ain't got a damn thing to do with what race you are...

[mmonk]

57. So you're saying no preachers out there have been

saying we deserved 9/11 because of our sins? I bet you could find some. And New Orleans deserved to hit by Katrina and so forth. Or Hagee and his virulent anti-Catholicism and anti-Judaism?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. You Don't Get It, Do You. We're Not Talking About Some Random Preacher Here.

When you're ready to discuss this openly and without the false dismissals, then maybe we could have a discussion. And I mean that sincerely.

[Toallwhoshallsee]

48. Yep....

As for being the same age as Obama myself,and a first generation of integration, people older than us have a totally different view of this country, what I am saying is the playing field has mostly been even for us, where it was definitely not for the prior generations. We have been hearing these type statements from both sides of the camp at family reunions,work,charity meetings....Whatever....all our lives....But it is not who we are..We are the sum of our experiences and dreams...It will be nice one day in this country, where the only time racial questions are brought up for an individual will be from their Doctor.. That is the real Dream....

[adoraz]

21. no, it means....

Americans are really damn stupid if something like this brings down Obama.

[Omega3]

22. No it means they're not ready for a double-taking hypocrite who has surrounded himself with a

total fucking nutjob who doesn't represent the majority of American views, black, white, Dem, repuke

America was founded to destroy Islam, ...........yeah, that's what those Pilgrims had in mind

the US Gov't created AIDS to kill black ppl, ...........It was created in Africa using chimp kidneys as live culture for a vaccine when they never should've used chimps parts for the live culture

Jesus was a poor black man oppressed by rich white Romans which were Italians, thus Europeans, shame on white europeans, .......WTF??? this won't play anywhere, blue, red or purple

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

28. Will one single Clinton supporter explain

Please explain how Hillary wins it mathematically. I have asked that question a dozen times today. Not one single Hillary supporter has answered. By the way, I don't hate her, I will vote for her if a miracle of Biblical proportions happens. It is math. 1 = 1=2. I am a teacher, if fight the stereotype that many 12 year old girls have that they can't do math. I gently chastise them and tell them yes, they can. By the way, I consider it a sexist statement that
many parents throw on their daughters. I am sure that all of you can do math. Please explain it, please.

[rug]

31. I will if you can tell me what a non sequitur is.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

40. non sequitur

I know that my post does not follow the line of the postings. Your arguments against him still do not make a difference. He will be the nominee. How does she win. It is math. I we lose it in November so be it. If Hillary gets it we lose in November, any way since over half of the nation has a unfavorable view of her.( that I do not share as I said if she gets the nomination I will vote for her)

[anamandujano]

38. Here's how. Supers who sign on with Bama from here on are

basically signing on to this bullcrap from Wright.

I think that next week we will see a lot of prominent blacks weighing in on this (as soon as they can recover from being shell shocked.) I suspect they will try to distance themselves from it, and rightly so. Most of them have worked tirelessly for their constituents and will not care for Bama and his mentor destroying their community and the progress they've made in this (admittedly) unfairly weighted culture. The lion's share of whites and other Americans want to do the right thing. They just need to be shown how. Wright's way is not the right way to go about it.

Kennedy will have to weigh in, as well as Kerry. Let's see how they spin their sinking world.

[Omega3]

43. plus buyer remorse in the last primaries along with SD's, this is not good, the things Rev. Wrong

said are not even close to mainstream, "god damn America" multiple times jumping around on stage regarding: 9/11, amongst the many other things he said, this doesn't play well ANYWHERE in the US, he's gone too far and yes, BO is linked to him, he is more than just his pastor.

and look for somebody to find out exactly when BO attended and to correlate the sermons and find some bad stuff being said and he'll be sunk.

[amandabeech]

70. On Olberman, Jonathan Alter said that there were more audio tapes.

He said that Wright's minister friends taped their sermons and passed them around. The minister who leaked to Alter said that Wright was known as a particularly fiery speaker. On CNN, Obama said that he listened to some of Wright's sermons on tape while he was at Harvard.

I got the impression that Alter knew that there was more material from Wright out there.

Someone's going to get their hands on those audio tapes before this is over.

Also notice that Obama concentrates on what he heard in the pews, and fudges a little about what he might have heard. I think that he knows that there's more.

The worst thing is to have this stuff leak out over weeks.

[democrattotheend]

53. You don't think they knew about this beforehand?

I have to believe that the superdelegates who have endorsed him did some research before putting their credibility on the line. Hopefully Obama can withstand the storm...it sounds like they knew it was coming.

[Omega3]

58. sure they did, he's gotten a total free ride from the MSM for the longest time, they can switch thei

votes, this ain't over yet and is another reason HC needs to stay in, he's not vetted, he's got alot of skeletons in his closet.

he will be ripped apart on this one, even if he's the nom the 527's will go beserk about this, this will not play well in any section of the country, nonetheless in FL, OH, MO, VA, the so called swing states, what REV. WRONG said was totally inflamitory and this is really bad for him.

[AZ Criminal JD]

59. See post 54. You can find it, teach.

[shadowknows69]

33. If that's a fact

I don't think I want to be an American anymore.

[Omega3]

39. the boats to china leave on the hour from the West Coast, pack you belongings and bye bye

[ExtraGriz]

41. sorry, but obama is bringing down obama

one too many bone headed moves.....he's an intelligent man, he must of known something like this will hurt his campaign.

[Omega3]

44. he's too egotistical to think it'll hurt him,

[ExtraGriz]

46. now he is saying rezko was MORE involved in his campaign fundraising

than what was previously known.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story

[Omega3]

49. BO says "please go back to Rezko, that wasn't as damaging" LOL :)

[bhikkhu]

45. Or, "Democrats aren't ready to elect their own candidates"

We need the GOP and MSM to have complete control, or at least veto power.

[Omega3]

50. well the MSM is giving all the airtime he needs to 'confront' this story, first KO and later AC 360

[hayu_lol]

51. Much ado about nothing, absolutely nothing...

not much difference between Wright and Robertson(called on god to punish Florida with hurricanes), Falwell, Dobson, et al.

So, big deal. Obama has a fire-breathing Revrund that he likes and appreciates. Others follow all the others.

Rezco trumps Wright hands down.

Would someone spend some time inspiring us with definitive meanings of 'Hope' and 'Change?'

[mtnsnake]

55. So now it's America's fault if Obama wasn't ready to be the first black president. lmao

If ANYTHING brings Obama down, it means he wasn't ready, period, to be the first black president because so far he has just about had this thing handed to him on a silver platter. If he blows it, it's nobody's fault but his own.

[Moochy]

56. Faux-bama supporters unite! Flying Monkey Beacon Activated!

Let's see you all express your doubts!

[Frank Booth]

67. It will prove that America will go to any lengths

to bring down a black man, no matter how decent a person he is, and no matter how much he's willing to give to this country.

I wish Clarence Thomas hadn't ruined the phrase "high tech lynching" because we're really seeing an attempted high tech lynching here.

This is beyond disgusting.

[Name removed]

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[HopeforChange]

71. Exactly ... Thanks n/t