For all those who believe Obama "didn't know" How do you explain this??????:

[saracat]

Disinvitation by Obama Is Criticized

CHICAGO, March 5 — The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., senior pastor of the popular Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and spiritual mentor to Senator Barack Obama, thought he knew what he would be doing on Feb. 10, the day of Senator Obama’s presidential announcement.
After all, back in January, Mr. Obama had asked Mr. Wright if he would begin the event by delivering a public invocation.

But Mr. Wright said Mr. Obama called him the night before the Feb. 10 announcement and rescinded the invitation to give the invocation.

“Fifteen minutes before Shabbos I get a call from Barack,” Mr. Wright said in an interview on Monday, recalling that he was at an interfaith conference at the time. “One of his members had talked him into uninviting me,” Mr. Wright said, referring to Mr. Obama’s campaign advisers.

Some black leaders are questioning Mr. Obama’s decision to distance his campaign from Mr. Wright because of the campaign’s apparent fear of criticism over Mr. Wright’s teachings, which some say are overly Afrocentric to the point of excluding whites.


So, if Obama cancelled Wright appearing with him when he
announced he was running for President, he must have known
how 'controversial' Wright is.

He knew according to this....


According to the pastor, Mr. Obama then told him, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.”



Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/us/politics/06obama.h...

[SoonerPride]

1. yawn

moving on

[saracat]

4. Because you can't defend it.Obama "lied" tonight.

[Colobo]

6. He answered the questions about Rev. Wright. It's over.

He will be the nominee. Let's unite.

[rodeodance]

110. It has only begin sweetie.

[DemVet]

123. Agreed. This is trouble....BIG trouble. n/t

[JoFerret]

129. It ain't so. We may wish

but not so.

[DemBones DemBones]

144. It's over in that BO is over, stick a fork in him, he's done.

He's a rookie politician who should have distanced himself from Wright years ago, but he didn't, so his goose is cooked, he's hoist with his own petard, he's going down the drain, and numerous other cliches.

I sympathize with your loss of a candidate you really supported but that happens a lot in politics. I want Dennis Kucinich to be president but it's not happening and probably never will because the GOP choose the Dems who get media attention through their members who own the media.

Throw your support behind Clinton so we don't wind up with McCain as president. Unite behind her.

If Obama withdrew gracefully now, and stayed away from Wright, he could have a shot again in 2012 and he'll only be 54. If he doesn't, it's only going to get worse. Don't kid yourself that they don't have anything else on Obama. They wouldn't use all their ammo at once.

[SoonerPride]

7. um, wrong

But you're gonna spin it anyway you want, so why bother?

Hillary has lost.

Deal with that.

[ClericJohnPreston]

87. I must have missed that

has there been an Obama coronation? In the world of politics, the time between now and the convention is a lifetime. A lifetime for more Obama faux pas, which will blissfully sail over the collective UNCONSCIOUS of the Ombamination. However, fortunately, there are still the sane among us, like saracat and the rest of us populist loving left-wing Democrats who know a sellout when we see it.

[JoFerret]

125. It's over.

Too bad we lost Edwards along the way.
Am I glad he did not endorse anyone. Good move John.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. You're so frustrated Sara. You have been for the last 48 hours....

make yourself some tea and call it a night

[Kittycat]

19. It's been a lot longer than 48 hours...

Wasn't saracat an original JE supporter? I have nothing against them (I supported JE as close second), but I think I remember a lot of vitriol spewing and hatred even back then. If I'm wrong about whom I'm thinking of, I do stand corrected.

ETA: I agree with the cup of tea. Always relaxing, I might have one here in a minute :)

[Joe the Revelator]

22. I have water in pot as we speak.

[ClericJohnPreston]

82. Goes well

with the Kool-Aid and muffins, huh?

[Kittycat]

88. I prefer bagels or scones.

never really like kool-aid.

[ClericJohnPreston]

90. Oh

but you reek of it.

[chimpymustgo]

135. Cleric, have you not joined the Church of Obamatology? Have you not taken Obama as your personal

savior?

Come one...just take a sip...

[question everything]

137. So you guys are expets on Kool-Aid

who would have thought?

:sarcasm:

[niceypoo]

38. When you can't refute someone on facts, attack them personally...

It's a well known logical fallacy: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html">The Fallacy of Ad Hominem

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bilgewaterbill]

48. A glass of Merlot does wonders as well.

[americanstranger]

25. Give it up.

The only people still wanting a controversy over this are you and Sean Hannity.

Do you really want to keep that company? I'd be embarrassed to align myself with that blockhead, personally.

- as

[ClericJohnPreston]

84. Actually

anyone with a passing interest in TRUTH and lies would want to know. Thus, that completely excludes Obamites, impervious to rationality and reason.

[Kittycat]

89. Speaking of truth and transparency... Tax Returns? Library Donor Lists? Earmarks? Papers?

That's what I thought :shrug:

[ClericJohnPreston]

91. I'm an Edwards supporter genius

so take your Obamite reflexive, "but Hillary did it" mantra somewhere else.

[Kittycat]

104. But you clearly have been

supporting HRC, as seen by your anti-Obama rhetoric.

[Two Americas]

116. I have to chuckle at that

"You clearly must be supporting Clinton...."

The evidence for that?

"...you criticize Obama."

For us or against us.

[americanstranger]

94. If you're really a cleric,

I'll expect you to drop the 'obamites' and address me like a human being who happens to favor a different candidate than you.

Hell, even if you're not a cleric. Drop the ad hominems and we'll talk.

This is a courtesy I extend to all Clinton supporters. I expect no less from you.

Thanks.

- as

[ClericJohnPreston]

101. Sorry pal

but you have no power or sway over me. You are what you are and I don't believe I was answering YOU, unless you are kittycat and thus an alter ego.

Wear your legacy as a cultish kool-aid drinking lemming proudly. By the way, I'm so very happy to hear how you treat Hillbots. I'm an Edwards supporter,you know, those left wingers that represent the REAL Democratic Party, so I don't give a darn what you do with Hillary's folk, got it?

[americanstranger]

102. Oh. Okay.

You people crack me up.

I was an Edwards supporter, too. I even voted for him in the NY primary after he had dropped out of the race. As far as I'm concerned, he was the guy I would have preferred because he talked about the issues I cared about.

That was taken away from me, and I didn't commit to either candidate until I saw something positive from one or the other. Instead, I saw how tragi-comically inept the Clinton campaign was and I could smell the flop-sweat all the way from Arkansas. I thought her ambition was fucking embarrassing and her negatives way outweighed any positives she may ever have had.

So I moved to Obama. Not the manner of choice I wanted to make, but hey. If the lesser of two evils is what you get, that's what you go with.

So you just go right ahead and be a righteous asshole about how you supported the right guy and that somehow makes you better than us kool-aid drinking lemmings. Makes you no less of an asshole, though.

Call me something I'm not, and I'll call you exactly what you are. Fair enough?

- as

[ClericJohnPreston]

103. Sticks and stones, AS, sticks and stones...

Thats right Obamite, I have my own mind and am impervious to the entreaties of Kool-Aid drinking masses. Someone better be left to pick up the pieces of a tattered Party after the two corporate spoilers do their dirty work.

Maybe then, we will be able to evict you right-wing interlopers who call yourself "moderate" Democrats back to the Stone Age, and restore the left-wing politics necessary to erase the stench of conservatism.

Sorry, but the history of your selection process is your cross to bear. I couldn't care less. The fact you get profane is so predictable Obamaton, so very predictable.

[americanstranger]

106. Yo, if the shoe fits, I say.

Fits you like a glove. Later.

- as

[Danger Mouse]

108. arrogance and condescencion are rarely attractive.

:thumbsdown:

[ClericJohnPreston]

119. Kool Aid drinking lemmings

are disgusting. The combination of naivete and no self-awareness is dangerous and catastrophic.

[Danger Mouse]

who do you classify as kool aid drinking lemmings?

every single person who supports Barack Obama?

[JoFerret]

126. Love is blind.

.

[Bake]

120. And ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC ...

And the blogs, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

Bake

[walldude]

58. OMG! A politician lied!! CALL THE MEDIA!!!

SEND OUT THE ALARMS!! CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT!! A POLITICIAN LIED!!! I other news the Earth is round, and revolves around the sun.



I'm sure St Hillary has yet to speak the dreaded political lie :eyes:

[JackORoses]

62. No, he didn't

You constantly speak without even looking into things.

When Obama began preparing for his Presidential run last year, he did a bunch of self-vetting.
His researchers uncovered these statements by Wright and the Obama campaign released a statement denouncing them.
This is also why he began distancing himself from Wright.

[rodeodance]

114. makes him look foolish --lack of judgment for waiting till media got on his tail.

[JoFerret]

127. Foolish, and untrustworthy

I am not saying he is deceitful that is how it will be played.
He cannot win in November with the GOP having these WMD.

[zabet]

2. K and R

[tabatha]

3. kind of rough is different from the

clips recently highlighted.

[saracat]

8. Obama "knew" there was a "problem". I is obvious.

[SoonerPride]

10. But no proof he "lied" about the most incendiary stuff.

Hillary has lost.

[saracat]

18. What nonsense.

if Barack wins, the Democratic party has lost.This is really damaging in the GE.And Gingrich spun it to attack all Dems.Thanks a lot Barack. The down ticket appreciates your instance on hanging with a racist , white hating preacher. :sarcasm:

[SoonerPride]

31. Yeahy, it is nonsense. Sweetie, there's bigger fish to fry. Like our economy.

This sideshow ain't nothing to get all steamed about.

You leave the thinking to us adults and you run along and play now.

[niceypoo]

47. "This sideshow ain't nothing to get all steamed about"

Unless it involves Hillary.....

Love the hypocracy!

[qnr]

59. Ah. Apparently you haven't been listening to the people at the supermarket. S'ok with me

though, because I have.

[JohnnyLib2]

68. Me, too, and at my supermarket they don't like Democrats,

haven't liked Hillary for years, don't trust Obama whatsoever, and don't mention McCain. I think the whole damn election is up for grabs at this point. False confidence about either of our candidate's chances seems plain foolish. :shrug:

[PseudoIntellect]

57. Check the McCain vs. Dem polls. BHO does better than HRC in most of them.

[JackORoses]

67. You are so wrong.

When Obama wins, we all win.
Even you.

Aren't you the slightest bit ashamed that you have stooped to promoting racial division in the service of Hillary?

I think John Edwards would be disappointed.

[ExtraGriz]

64. of course he knew sara...tried to hide it

just like today, he admitted that rezko had a bigger role in his political fundraising than what was admitted....$250,000 more than before, but yet no favors were exchanged.

[democrattotheend]

5. He probably knew by then

He said he found out when he began running for president, which is entirely believable to me. Generally when candidates take the initial steps to start running, they hire a research firm to do self-research on any potential skeletons that might come out of their closets. I would guess that that is when Obama found out about these statements from Wright. Given that these few sermons are the only ones out of hundreds that have surfaced (at least so far), it is pretty believable that Obama might not have been aware of them before that.

[saracat]

14. It isn't belivable in the least.It is about as believable that he didn't "know that " Rezko didn't

have a good reputaion when all Chicago "knew". It is obvious these sermons took place down through the years and they were controversial enough that they would have been mentioned.Shoot , wright was proud enough to be "selling" them.That was how they surfaced.

[moxie_1]

15. If you read his book, you can see that he was familiar with Wright's ideas were even then. n/t

[JimGinPA]

17. Don't Try To Confuse Them With A Reasonable Explaination...

Too much Hilly Luv happening.

[rodeodance]

111. What is really amazing that BO did not "deal' with this issure before. Poor judgment on his part.

[rodeodance]

113. where this is smoke there fire. poor judgment on BO to let it hang out there.

[JoFerret]

131. And he started THINKING about running when?

Right from his start as senator certainly. Most commentators seem to use that as the explanation for his caution in Washington.

[Quixote1818]

11. I don't care if he did know. I don't have a problem with Wright. nt

[uponit7771]

Obama never said that, you're OP premise is false to say the least

[K Gardner]

12. Its been thoroughly explained THREE TIMES tonight by Obama himself. Watch TV much or

do you just like to stir up shit and post flamebait without doing any type of research or reading?

You've come a long way from the Edwards supporter I once enjoyed reading. Pity.

[uponit7771]

13. I'm glad we can only do 3 Top Post's, some folks is gettin silly

[AZBlue]

21. Yeah, I agree with you.

It is a pity - such hate and vitriol constantly. Unfortunately that has taken over so many lately.

[saracat]

23. I watched. He didn't explain well at all. He "knew" about these ideas of Wrights and did nothing to

distance himself.It isn't true that he didn't know.Wright himself said Obama would have to distance himself from Wright if he wanted to win. Barack knew all this.
Andf I just posted "research that proves Obam "knew" there was a "problem". But you don't like the evidence. The GOP will like it just fine!

[LowerManhattanite]

35. “The GOP will like it just fine!”

A kindred spirit found.

Sad, that.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

73. She's like many of the privileged white people who feel oppressed by racist black people.

[emilyg]

98. He explained it. I don't believe him.

[jmg257]

16. Obama made it VERY clear that Wright had said some things he didn't agree with when he started his

campaign and Obama did "renounce" those comments HE KNEW ABOUT. He also said he is now hearing other things (that have been getting all the air time) for the 1st time. AND he specifically renounces those too.

I JUST watched this for the 3rd time on CNN - and he made it a point to be very clear about this "discrepency" when he started campaigning - and it ain't one.

Not all that hard to understand.

[woolldog]

20. I think Obama has said

that he started seeing reports about some of the things Wright about the time he launched his presidential bid. Not sure of the timing though.

People will be pouring over all his sermons now. You can guarantee that.

[jmg257]

49. Yep - guy on CNN said "he should be given the benefit of the doubt until they check it out".

[theboss]

24. Wright told everyone he would be a problem months ago

Everyone knows that Wright is controversial.

It's the specific quotes that he says he didn't know about.

He is parsing? Sure.

You are also attacking his friend of 20 years.

Frankly, if I was Obama this would be my statement.

"You want me to attack my friend and spiritual mentor. Fuck you.

Thank you and God bless America."

[JohnnyLib2]

34. Now, THAT would be refreshing politics! LOL

:evilgrin:

[theboss]

46. I'm tired of this "who is purer than pure" horseshit

The man is a politician from Chicago. Of course, he has some sketchy friends.

You know what? I'm an Ivy Leaguer too. And I cam from a middle class family with sketchy friends and relatives all over the place. Drugs. Alcohol. Jail time. A few folks who are a little less than broad-minded when it comes to race. Criminal behavior. I spend Christmas Eve with all of this. And I am not running away from it for anyone. Do I engage in it myself? Do I criticize it when necessary? Yes. Do I say I don't want it around me? Yes. But these are my people.

So, blow me, America.

[Hoof Hearted]

78. Obama was the one playing holier than thou. Now he's Done.

[golddigger]

141. Yep, this is not over my a long shot. Firing up those 527's as we speak.

[mmonk]

50. .

:rofl:

[boppers]

53. "......Thank you and God bless America."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

76. He might as well say it, because this is the Dean Scream in surround sound.

It's O-vah.

[JackORoses]

83. except Dean actually did scream, Obama has nothing to do with what Wright said

This smear is O-vah. Much like Hillary's Presidential hopes.
Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

[OhioBlue]

26. that is consistent with what Obama said tonight

Obama said he never heard some of the statements that are getting airplay. he never said that he didn't hear the Pastor say controversial things.

why are you acting like Sean Hannity and trying to imply something that isn't there?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. Obama saying tonight that he never heard Rev Wright bigory in church is a stretch of credulity

[jenmito]

33. Tamron Hall on MSNBC said SHE went to that church sometimes and she never heard Wright say anything

like what she saw/heard in those videos.

[Hoof Hearted]

79. Did she go there for 20 years and have some kids baptized there?

Yeah.

[rodeodance]

112. And do yah suppose that BO never had a discussion in 20 yrs with other churchmembers?

[Umbram]

28. It goes like this - they are called question marks. One is usually sufficient. (nt)

[jgraz]

30. Really????//////????

[Umbram]

36. You must FOCUS, the '?' is powerful - do NOT give in. Just ONE! (nt)

[jgraz]

39. OK!!!!!!11111oneoneone11!

[Umbram]

44. Now you are the master, and I the student. *bows* ? Oops. !

[ProSense]

29. Let me try:

you're desperate, and Hillary is still losing!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. and your ugly

[Umbram]

40. Three words . . . only two of them are used correctly. Keep trying!(nt)

[LittleClarkie]

41. Your mama never loved you

and she sews socks that smell.

[ProSense]

75. That's pretty silly, and

desperate!

[loveangelc]

70. um, do you believe it is an issue yet?

[ProSense]

77. No, it's a media driven frenzy to distract. n/t

[oasis]

This is far from over. A thorough examination is at hand. (eom)

[jgraz]

42. It's already over. Just like the campaign.

[AZBlue]

37. He's already said it was brought to his attention when he first began campaigning.

So what's your point??

[AtomicKitten]

65. it's an attempted clusterfuck in progress

Obama is doing everything right in dealing with this. The second part of his interview on Anderson Cooper was great. He talked about race and religion and politics, really creating an opportunity out of this to talk about his vision for America. The guy is a deft politician as it turns out. I love watching him work.

:hi:

[rodeodance]

130. Poor judgement on his part -that he did not deal with this issue then

[TacticalPeek]

43. Wright and Obama have planned this all along.

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5083526&mesg_id=5083526


He just waited too long. He never should have appointed him to his advisory committee knowing what Wright had said on the record. Now Obama is reduced to blowing smoke about knowing about 'a few' of the remarks early and more later, not even specifying what was tolerable enough to put him on the committee. Then he is reduced to learning from Fox (his words) about the 9/11 quote etc., and expects that to fly against the coming media feeding frenzy.

Not a good plan.

[oasis]

61. Wright needed to get part of those fat campaign donations by being on the committee.

That likely was his price for "laying low".

[Hepburn]

45. You used to be one of the best on the boards....

...and I used to look for your posts.

Not anymore. Please...quit while you are still very admired.

[Whisp]

51. put a sock in it, saracat.

[Hoof Hearted]

72. Thoughtful, meaningful posts like this really serve to reinforce the perception of

the shallow, blind and uninformed Obama devotee.

[Whisp]

96. love your laughing well manicured warmonger pic. nt

[Jamastiene]

105. O'Reilly? Is that you?

[Lucinda]

52. Of course he knew.

[bigbrother05]

55. You people are relentless

Today it was get this out in the open Obama needs to address this now, if he doesn't the GOP win.
Now he has addressed it, but it is all a lie, what do you want him to do now, because you Hillary folks seem to have all the answers.
Do you want him to put on his American Flag Pin, sing God Bless America in Mime makeup with his hand over his heart, and shuffle off to Buffalo for the big finish.

[Teaser]

56. Ah, it sounds like a fun party. doesn't bother me.

I hope they was some dead sexies there.

[NastyRiffraff]

60. So what does this mean, Obama supporters?

"You can get kind of rough in the sermons.."

It begs credulity that Obama knew NOTHING about some of the things Wright said. He may or may not be telling the literal truth when he said he'd heard none of the statements that are coming out right now. But clearly, he knew, that Wright could get "kind of rough." We may not have heard the worst of it.

Obama is either lying, or being disingenuous.

[americanstranger]

66. It means some people just won't let it go.

Maybe because they see it as their last chance to dirty up Obama before Clinton has to close up shop.

- as

[NastyRiffraff]

100. This is NOT about Clinton

Please try not to change the subject. It's about the FACT that Obama has either lied or is spinning wildly.

[Two Americas]

118. no, no

Don't you see NastyRiffraff?

If you say anything remotely negative about Obama, then you must be supporting Clinton. Don't try to deny it. They are on to you. They will hunt you down and work on you until you are converted.

It is amazing that so many Obama supprters are beating up and alienating Edwards supporters. They don't seem to understand that we don't have a horse in this race and could just possibly be looking out for what is best for the party. It WILL be Obama, you WILL get on board, you WILL say nothing even vaguely negative, or you will be seen as the enemy. Just imagine how that will play in the general.

[LWolf]

134. Of course, that leaves out all those like me

who aren't campaigning or voting for Clinton and still recognize behavior, habits, and values unacceptable in a candidate when we see them.

[fedupinBushcountry]

63. I am so glad I voted for Obama

and do not act like you have been for the past months, hatred is beaming out of you. Shame on you.

[JohnnyLib2]

69. Stay strong, Saracat.

Once again, the messenger is being shot. You are one messenger who can take it. :thumbsup:

[DemGa]

71. Obama knows full well the tenor and content of Wright's message

You'd have to be naive to believe otherwise.

[Hoof Hearted]

74. It's pretty simple, really Saracat, this is who you are dealing with --->

[golddigger]

140. Lmao...Friggin perfect!

:rofl:

[Breeze54]

80. I can understand him not wanting controversey at the annoucement and

although some of what Wright said five years ago is truth, I still
am wondering now, why there is so much silence from Obama about this.

I think it's all gotten out of hand.... at least on DU GD-P it has.

Wright has stated some things that many experts against the Iraq war have stated. :shrug:

So what?

I hope Obama puts a lid on this now before the vileness of GD-P spills onto the streets.

Do you think Obama will come to DU and smooth the waters for all of us members here?

At any rate, good find there, saracat.

[DerekJ]

81. Saracat, I have a question for you..

Do you believe that Obama actually believes in the statements in those videos? Or are you arguing that those statements will hurt him in the GE, so he should step down?

[LadyVT]

85. You can't convince infatuated people of the obvious.

[donheld]

95. That statement works both ways.

[GoldieAZ49]

86. there was an article in the NYT back in April of 07 that had Wright and Obama

agreeing that if his campaign took off he would have to distance himself from the church

They knew then that it would be a problem

Chris Matthews quoted from it tonight

[cooolandrew]

92. OH look new york times highly parisan to HRC it's gotta be true PLEASE.

[milkyway]

93. He said tonight that he had heard some controversial comments, but not the incendiary

comments being shown today.

[emilyg]

97. He knew. He lied.

[Steely_Dan]

99. Yep...

I posted very much the same thing in another thread.

-P

[Skip Intro]

107. He's telling his own pastor to use the back door.

[KoKo]

133. and....folks said Hillary didn't denounce Ferraro enough...so she's guilty

of racism by association.... What a mess...

[robbedvoter]

109. "I wasn't aware I voted no...Let the record show I intended to vote yes"

[DearAbby]

115. As I was standing at the gas pump

gassing up the car, after going to the grocery store. I looked over to see a car with a "Support the Troops" Yellow Ribbon. I thought to myself >>> HOW EXTREMELY IMPORTANT Pastorgate was!<<<

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

117. nytimes--march 5. -interesing

[mattclearing]

121. Obama didn't say he didn't know.

People must have shit stuck in their ears. He said he knew, but didn't want to make an issue out of it because Wright was retiring.

He said that he wasn't present, basically that he wouldn't have sat there and listened to a man denigrate America to his face. That is all.

[usrbs]

128. then why is Wright on Bo's committee?

[mattclearing]

132. You must not be paying attention, because he isn't anymore. n/t

[Dinger]

122. Is It Me, Or Is This Story Picking Up Steam?

It's been here for a while after all.

[saltpoint]

124. You are as fierce defending your own choice in Democrats as you are in

smearing others' choice in Democrats, saracat.

You cherry-pick your points to favor your bias but it doesn't translate very well to mature analysis.

Despite numerous opportunities I have yet to see you offer an explanation for the Clintons' race-baiting tactics by Billy Shaheen, Geraldine Gerraro, and of course the Big Dog himself.

[BlackVelvet04]

136. Of course Obama lied.....

he couldn't possibly have not know what Wright was preaching.

[ProgressIn2008]

138. Oh fer crying out loud - Wright's comments don't bother me but of course he lied

Obama lied through his teeth. He's a self-interested politician intent who'll do anything to get to the White House. Why would one expect otherwise?

[anonymous171]

139. He knows how controversial that is. That's good, it means that he doesn't hate america.

You can like the person but not their beliefs. Or do you not have any republican friends or friends of differing religions?

[Milo_Bloom]

142. Wow, this is dumb even for this OP

First, Obama has said that he heard about these comments at the very start of his campaign, so the overall premise of the post is untrue.


Second, knowing someone traditionally spits out firey rhetoric and knowing SPECIFIC divisive comments are two completely different things.

The problem here is with certain very specific comments, not firey rhetoric in general.


But don't let facts get in the way... that would be something new.

[blm]

143. Do you think the Clintons didn't KNOW that Jackson Stephens brought BCCI into this country when

he was handed that report after taking office?

[DemBones DemBones]

145. "It Hurts to Lose the One You Love" so naturally

Obama supporters want this to be over, and nothing else to come out. They want him to win and can't accept that he's toast now.

Somebody should have vetted Obama. I guess that's really up to campaign staff and supporters.

His campaign chair should have looked into all this long ago -- Obama has been in the race for two years or more.

[texshelters]

146. Here's what I feel about the "scandal"

Check out my post to get the real scoop of the day"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5102027&mesg_id=5102027

Tex Shelters