Obama Should Drop Out Now

[CatnHat]

For the good of the democratic party. Obama can longer claim he is the hope and change candidate. From all the feedback, and more investigating to come, not only with the "tapes" but with Rezko, the democratic party cannot survive another go around like this. The heart and soul of Obama's campaign is destroyed. The guy has nothing but more of the same "politics". If Obama was vetted properly from the beginning, none of this would be going on right now. Now that the truth is out, Obama should unite the party by dropping out, for the sake of everyone.

[dkf]

1. In your dreams...

[CatnHat]

4. It would be a nightmare

for the party if he stayed in. Don't you care? You are guaranteeing a win for McCain.

[dkf]

7. I consider Clinton the nightmare. She already is one.

[pokercat999]

49. I think there's something besides a cat in your hat. nt

[here_is_to_hope]

74. *snicker!* n/t

[roguevalley]

83. we never did have the racist vote. we're running a woman and a

black man. so we have nothing to lose and by the by... I hear that Obama is ahead. Amazing how a man who can't win can break records all over america in the caucuses and primaries by bringing new people in and outraising Clinton financially nearly 2-1. Yeah, I can see how he can't win.

[casus belli]

91. I can't really subscribe to magic 8-ball politics. n/t

[Guava Jelly]

2. Maybe Clinton should show him how to drop out?

She is the experience candidate..

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. That's what a leader would do.

[mattclearing]

3. Hillary first. n/t

[CatnHat]

14. Hillary never claimed

to be savior of the party. Obama's camp is in the shit hole; and the shit getting deeper. Do you want to spend the next few months defending this? Be my guest, but in the end, Obama will lose the nomination, and then you can explain to the rest of us why. Let me guess, it's all Clinton's fault. :sarcasm:

[mattclearing]

21. Defending what?

What is it that you think Obama should be so ashamed of? People making a big deal out of hand-picked quotes out of a lifetime of sermons from the priest at his church? That's the best people can pin on him and you think dude should drop out?

George W. Bush won election with a very real insider trading scandal, appearances that he made himself at Bob Jones University, and all kinds of other ridiculous statements that he made himself, and you think Obama should pack it in because of this nothing of a nothing, pathetic excuse for a scandal?

Give me a fucking break.

[Voice for Peace]

50. The thing is, the shit just isn't very deep in Obama's case. He has no problem with transparency

but there is a serious question about how deep the Clinton's is, and I am afraid it's pretty deep, otherwise why aren't they more forthcoming with tax statements and other requested records. What is hiding there under the righteous veneer?

[earthlover]

51. Obama never claimed to be the saviour of the Party either....you put words in his mouth

[denem]

5. HRC has lost

give it up.

[ProSense]

6. Hillary is losing! The loser should drop out! Her campaign is damaged! n/t

[gaiilonfong]

12. WAIT till they start vetting Hillary's Rezko problems

The Clintons got money from Rezko co-defendents
Wait till we see all the Saudi money Bill made on his tax returns


etc
etc

[greyghost]

58. You haven't seen damage. LOL!

[Bake]

64. Let's see the polls in a week or two

After the Wright Stuff has been hammered into the national consciousness day after day. Let's see the polls then.

Bake

[greyghost]

66. It won't take two weeks.

[Bake]

67. Exactly.

Bake

[Texas Hill Country]

69. BINGO... every battleground state now gone. done. over.

[JoFerret]

85. And whatever happens

This will all be back big time in October.

[jackson_dem]

8. Obama cares only about Obama. He will lead us to four years of McCain all for his ambition

[ProSense]

18. Hillary will not lead, isn't leading and hasn't show leadership. Obama will be the nominee

and he will unite the country, something Hillary has no capacity to do.

[jackson_dem]

24. ProSense what makes you think Obama is the second George Washington?

Only Washington could unite us.

[laugle]

93. That's exactly what I'm

thinking. In their zeal to get the nomination for Obama, some have completely forgotten about the real prize; WINNING AND SAVING THIS COUNTRY!!!

We have to see what the fallout will be............

[thunder rising]

9. Well I guess the preacher issue is gone ... back to Rezco!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

46. The old Hillary slumlord shtick. She's tried that one - didn't work.

[Perry Logan]

10. Obamites: imagine hearing this message every God-damned day. Now you know how Hillary people feel.

[earthlover]

53. It's not too late for you Hillary folk to switch sides....

[greyghost]

59. Amen. They better get used to it, because this isn't going away.

[Recursion]

65. "imagine"? We do hear this every day

I don't know which GDP you have been reading, but there are constantly Clinton supporters here calling on him to drop out.

[Texas Hill Country]

70. If he is the nominee, the 527's will make sure of that.

[PseudoIntellect]

87. Sure, it's unfortunate, but there's a difference between asking the front-runner to drop out

and asking the person who is obviously the underdog to drop out.

[Drachasor]

88. Obama would also have to be losing for us to appreciate your position fully

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Most people don't even know who Wright and Rezko are

Hit the streets and ask people if they know about Jeremiah Wright and Rezko. I bet over 90% look at you like your crazy. It's hard for this news to hurt Obama overall because it doesn't directly involve him. It's guilt by association. The basic premise of these arguments is that Obama is bad because some people around him are "bad." Unless Obama says god damn America himself or he is directly involved in criminal activity it's a wash.

[CatnHat]

16. Dream on. . .

after this weekend, Rezko and Preacher "Wrong" will be household words.

[ProSense]

19. Dream on! In the NY area people are still reeling from Spitzer! n/t

[earthlover]

54. NCAA brackets more talked about I bet

[Cali_Democrat]

20. I've got news for you

most people aren't political junkies. They don't follow every story like you or me. It's possible more people will be aware, but the vast majority of people really won't know about it. To say they will be household names is absurd. Monica Lewinsky, now thats a household name because it directly involved Clinton.

[jackson_dem]

25. Nobody knew who Willie Horton was either when Gore used him in the 88' primaries

What happened when the rethugs ran a Horton ad in the general election?

[Cali_Democrat]

38. Apples and Oranges my friend

Willie Horton was a direct result of the weekend furlough program that Dukakis supported. Willie Horton committed a crime and it was a direct result of Dukakis' support for that policy. Wright has committed no crime and what he said has nothing to do with Obama. They are his own political views. You can say that Obama believes it also, but then you'll be reaching at that point because you really don't know.

[JoFerret]

77. It doesn't matter what we think

It only matters what the GOP can get the electorate to think.
And many within the democratic electorate are at least unsettled by this.
I certainly am because for at the very least it reminds me of the religiosity of Obama that I find deeply distasteful.

[JoFerret]

75. Great point

The GOP are relentless and McCain is known as the killer with a thousand cuts.

[CatnHat]

35. Those tapes

were plastered all over cable tonight. Do you know how many people watch cable? Millions. Not to mention the press, internet, and talk radio. If Obama didn't think it wasn't important, why in the hell did make his rounds to the cable networks to do his damage control.

Sorry, this story is not going to go away; and neither will Rezko.

[Cali_Democrat]

39. I never said that Obama didn't think it was important

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying the consequences of this story are minimal.

[greyghost]

60. Rev. Wrong is already.

[cali]

13. Tough shit for you, but he won't be dropping out

it's the flawed and corrupt hilly who's going to be dropping out, dearie.

[CatnHat]

32. If I were you

I would start "defending" your candidate; instead of blaming the Clinton's for everything WRONG in the Obama camp. This is only the beginning of both investigations for Obama.

Vote for Obama, who cares; but the majority of people have woken up from Obama's "dreamland" and are finally seeing Obama for what he is, a flawed and corrupt candidate, who gets his inspiration from a jerk who spews hatred masked as "religion"; and to top it off, Obama was bought and paid for by a sleazy politician; while preaching hope and change. What a hypocrite and fake.

Why do you "hate" Hillary so much? Never quite understood that concept coming from some of Obama followers. Shouldn't you be more concerned about your own candidate right now.

[Usrename]

43. Investigate what?

What is it that you think you know, that nobody else knows?

Rezko is in court already. Don't you think there was already an investigation? The accused are on trial, for cryin' out loud!

What is the other big investigation that you think is lurking in our future? A pastor of a church in Chicago? Who will investigate what?

I know things might be different if Hillary weren't losing this race, but you should try to get a grip. It isn't a healthy fantasy.

[greyghost]

62. Allow me to enlighten you as to what is coming. Rezko's campaign

contributions to Obama are high on the hit parade. The Rev. Wright flack will continue because their next move will be to catch Obama in a bold face lie. "I wasn't present for those sermons." I'm sure they're going to take that at face value.:sarcasm:

[Usrename]

81. Obama gave that money to charity. What's the big deal?

I don't see how anybody will catch Obama in a lie over his church. He was very artful in response over this flap.

Obama's supporters most likely view his candidacy much differently than you do. They see it as a good thing, not a curse.

[greyghost]

82. You don't think that catching him lying directly into the camera is

going to affect his campaign? They're going to catch him by taking those video tapes apart and getting people to go on record that he was present.

His campaign is only a curse in the GE. If you think I'm wrong, then you really don't understand the opposition.

[earthlover]

55. There you go again....

You ask "why do you hate Hillary so much"? Not everyone who doesn't back Hillary hates her, but that is the common whine of the Hillary Herd.

It is particulaly ironic because in your same post you call Obama a "hypocrite and a fake", you say Obama is "bought and paid for" and a "flawed and corrupt candidate". In short, you have HATEful words for Obama. Yet you complain about hillary haters.

Recent polls show that the overwhelming majority of Obama supporters would support Hillary as the nominee if she got the nomination. So much for the "hate" theory.

However, a much larger percentage of HILLARY supporters would not support Obama if he got the nomination. I guess there are more haters among the Hillary backers.

I would recommend you attend to the hate in your own side before you examine the hate elsewhere.

[greyghost]

61. Exactly. The free ride just ended for Obama.

[greyghost]

63. They hate her because they think she is all that stands in their

way of reaching dreamland.:rofl:

As if the RW's is going to welcome him into the WH.:rofl: :rofl:

[PseudoIntellect]

92. Or maybe it's the smears and dirty politics that have come mostly from one side of our party.

not dreamland.

[cali]

72. You're both the pot and the kettle

You hate Obama. You smear hate everywhere. And wrong, I don't hate Hillary, though I don't care for her as candidate. You're so full of it. YOU are the one writing hate thread after hate thread.

[PseudoIntellect]

90. He's corrupt?

Just what type of inspiration are you talking about? Political inspiration, social inspiration, ethics/morals, spiritual inspiration?

The fact is that he was Obama's spiritual mentor. Do you think Obama really believes all of the bad things Wright has said? even after the denunciations?

But apparently, your pastor cannot just be your spiritual adviser. Anything he says must be your opinion. If he's a Cubs fan, you're a Cubs fan, too, by association. If he says something mean toward whites, you must be anti-white, as well.

[Submariner]

15. Hillary should drop out now

It turns out that she is a Lieberman-like neocon DLC'er.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

[jackson_dem]

26. That must mean Obama is like Lieberman and a neocon since he votes with Joe as often as Hillary

[Submariner]

29. No, that means Hillary is indeed a DLC neocon and corporate shill

Read the truth and learn from an insider. A fellow DU'er.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

Obama is the ONLY true progressive running. Hillary and her buddy McCain are centrist to right repukes.

[jackson_dem]

31. Yeah, and so is Obama then

[Submariner]

33. That's a well thought response I guess.....you must read fast

[mmonk]

17. Clinton is not fully vetted.

You need to get that through your head.

[Texas Hill Country]

71. The Clintons have been raked over the coals for 20 years....

and Hillary's popularity is basically even with an unvetted Obama...


That has always said a lot to me.

[Drachasor]

89. UNTRUE: They have not been vetted since 2000

After Hillary got her senate seat she has not faced serious opposition nor released ANY of her tax returns (even though she claimed in 2000 that all candidates should when her opponent didn't). How Bill funded his library and where they got all their current wealth from are still unanswered questions (they were basically broke in 2000 by all accounts).

[polichick]

22. Obama is winning the popular vote, pledged delegates and states...

...perhaps the one who can't win without being crowned by insiders should drop out.

[jackson_dem]

27. Just like Kerry. How'd he do in the general?

Kerry was ahead by 8 points at this point in 2004. Obama leads McCain by 4 and is far more of a blank canvass than Kerry was by 2004.

[polichick]

41. It's a fact that your candidate cannot win without being crowned...

...so why hasn't she dropped out?? Instead, she's doing everything she can to sully the frontrunner in hopes that superdelegates will be fearful enough to put her on the throne. It's completely narcissistic.

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[dailykoff]

28. Wait til they find those Chicago Tribunes in his garbage

with pornographic personal ads!

[SunsetDreams]

30. That's not who I had in mind n/t

[Hugabear]

34. Hillary ain't exactly pure herself

You act like there aren't any controversies surrounding Mrs. Clinton.

[Political Heretic]

36. aaaaaaaaand.....

[CoffeeCat]

37. A one, and a two, and a three...

...in concert now!

Isn't it fascinating that since we've seen the Obama email response to the Clinton
daily talking points---how similar those Clinton talking points are to the drivel
that is repeated over and over and over on DU?

Hillary's daily talking point of the week...that Obama is in a "downward spiral."

Guys. Come on. We see right through your orchestrated and pathetic efforts. I
know you're scared. I know your scrambling. I know you're getting paid 50 cents a post.
But please. Try and be a little less obvious about how contrived this little PR show is.

Pathetic.

These ill-conceived marketing points aren't even rooted in reality.

Nice try though.

:rofl:

[dcindian]

40. America does not treat losers well

We know who that will be. Asking for the winner to drop out so McClinton can be ordained will only make your side look that much more like sore losers.

[Hailtothechimp]

42. Enough with the "vetting" already.

Let us see Hillary's tax returns and first lady papers. Then she can claim to be "vetted"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. My dog has been vetted more than Hillary.

[Name removed]

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[tekisui]

45. Bullshit.

If a fiery preacher is the worst on Obama, I'm not worried. He handle himself well against the character assassination attempts.

[Ian David]

52. No, Hillary should drop out

Hillary Endorses Moonie Gathering
Topic started by scoobiedavis on Sep-25-07 04:24 PM (19 replies)
Last modified by blm on Sep-25-07 08:03 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3548253


See also:

Who Is Rev. Moon? 'Sex Lord,' 'Messiah,' Publisher of the Washington Times
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3012914&mesg_id=3012914

[From The Left]

56. President Barack Obama. Just Repeat Three Times and Click Your Heels

[greyghost]

57. Strong points. Their next step will be to catch him in an obvious

lie. That will be the final nail. I'm sure they're going to take his claim that he wasn't present for all of those sermons at face value.:sarcasm:

[TZ]

68. Un effing believable

So Hillary has NO scandals in her past? She has never told a lie? There's nothing the RW can hold agaisnt her? She's a perfect saint?
As much I dislike this latest event, there is nothing Hillary can say or do that proves shes morally superior to Obama.
You are either a) politically naive b)just plain stupid c) trying to cause trouble. I vote C because I would like to think anyone intelligent enough to use a keyboard/computer would make this statement. Although, I should say many of the crap posts in this forum do kind of debunk the theory about intelligence being necessary to post..
:eyes:

[From The Left]

73. Hillary is Lady Macbeth & Jiang Jing Rolled into One

[Rex_Goodheart]

76. Obama is now the Democratic Party's death wish

It saddens and frightens me.

[cloudythescribbler]

78. I'm appalled this OP got EIGHT recs -- it's nothing but substantively empty flame-bait .

[Hoof Hearted]

84. Make that eleven.

[eeyore]

79. Booooooooo!

n/t

[Raine]

80. Yeah, right...

NOT! :rofl:

[Johnny__Motown]

86. Delusional, this will be old news a month before the next primary. Stop getting your hopes up

[skooooo]

94. iggie

[texshelters]

95. Again with this? So Clinton has no dirt on her?

You are sounding like a Republican. Is that why I read that when Clinton loses the nomination, 25% of her support will go to McCain (Pew Research report of Feb 28)? There is as much or more dirt on Clinton and I think Obama has acquitted himself well so far. All this scandal mongering does is help the Republicans.

He's ahead, he's popular, he just picked up more delegates in Iowa, and the Superdelegates are leaning toward him.

Why do you want him to quit? What scandal is so big he should drop out?

I know you like Clinton, fine. Give me a reason to vote for her other than you don't like Obama.

Senator Clinton has been married to Bill Clinton for 32 years. He has a ton of baggage from "Welfare to Work" to bombing Syria, Iraq, failure in Somalia, affairs, lying to Congress.

Maybe Clinton should drop out, eh?

I want Obama to win because he has a plan to rebuild the country, he didn't vote for war authorization (yes, he wasn't there), and he want to unite the country. He will try. I don't expect McCain or Clinton to even go that far.

Tex Shelters

[kid a]

96. i know! >>> check this link - I've had it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[Hoof Hearted]

97. K&R for the audacity of crazy mfkr's screaming bat-shit crazy sermons on video tape.