Pastorgate is exactly the reason that super delegates exist - and the reason they

[jlake]

should exist.
A stunning revelation occurring this far along in the nomination process can only be resolved by party intervention - i.e. super delegates.
They are there to make sure that the people do not make a disastrous decision - and since most people have already voted - without the knowledge of Rev. Jeremiah Wright , it is a good thing there is a mechanism to handle the situation so we are not stuck with a completely unelectable candidate.

Obama should drop out now for the good of the party. - but if he doesn't the SDs will have to support Hillary.
National polls are going to shift away from Obama in a dramatic way.
Hillary's big wins coming up combined with those shifting polls will mean the only responsible course of action is for all super delegates to support Hillary as our nominee.
I am a Hillary partisan - but everyone should be able to see that Obama is unelectable in the GE. The head in the sand routine isn't going to cut it. Obama's claims of ignorance to aren't going to cut it.
He did not effectively respond to this scandal - and I don't think he can.

[ProSense]

1. So you think this help Hillary? Where is her tax return? n/t

[jlake]

3. I think it has destroyed Obama.

I don't think it has helped Hillary - other than eliminating the competition.

[ProSense]

6. Like all the things you thought destroyed him before MS? n/t

[jlake]

14. I never thought he was destroyed, so I don't know to what you are referring.

This post isn't meant as a bash on Obama. I actually agree with a good deal of what Rev. Wright said.... though some is extremely racist and over the top - and the delivery of all of it is not my taste.... but this is not going to fly with America.

[ProSense]

17. Hillary is not going to win! Nothing Wright said was racist! n/t

[JoFerret]

76. His rants are pretty vile. Deeply problematic (to me)

I would not want my president to be associated with them in a real sense.

[indimuse]

142. nothing personal...PS just likes to type!

:)

[Joe the Revelator]

27. There is nothing new about this "relevation" and nothing about it makes Obama unelectable

Stop kidding yourself.

[jlake]

28. Yes - it is BRAND NEW to the millions of Americans who are SEEING and hearing

it for the first time.... not everyone is a political junkie.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. Millions of Americans? I think you're severely over estimating the importance of this

No traction except on Fox and Rush. See the type of dogs you have to lie with?

[jlake]

58. Did you see the news tonight or daytime/morning TV? EVERYWHERE.

A newspaper, magazine perhaps? ..... ostrich approach not going to work.

[Voice for Peace]

64. The more publicity it's getting, the more opportunity people are going to have to

hear or read his response, and that's a positive in the big picture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3Rra3CgMA
No, this isn't going to destroy him, not now and not in November.

[juajen]

87. Actually, I;'m watching it on Anderson Cooper right now; if I switched,

it would probably be on MSNBC. I expect it will also be on nightline also, but I will check to see.

[JoFerret]

77. We don't have to speculate on this. The evidence will soon be there for all of us.

.

[totodeinhere]

50. You have been against Obama from day one.

Of course you will milk this for all it's got now.

[Seeker30]

89. Nobody gives a damn about her tax returns

Compared to someone with an anti-american agenda trying to take over the country.

[Leopolds Ghost]

96. "someone with an anti-american agenda trying to take over the country."

Are you now, or have you ever been, a reverse racist black separatist who
(gasp) believes that Hillary did not know what it is to grow up poor and
black in a country which was run by rich, old, white men? Sounds pretty
racist to me. Positively offensive -- especially to "white and proud,
it's not racist for me to say that Barack Obama scares me..." Hill bots.

[niceypoo]

129. Obama supporters can say anything about anything ....

...But if the shoe is on the other foot, it's the end of the world.

If Obama becomes president get used to endless Al Sharpton news conferences everytime Obama is criticized in the slightest.

[cali]

144. what a completely wingnut freeper sentiment.

You're on the wrong website. You need a hate filled freeperville type site to post your vile shit on.

[niceypoo]

127. Ask Ken Starr....

[rodeodance]

140. Stop SPAMing this thread and others with the same crap!

[polichick]

2. This isn't a NEW revelation...

It was discussed and dismissed months ago.

[jlake]

7. Nope. The videos and audio never hit the MSM like this.... nice try.

Watch for an immediate 8-12 point drop in Obama's polls.... especially as the candidate more likely to be McCain..

[DURHAM D]

9. It is not "dismissable" . eom

[trayfoot]

13. But.........

how many people had actually seen the video "months ago"?

[Barack_America]

4. So what will we do after the Clintons release their tax returns?

And we find out that Hillary's campaign was kept afloat with Dubai money?

Just scrap the Democratic convention and hand the election to McCain?

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. The Dubai deal made millions also the Columbian oil deal

with the Canadian energy baron. Now the taxes, library, earmarks, and presidential records
are the other skeletons rattling and trying to break out of her closet.

[Omega3]

61. he's in bed with Rezko who's in bed with an Iraqi billionaire, give me a break, you don't get to

where Obama is so quickly by being clean, yes he's a good speaker (to some) and charismatic but that doesn't account for it all.

[izzybeans]

5. Sometimes the mob can't be trusted to handle minor events rationally. This is true.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. You also thought Clinton would win Mississippi.

so there you go.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. Thank you Tip O'Neil

[jlake]

18. Absolutely!

:applause: This situation proves him right. The super delegates are needed - and aren't "anti-democratic" - but necessary to preserve the party.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

56. To preserve the party by preventing from being hijacked by members of another party who may have...

voted in the Democrat Party elections.

[Leopolds Ghost]

98. "the Democrat Party elections".

Elsewheres Daughter is right. You should be elsewhere with this rhetoric.

Methinks you doth protest too much -- especially after your silence on
McCain's spiritual advisors (OOPS! I FORGOT -- PINK TUTU DLC DEMS SAY
IT'S OK IF A REPUBLICAN DOES IT, JUST LOOK AT RUSH VS. IMUS).

[DemBones DemBones]

43. Yes, we could still win, with HRC. nt

:kick:

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[JoFerret]

78. boo.

.

[pocoloco]

12. Do you get a pain between the ears when you think??

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[BklynChick]

15. that's ridiculous on so many levels.

[C_U_L8R]

19. Nice try

But Hillary is still losing. Bwahahahhaha.

[Umbram]

20. Maybe you should quit and come back again. I heard it does wonders for credibility. (nt)

[backscatter712]

21. Sorry, you thought you had him by the short-and-curlies...

but he slipped your grasp and now you're slammed to the mat again by his verbal jiu-jitsu.

Pitiful.

Guess you'll have to invent another "scandal" next week.

Now you're lowered yourself to overtly advocating the overriding of democratic elections. That's just pathetic. Can't win in a clean race, so you've got to steal it.

[jlake]

24. His verbal jiu-jitsu?

Um --- sorry. People are now onto him for being an empty suit with "just words".
This thread isn't about debating Obama --- he's out... argue all you want.
I'm just discussing the role of super delegates.

[backscatter712]

37. You're way out in delusion land.

He's not out, no matter how much you want him to be - he's clearly rejected and denounced Wright's hostile rhetoric, and the fact you're not facing is that this "scandal" has no fangs.

And it's certainly not going to cause mass defections, nor is it going to cause superdelegates to override the pledged delegates.

It's not just a river in Egypt...

[BlackVelvet04]

156. Too little too late....

he supported Wright and that church for 20 years. Wright was his PERSONAL spiritual mentor.

[NJSecularist]

22. "National polls are going to shift away from Obama in a dramatic way. "

When? Where? Do you have proof of this statement?

[jlake]

26. Within several days --- the proof will be seen by all -- and I hope you'll be smart

enough to see it and not play ostrich. Obama is mortally damaged.

[NJSecularist]

40. What is a reasonable timetable to see this shift - 7 days?

I'll hold you to that "prediction". Don't root too hard, though.

[jlake]

66. I'd say 5 days.

[Goblinmonger]

103. Business Days?

:hide:

[jlake]

119. No, I'm not a charlatan blogger.

[Goblinmonger]

122. See you on Wednesday, then n/t

[jlake]

124. See you.... On Wednesday I'll tell you I meant business days. j/k

B-)

[Goblinmonger]

125. See

this subthread is proof that you and I would get along just fine over a couple drinks.

...After the primaries :evilgrin:

[jlake]

147. Yeah - probably.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
But it does look like I was right.
Since this is a 4 day tracking poll, it looks like on day 1 of the scandal Hillary polled at 50 and Obama at 35.... a massive drop.

[cali]

145. you're right. you're not.

you're simply delusional, dear. You need proper professional help for it.

[jlake]

146. Oh Cali - Did you see the Ras tracking poll.....

since it's a 4 day poll... it looks like Yesterday (1st day of scandal)
Hillary 50 to Obama 35.
This is a bigger deal than you Obama supporters realize.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[jlake]

148. Looks like it has started in a big way.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[KittyWampus]

23. what about Hillary's Prayer Cell as part of "The Fellowship" headed by Doug Coe?

[uponit7771]

31. ...uh...uh....that don't count....that don't count!! /sarcasm

[DemBones DemBones]

41. Prove somebody is preaching hate there and you'll have

a toe to stand on.

[KittyWampus]

67. they are preaching "waging war for christ" and promote theocracy. It's an extreme far beyond

the fiery, politically incorrect rhetoric of Wright.

The Mission, the Membership and the Leadership are all extreme and anti-democratic.

[milkyway]

25. Stunning revelation? Stop pretending you're so fucking stupid. This has been around since

he announced his candidacy.

[uponit7771]

29. WOW Obama should be held responsible for Wright says!??!?!?

[jlake]

34. Wright is part of Obama's campaign - he married Obama and Michelle,

Baptized Obama's daughters.... Obama gave 22K to the church, Obama has been a member for 20 years, Obama has called Wright his "moral compass" ....
Obama has described his church as "not controversial" .... Obama's actions stand on their own.

[Leopolds Ghost]

104. What about McCain's spiritual advisor who brought McCain to Christ, thinks US must wipe out Islam?

I don't recall Wright saying anything like that. And what's so wrong
about the "All of a sudden, Barack obama is too black... hillary doesn't
know what it's like to grow up poor and black in a country run by rich
old white men" statement? HMMMMM??

Sounds not much different from Geraldine Ferarro -- and white bobble-head
women were rushing to agree with her.

[Goblinmonger]

108. OMG This is series!!!!!1!!!1

He married them and baptized their kids. It's like he and Obama share the same brain!

[rodeodance]

141. He claims that n 20 years he knew nothing about them.

[Emit]

30. To get rid of scary Black candidates?

I'm not sure I follow. Explain why Obama needs to be rotten rid of?

[Politicub]

32. Uhm... the Wright thing isn't that big of a deal

I think all preachers are a little bit nutty, but I like the rev's social justice gospel.

[AZBlue]

33. I've had enough of this idiotic drool. Buh bye.

[DemBones DemBones]

35. You got it. I've been thinking the same thing, along with

thinking if Obama has any sense of honor and commitment to the Democratic Party, he should withdraw now and release his delegates. We could still beat McCain if Obama got out now and he'd have a political future down the road. Hell, he'll only be 54 in 2012.

Of course, I'm not holding my breath for him to do this, I think he'd prefer to destroy the party.

[ExtraGriz]

65. with all these newfound baggages

he will lose us the presidency if he wins the nomination....and you're right, he should step down. this is not good for the democratic party.

[Celebration]

38. Let us make 7 or 9 recommendations

For the greatest page.

Plus, limit the number of nominations per day, per person. I just wasted my time with crap. I suggest 0 for GDP, 7 for GD, and 5 for all other.

[Auntie Bush]

39. He excuses himself by saying that he didn't HEAR Wright say those things.

Doesn't matter and I'm sure he never heard those speeches. But he did KNOW that he said them and should have called him out on it and disavowed him before he ever entered the race. That was poor judgment! I mean that and it wasn't just political snark. It was really, really stupid judgment! How can anyone refute that? :shrug:

[DemBones DemBones]

52. Yep, I don't get how two lawyers with Ivy League degrees could

be so politically clueless about this. Obama gave it away that he knew Wright was controversial by saying some time back that he was like an old uncle he sometimes disagreed with.

Hell, I had an uncle I disagreed with for good reason and I avoided him for years.

And if my priest said something racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, etc., I would walk out, down the center aisle to the front, shake my fist at him, and go out the side door. But he wouldn't say anything like that.

[amandabeech]

62. I went to one of those Ivy League law schools.

It was full of socially tone-deaf folks.

Academic ability does not equal an equal ability in people skills.

[Leopolds Ghost]

115. What Hillary folks don't understand is most folks don't disown their RW uncles or leave their church

Over pastor's politics (that's called cafeteria religion and we trash it when senseless center-liberals go church shopping for a church that makes their kids feel safe and does not make them feel guilty about not giving back to the community. We also trash it when conservatives abandon mainstream churches en masse for not urging the imprisonment of women undergoing an abortion.)

[theboss]

120. My favorite uncle is a bookie. If I ran for office and people attacked him, I'd tell them to blow me

So...there you go.

We are in this stupid game again where our candidates need to be living saints.

Can you imagine if JFK ran in this culture? His dad was a fucking racist, philandering, Nazi-sympathying mobster.

Can you imagine if FDR ran in this culture? He married his cousin. He was an adulterer. He lied about his disability.

We are getting the candidates we deserve.

[Medusa]

42. Screw having caucuses and primaries altogether then

since the "superdelegates" know so much better than the will of the people, let's just bypass the "common folk" altogether and let them pick our delegates for us. :sarcasm:

[jlake]

44. You either did not read my post - or you lack in reading comprehension skills.

[Thickasabrick]

45. If the superdelegates vote against the people - I will not feel

guilty writing in Edwards. The Democratic party will cease to exist if that happens. If she wants to pull some kind of "backroom shenanigans" to make sure she is the nominee - then she will be responsible for the downfall of the party.

[meow mix]

46. me too

[jlake]

47. I think you misunderstand part of my point.

If the polls show that people have shifted away from Obama, it can be assumed that had people known the whole story they would not have supported him.
The SDs are a fail safe for a situation like this. They would essentially be going with the will of the people - recognizing that it has changed since many cast their votes.

[Thickasabrick]

57. The polls aren't showing that happening right now - if the polls change

and there is a huge majority that shifts - then we'll see. We still have a long way to go my friend. Have you seen a big shift in Obama supporters on this board because of this story? I don't think we'll see that happen nationally either.

[Leopolds Ghost]

118. This could be good for Democracy actually

The Democratic party is dying. It is absorbing all the RW elements
of media driven elite just as the Overton window strategy predicted.
Roves job was to drive Bush so far to the right that Reagan becomes
the new Center. Clinton did the same thing.

Maybe it will split up, like it had to (healthily) in the 1950s to
make way for Civil Rights and in the 1860s to make way for the
Reconstruction.

Just saying :shrug:

[Thickasabrick]

139. I absolutely agree with you - although I'm not familiar with the

Overton strategy - I'll look it up. I personally don't see a difference between McCain, Hillary and the current Blue Dogs.

[SoonerPride]

48. The General is 6 months from now and people will be tired of hearing about it

And say "who's gonna fix healthcare"

and that'll be Barack Obama, the next President

[jlake]

51. Sorry, but you don't seem to have a grasp on reality if you think

this has not destroyed Obama - or that the public would rather talk about issues than scandals.

[SoonerPride]

53. I think it's a 72 hour news cycle and people will be bored of this quickly

Obama put it to bed effectively and that's that.

You're dreaming if you think Obama is done. He'll be our nominee and that's that.

[jlake]

54. Okay, if you say so.

:cry: :cry: :cry: stupidity makes me cry.

[SoonerPride]

60. Then you're sad a lot

huh

[ExtraGriz]

68. scandals = $$$$$ n/t

[Shakespeare]

71. you....you....you're telling someone they don't have a grasp on reality?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[jlake]

80. Were you adding anything of substance or just the lame snark?

~ Hillary is 44! ~
~ Hillary is the Goddess of Peace! ~

[Goblinmonger]

114. And Hillary is teflon, right?

You don't think Whitewater isn't going to rear it's ugly head? And the deaths of her close friends? And her husband getting a blowjob in the oval office? And Hillary sticking by him throught that horrible injustice?

And before you tell me those are old news, remember, SO IS WRIGHT.

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[jbm]

55. if by some miracle Obama is the the Dem candidate..

He will still make history. He will be the first person to receive fewer votes in the general election than he did in the primary.

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[Goblinmonger]

116. I'm with you

Except I started with Kucinich and then went to Richardson.

And I'm a couple years older than you.

Otherwise we are like twins.

[amandabeech]

63. I don't think that either of our remaining candidates look too good tonight.

n/t

[anamandujano]

69. He Can't. That's right.

[bvar22]

70. You wanna see a REAL "stunning revelation ".

Let the Democratic Establishment try to overturn the Will of the People and install Hillary as the Democratic nominee.

A revelation will occur that will stun you.

[LisaL]

72. Are you gonna employ the same tactic in GE?

See how far that gets you?

[jlake]

73. If you read the OP, you would see that I am not advocating overthrowing the will of the people.

I am saying they will follow the people..... if they change their mind AFTER they have cast their vote.

[theboss]

117. Right. Because that's how elections work. We always get a do-over.

Bullshit.

[juajen]

128. Bullies only have the power that the bullied give them.

I ain't givin' you none, buddy! Be gone with your threats!

[Swamp Rat]

74. Sounds rather elitest to me.

We the People... remember that?

[jlake]

75. Yep. Did you read the OP?

If the opinion of people who have already voted changes, then the super delegates are necessary to adjust the nominee to match popular opinion.
Simple as that.

[Swamp Rat]

81. Yes. It was a terse opinion that comes across as elitist.

I just don't like people overruling my vote.

[JAbuchan08]

79. so Obama's pastor says something that the uber-patriots percieve as offensive

and that's reason enough to overturn the will of the Democratic voters, but Clinton's cheating triangulation and politics of convenience aren't? That's pretty rich.

On edit: I think that it's pretty sad that so many Democrats care what Republicans think of them.

[jlake]

83. Wright is part of Obama's campaign - they have a 20 year relationshp.

And if you read the OP you wouldn't snark with the rest of your comment.
I predict the polls will turn sharply against Obama - and the SDs will follow suit.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

86. He is not part of Obama's campaign...

unlike your affiliation with the opposite campaign.

[jlake]

88. Link:

Well, you're right. He resigned tonight. :eyes:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/03/14/rev-jeremiah-wright-leaves-obama-campaign.php

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wright_leaves_Obama_campaign.html

[HCE SuiGeneris]

90. Nice try. Part of his campaign? I think not. Try again, the 2 links

go to the same lame ass poster, Ben Smith. Maybe if you post 10 different sites, all pointing to the same weak assertion from Ben, you can claim 10 sources!

You are quite the little whirling dervish with all that spin...

[jlake]

94. So you don't trust the OBAMA CAMPAIGN that he no is no longer

part of the campaign? Are you REALLY questioning that he was?
That's like Bush claiming he didn't know Ken Lay - uh huh.

Does CNN work for you?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/?iref=hpmostpop

[JAbuchan08]

92. THis is a rather bad sentence formation, I don't understand what it means

"And if you read the OP you wouldn't snark with the rest of your comment"

First of all I read the entire OP and I think your idea is both anti-Democratic and stupid. I realize that the Superdelegates endorsing Clinton is within the "rules" (although, since when has Clinton cared about the rules?), but it is still an elitest dismissal of the Democratic vote.

Secondly what fuck do you mean "you wouldn't snark with the rest of your comment?" what "rest of my comment?" Was the full comment not snark? Was there some additional thought that I had forgotten to type? what the fuck are you saying? That "if" I read the OP (I did) I would be so devastated by your logic (I wasn't) I would be forced to retract the snark from "the rest of my comment" (which would presumably leave some remaining) where would that be?

I hope you haven't been put off by my snark, oh, wait I don't care.

[JAbuchan08]

82. I can feel it coming

the day I say that I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. We'll see what happens after the convention, but I can feel it coming closer every day.

[grantcart]

84. The reason the super delegates are around is to give their opinion on the campaign

They are doing their job already.

[jlake]

85. Yep. Hilly has a huge lead.... they know a winner when they see her!

[SoonerPride]

91. Delusional as usual

We'll see who wins the party nod.

[grantcart]

93. Well again you just have zero grasp of the facts

1)Since Feb 5th 80% of the superdelegates that have announced their endorsement have gone to Obama

2)Hillary's huge lead has gone from 97 to 36 - On Monday she will lose another

3) A number of Superdelegates have switched all from Hillary to Obama

4) Obama leads in endorsements by superdelegates who are Senators and Govenors (15-13 and 11-10) Despite the fact that the Clintons have had decades to build relations with them.

5)The only reason that Hillary has any lead at all is that New York has a huge chunk of superdelegates 41. Once she sees slippage there the rest will collapse.

6)Even within the superdelegate numbers there is evidence that Hillary's endorsers are very very thin.

Take for example the curious case of Sen Boxer who has been a close intimate friend of the Clintons, and is even related by marriage to Hillary. She has said that she will vote for her but refuses to publicly endorse her, campaign for her, or advance her candidacy in any way.

[AtomicKitten]

95. Can't say going nuclear is a terribly great idea, but Hilly's out of options.

Good. When Barack bats this aside, no, when he uses it as a platform to point to the old politics vs. the new, I say it's time for Ms. Flick to sit down. She's being aided and abetted by the GOP. So, in my view, if this shit doesn't work, it's time for her to accept the second prize canned ham and go home. Barack has a general election to wage.

[slick8790]

97. I thought you were leaving. n/t

[jlake]

99. I came back to say hi to you!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

[slick8790]

100. Well, hello.

Just sayin', you made a pretty big show about leaving, and about how this place is toxic to the 20% of people here who are hillary supporters.

[Goblinmonger]

101. Holy shit

I understand being behind your candidate. I understand being really behind your candidate to the point that you are against a fellow Dem.

I don't understand pushing right wing talking points. This is a non-issue. It only becomes an issue because the Repugs push it. Do Hillary's supporters really need to aid in the catapulting of this idiotic propaganda?

[jlake]

106. How are the super delegates a right wing talking point?

They are a procedure within the Democratic Party.

[Goblinmonger]

121. Pastorgate is the RW talking point

Try to keep up.

[jlake]

123. No, it's really not. It goes to Obama's character (or lack thereof)

Rev. Wright is an extreme racist and anti-semite.
I will not tolerate his hateful screeds and excuse Obama on this.

[Goblinmonger]

135. Geraldine Ferraro n/t

[DrFunkenstein]

102. jlake, your comments are always so amusing.

This is about the 13,000,000th scenario you've tried to cook up to rationalize giving Clinton the nomination. That would make you zero for 13,000,000. Maybe you should try another line.

[jlake]

109. I know it's hard for you to come to terms with all of this.

:hug: We will welcome you to team Hilly!

[rodeodance]

143. It takes the right ingredients --and jlake has them

[Justice Is Comin]

105. How right you are.

Supporting him is like walking behind a manure spreader. Shit is going to hit you no matter where you stand.

The supers are not that stupid that they would bungle another election and nominate a trainee with a past that will get ripped like a lion tearing into a jackelope.

Oh, and it's a primary not a nationwide trip to your local school for coffee.

I love the drip...drip...drip... drip...of the path to oblivion.

[undeterred]

107. Yeah, this is a lot worse than endorsing McCain.

:sarcasm:

You Hillary people.

[jlake]

112. I'm praying for you.

:hug:
Team Hilly will welcome you with open arms.

[undeterred]

126. Like I want a monster welcoming me with open arms.

:hi:

[Megahurtz]

110. You're dreamin' Dude!

[oasis]

111. No way Obama can lie his way out of this one. (eom)

[SoonerPride]

113. how many threads you gonna post that in?

plonk for you

[oasis]

134. Provide any link where I've posted it before or

STFU.

[oasis]

136. Post #134 awaits your answer.

:eyes:

[superduperfarleft]

130. "They are there to make sure that the people do not make a disastrous decision"

Ahh democracy. A wonderful thing. :eyes:

[quakerboy]

131. Which is why

he is up 2 supers and she is down 2, since this began?

On edit... You dont believe he has or can effectively respond to this. Of course, you have made it abundantly clear that you would think that a parking ticket would clearly disqualify him, were he to get one, and that he couldnt possibly respond effectively to that either. so your opinion has little relevance to anything.

[DebJ]

132. pastorgate will prove Obama the better candidate.

[Laelth]

133. No way. SDs will still have to support Obama.

As I argued in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5086536&mesg_id=5086536

"We, the Democratic Party, cannot afford to alienate our most loyal voting block. If the super-delegates choose HRC at the Convention, they will, in effect, be saying to the African-American community that a black man, even one who has more pledged delegates and is winning the race for the nomination, is still not good enough to be President of the United States. We simply can not do that unless we seek the obliteration of our Party. For better or for worse, Barack Obama must be our nominee, and I think our super-delegates know it.

I think it's for the better, personally, but there's no point in debating it. We'd be better off figuring out how to insure an Obama victory in November."

-Laelth

[Kittycat]

149. He even picked up a new SD yesterday - in the midst of all this.

:)

[Name removed]

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[jlake]

138. You either forgot the sarcasm tag or you're nuts.

Explain?

[jlake]

150. Looking at the polls ... something tells me Obama is finished.

[loveangelc]

151. Obama is not "finished."

I saw this as a huge problem originally. however, he has responded to the controversy and I would be surprised if anyone besides hannity and colmes and fox news is STILL talking about this by this time next week.

[jlake]

153. I don't think he handled it well. He lied and said that he never saw the Rev.

give hateful sermons.... now video is about to surface of him clapping in response to these very sermons.... all credibility will be gone.

[Emit]

152. Define the "A stunning revelation"

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this post.

[jlake]

154. It could be anything. In this case it is that Obama is the member of a

racist church far out of the mainstream - that is also in violation of IRS rules.

[Emit]

155. Obama is the member of a racist church?

What documentation do you have that proves the church in question is 'racist and far out of the mainstream'?

[ecdab]

157. Some folks here seem to think that Obama being

black and having ties to black culture is a stunning revelation that he should have been "vetted" for prior to him being allowed to run for President; that the Super Delegates should stand up and stop anybody that has ties to a culture other than bland middle America. They think that people like pastor Wright - people that lived through the heart of the civil rights movement and saw all of the ugliness - should forget what has happened in this country and the lingering racism that still exits in it - who needs to hear from some uppity black man. It makes some people uncomfortable to see it addressed, they wish he would just shut his mouth. Change isn't about comfort. Change isn't about some politically correct form of Patriotism that calls people down for addressing the wrongs of this country - past and present. Comfort and fake patriotism work against change. I'm saddened to see some people here at DU embrace those things.

[avrdream]

158. K&R!

:kick: