Obama Doesn't get it . He heard plenty of sermons but he sees nothing wrong

[NewHampster]

You may not like newsmax but an eye witness report is an eye witness report.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml

Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.


Wright's strong sentiments were echoed in the Sunday morning service attended by NewsMax.


Wright laced into America's establishment, blaming the "white arrogance" of America's Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the "United States of White America." Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.

How could Obama or any good American with political aspirations continue to listen to the filth this man spewed on a weekly basis? How could he have this racist anoint his daughters with holy water? The answer is that Obama sees nothing wrong. Obama doesn't get it.

Several prior remarks by Obama's pastor have caught the media's attention:

• Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.
  
  
• Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."
  
  
• Wright on Israel: "The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."
  
  
• Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."

Senator Obama's supporters love to point to his "judgment". His judgment in not backing the Iraq war. I'll give him that. He was right.

But one good judgment in a lifetime of bad judgments does not make a President. In his book, Obama calls Reverend Wright his mentor yet he now seeks to distance himself and say he had no idea what his mentor was preaching. That my friends is politics as usual, in fact that is plain old lying in order to try and sweep away a relationship that he should have ended years ago.

Obama sees nothing wrong. Obama doesn't get it.




*emphasis is mine
edited to remove the war reference which has nothing to do with this argument

[anonymous171]

1. Great way to site newsmax.

[Texas Hill Country]

5. truth is truth... if these are verifiable facts, then there ya go. if he was there, he is a liar.

[lligrd]

14. He Never Said He Wasn't There For Any Of Them

He said he wasn't there for some of the ones he finds most egregious. He never said he wouldn't keep attending if he would have heard them. He said, he would have quit if Wright kept repeating them.

You apparently can't hear very well. They do have help for that you know.

[Texas Hill Country]

30. We have different interpretations of what he said he was not there for

and i would think that the ones that he has proven to be there for (and this is just so far) would qualify.

[lligrd]

34. That Wasn't Even One Of The Ones He Answered To

Your interpretation is wrong.

[Texas Hill Country]

67. His response was more general than those 2 sermons. He said any like that...

I would call those similar.

[lligrd]

79. Well I Wouldn't

I would call those truths.

[kwenu]

26. I don't see where the story says an eyewitness claims Obama was present during the "sermons."

More slimy Clinton royalist garbage. Can't tell the truth to even save yourselves.

[Texas Hill Country]

32. it seems to indicate video, see the part talking about Obama nodding his head?

I did qualify with an IF though just in case

[lligrd]

41. WTF? If?? You Are Spouting All Of This Based On An If

If you had any sense of morality at all, you wouldn't be such an ass.

[Texas Hill Country]

71. FU for the personal attack. I said if these are verifiable facts and it seems that there is tape.

I have not seen the damn tape, so I cant guarantee that it is verifiable.

Dick.

[lligrd]

78. IF, Seems - Your Attacks Are Based On Ifs And Seems

Right back at you with the vulgarity.

[Texas Hill Country]

115. you called me an ass. i merely responded in kind.

[lligrd]

120. Not Exactly In Kind

But we've already established that your interpretations are warped so I will let it go.

[Little Star]

33. read and you shall see. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

97. Who cares? Are you the JESUS police? I do not condemn the pastor.

is this about who is the most "Christian"? Or who is the most politically correct?

Do you assume that everyone condemns what the pastor said?

Ever attend a black church?

Ever wonder why many churches are still segregated, although some are not?

[thevoiceofreason]

154. Hey Hill Coountry

You suck as much as Garry Mauro, your hero, does. Yeah, go after this accounting shit. You know what, your white ass has no reason, basis or justification to criticize a black church, its pastor ot its parishoners.

I have land in the Hill Country too. I bet you are that neighbor who poaches game. Aren't you?

[polichick]

2. So, you don't see the truth in those statements??????

[Texas Hill Country]

3. He is so screwed.

[yardwork]

20. Run for the hills the sky is falling!

/sarcasm

[Hoof Hearted]

171. .

[lligrd]

4. I Guess I Don't Get It Either

because I agree with most of what Wright said.

[jillan]

6. You can be sure that all media organizations are going to be looking for this information.

[UALRBSofL]

102. pirhana, I think I had already mentioned someone would be

looking at the videos closely to see if Obama was there. That way they could discredit his explanation of never hearing any inflammatory sermons.

[anonymous171]

7. Wright also blamed the war on "Bush administration bulls--t."

If you don't agree with this then you are on the wrong site.

[NewHampster]

13. of course I agree with that

but just like Obama, one right does not fix all the wrongs

[blm]

8. Clintons KNEW Jackson Stephens brought BCCI into this country and let him bankroll their careers

and Bill's primary race.

Don't you see the matters Clinton protected involving BCCI were far more dangerous to this country than anything Wright ever said, especially since BCCI matters led directly to the emergence of Bush2, 9-11, and this Iraq war?

[cindyw]

9. wow, thanks for proving that you are a neo-con.

Attacking the Bush administration for the Iraq war is NOT attacking America.

[NewHampster]

18. you are right and I deleted that

it has nothing to do with my argument

[displacedtexan]

10. If that's from 8/8/2007, how can they blame Clinton?

I learned yesterday that FOX News has been on this story for a while,
but Obama supporters are trying to blame Clinton for "manufacturing" this
Rev. Wright issue?

'Tis a puzzlement.

Be sure to check out Rezko Watch today. It's an eye-opener!

[anonymous171]

12. Rezko.....

:rofl:

[NewHampster]

21. Laugh all you want but please

join us at Hillary's Inaugural

[anonymous171]

25. Can I park my Flying Pig on the lawn?

[FrenchieCat]

11. You may not like newsmax .....

but you do.

There is no there there.

Please stop milking this. What you are doing is dangerous as you are participating in the politics of division, and the politics of ennuendos, and the politics of guilt by association, and the politics of personal destruction.

The emphasis is yours, and it shows.

If you are this desperate to have your candidate win, based on this, than you are no better than Newsmax.

Stop the hate and stop the racism by demonizing Rev. Wright for your own use.

[NewHampster]

16. we will never let this die n/t

[FrenchieCat]

31. I know you won't.

Which is why you are no progressive, but only pretend to play on these board.

[NewHampster]

40. No I'm not

I'm a proud liberal who protested the Vietnam war, marched for Civil rights and helped give you the right to think you know better than me.

The definition of Progressive is not someone who agrees with everything you say. It is not an Obama supporter. A progressive in fact does not like being told how to think or what to say. We have minds of our own

[FrenchieCat]

49. Just because you say what you are, it doesn't make it so.......

I don't know you, only what you present on this board, and within your posts in this thread, I don't believe that you are a progressive.

a progressive believes in progress and does not regress to McCarthism. A liberal does not act like he/she has been struck with some kind of divine inspiration to be right about everything....but yet you are most righteous about never letting this go.

You are the essence of anything goes for the sake of the politics of personal destruction.

[NewHampster]

63. How easy it would be for me to say you are not a progressive

just because I don't know you. Quite frankly I don't give a rats ass if you are. I don't consider myself a progressive.

That doesn't mean I'm not a Democrat. If you would like to push those who disagree with everything you say to the Republican party, then keep pushing. I will never go but I know many not so engaged who have no problem swinging both ways.

[FrenchieCat]

73. I know that you don't give a rats ass about me...

and I'm sure you don't give a rats ass about a whole lot of us,
and it shows.

[dchill]

38. What is "this" exactly...

except character assassination by proxy? BTW, Wright was right - and all you're doing is proving it. Imagine what it would take for the "legitimate" news media to make this go for six weeks.

[cbayer]

43. "We" who?

Who do you suppose you speak for.

And it's really hard to argue against the "white america" theme. Have you looked at who's been leading this country since it's inception?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. you especially need to heed your own advice

[ProSense]

19. Hillary supporters are following the leader into bed with the wingnuts. n/t

[cbayer]

45. Are you just completely unable to stop?

Directing your criticism towards an individual - ok. Bashing all Clinton supporters in general - not so much.

[ProSense]

65. What the hell are you talking about? n/t

[rodeodance]

136. BO made his own bed---he can lie in now ---He is responsible!!

[rodeodance]

137. WHF??--Hillary has NADA to do with the mess he created by HIMself.

[obamian]

15. Wow. Some quotes taken out of context that still make sense.

In a world filled with racism, It is a christian mandate to urge racial reconciliation and justice.

[anigbrowl]

22. I don't think Wright''s statements are 'filth'

but I do think your OP is derogatory, divisive, and racist. I would way rather sit down to discuss politics, race and the USA with Jeremiah Wright than with you. Your post sounds like it was copied straight off LittleGreenFootballs.

[ihavenobias]

23. Non-Issue

I realize those on the Right (of the Democratic Party and supporters of McCain) *want* to make it an issue, but it's not. I'm not talking about political ramifications, I'm talking practical considerations:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5083427

[Swamp Rat]

24. AMEN Rev. Wright! ... What I see wrong is posts with links to KKK NewsMax

[yardwork]

29. Thank you, Swamp Rat. You are my favorite DUer.

I mean it. You are the best.

[Swamp Rat]

37. I AM SICK OF THIS RACIST BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Remember when rw assholes here did the same kinda shit to Cindy Sheehan?? It was an unadulterated hate-women fest.

Misogyny and racism does NOT belong on DU, at least not uncontested.

:hug:

[yardwork]

39. You do more than anyone here to fight it, too. Your images are powerful.

There are a lot of DUers whom I love and respect, but your images are truly worth a thousand words. Long may you post, Swamp Rat!

[FrenchieCat]

59. Aye!

:toast:

[cbayer]

54. These pictures are really disturbing to me.

I was there and I am still not able to look at pictures of the event or even hear stories told by others. I never talk about it.

I'm not asking you to stop and I know you change your images frequently. It's just really painful for me.

[Swamp Rat]

70. I am sorry to say this, but I am relieved that those photos are painful to you.

You have a conscience, feel empathy for the plight of others. :hug:

I was born raised and still live in New Orleans. I have to live with those images everyday, especially when I pass hundreds of homeless people living under the I-10 overpass, or go past thousands of abandoned homes where I once knew the people who lived in them. I still live in a screwed up house and am barely surviving here. That is why I study hard day and night (went back to school), so I will have a hope and a prayer of escaping the sad fate of so many others here.

:cry:

[cbayer]

86. I lived there for over twenty years and was there both during and after

the storm. I also saw it all as an eye-witness and was traumatized. I've been back a few times since I left in September, 2005, but I just can't psychologically handle it.

I am glad you are in school and surviving. I still have many friends and family in NOLa. Your work here is really outstanding.

I just wanted to give you a little of my perspective. :hug:

[Swamp Rat]

98. ...

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[ampad]

80. Damn

Those images look like something you would see in a third world country. Thanks swamprat, you know some folks have to be reminded. I have witnessed so much damn racism on this board. It is a wonder that DU have any black posters anymore. I know I have several on ignore because they just disgust me.

[JerseygirlCT]

27. What exactly is wrong with Wright's view?

Is he not entitled to his own thoughts on the issues of racism? In fact, every single thing quoted here is something I've heard from other people here at DU at one time or another. And usually w/o a lot of fuss from other people here.

[tabatha]

28. Katrina is filth.

Pointing out inhumane treatment is not filth.

One of these days you will say that mistreating blacks is good, objecting to it is filth.

[Hissyspit]

35. Oh, brother. What stupid shit. Barack's preacher is a pretty smart guy & quit posting Newsmax shit.

I don't agree with everything Rev. Wright ever said, neither does Obama, and Newsmax is a right-wing propaganda garbage dump.

You just look stupid when you do stuff like this.

[BeyondGeography]

36. What makes you a Democrat, anyway?

[NewHampster]

44. I've never voted for anything but dems

and I will never vote for Obama. So there is a contradiction because he mistakenly calls himself a Democrat.

[BeyondGeography]

46. You live a sheltered white life in New Hampshire

and you obviously have much to learn about your own country if you think anything Wright says in your OP is untrue.

[NewHampster]

51. May in dawn in your small mind

that I am Jewish and I have a hard time with this.

"The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

It isn't even that important to me but I think Israel might be our best friend and therefore we need to be theirs.

[BeyondGeography]

62. So do a post about black/Jewish relations

something Obama (the guy you don't even think is a Democrat) has said will be a priority of his, since he acknowledges there are problems and says he owes his place in the world to blacks and Jews who worked together for civil rights in the South, instead of this kitchen sink bullshit OP.

[NewHampster]

105. what you don't understand about the kitchen sink

is we tried for 9 months but nobody listened. we tried to get the press to ask questions and none would. we tried to get DUers to question Obama but, nope.

We've sort of figured out that Axelrod planned a campaign of issues avoidance.

All we have left is the kitchen sink. Throw everything we have and see what sticks.

Sucks doesn't it.

[mtnsnake]

58. You better be careful, NH, or BeyondGeography will email all his pals to try to get you banned!!!

All ya gotta do is express a differing opinion than the Obamawhiners and a select bunch of them will petition the mods to ban you! Funny thing is...half of the ones doing the petitioning are nothing but trolls hiding behind Obama as faux supporters of his. LOL!

[NewHampster]

108. then I can join Liberalnurse in exile

I've already left the daily obama, one reason I'm here today.

Can you imagine that they banned a nice "old" lady like lib for saying what she felt. this is someone who went to Iowa to volunteer in '04 and who knows where this year, but she gets banned by a bunch of snotty nosed assholes who wouldn't know true candidate support if it hit them in the ass.

[bunnies]

42. wow. Hampster still hates Obama.

Who knew. :eyes:

[NewHampster]

47. No I don't hate anyone actually

even you. I do love America and I do believe with all my 56 years of hindsight that Obama is the greatest cult leader since Jim Jones.

[bunnies]

123. Hampster!

You cant hate me because we live in the same state and I think theres some sort of rule against that. :P
But come on... Jim Jomes? Dont you think your exaggerating just a little?? Seriously. Do you honestly think Obama is going to lead millions of people to Jonestown?

Seriously. Do you really?

[NewHampster]

166. Seriously yes

I think he will be like his mentor Deval Patrick and a year after he's elected his supporters will be scratching their heads and saying "what have we wrought".

[LaurenG]

48. I'm sure he "get's" it, he's being swift boated for going to church

I love what my country stands for and I love the people as they have open hearts but some of our history is horrific and that is what Wright was talking about.

[boston bean]

50. The real point here, even though o supporters want to attack a messanger, is that O Lied

Straight faced lied on KeithO, Fox, and CNN.

That is the problem.

[NewHampster]

55. yeah

thats what I meant to say. ;-)

[casus belli]

56. Lied about what?

You can't make such broad generalizations and expect to be taken seriously.

[boston bean]

he said he never heard these messages or speech when he was in the pews.

I can go dig up the exact quote, which will be even more damning, and in proof of his lies.

[casus belli]

60. The sermon referenced in the OP...

and the clips being aired are two completely different sermons. But, you knew that right?

[boston bean]

68. Obama said if heard any of that, he would have left. stop parsing

Is that how O is going to answer this, what the meaning of is is.

[Texas Hill Country]

75. No, he said he never heard anything like that...

[casus belli]

144. self delete, responded to wrong thread

[casus belli]

143. Right.

The posts referred to in the OP are not the quotes that have caused the uproar...namely the "God damn America" quote and the comments about Hillary. He has said that he had not heard those particular sermons, and he was clear that if he had he would have called him to task on it.

The fact that this guy has said controversial things is no secret. If you watch the interview of Barack by Olberman, he admits to as much. In the interview, he was referring to these two particular sermons that the media seems to have singled out when he said he wasn't present. He wasn't there. He didn't hear it, and if he did, he would have called him out on it.

Where exactly is the parsing? Watch the interview if you feel I've paraphrased.

[rodeodance]

139. face it. BO is in deep shit!

[JoFerret]

169. Lied ... or is totally out to luch

And the fact is - most of Wright's stuff is ho-hum and fine by me. But not the tone nor the cruelty.
And of course it may be mainstream in some AA churches but it does not play well nationally so what was he thinking?

[casus belli]

52. Sorry, the OP is so full of errors, it would be difficult to respond.

Not to mention that every single person I have heard say that he preached hate for 20 years is probably not familiar with .01% of the sermons he has preached. I would say that it is YOU, not Obama, that doesn't get it.

Let's assume for just one second that you are correct. Let's pretend the Reverend Wright preached a hate sermon for 20 years. The fact that you, and others, are just now becoming aware of this proves Reverend Wright's point. White America DOES have a history of turning their backs on the African American community. They are largely unaware of what is going on, and don't care until it becomes a part of something that concerns them - like an election.

If you have been calling for Reverend Wright's removal for 20 years then I apologize. If you just started caring when this story "broke" then you're the sermon, dude. I hate to break it to you, but whether you want to hear it or not...a lot of what he says is true.

[TheWraith]

53. The same Newsmax that talked about Bill Clinton raping teenage virgins?

Citing wingnut psycho bullshit just proves how desperate you are.

[casus belli]

57. I hope to God they clean the place up after we have a nominee.

The invasion isn't even subtle anymore.

[NewHampster]

66. After Kerry got the nom

I don't think they cleaned up all my Deaniac filth. What lies I spouted back then too. Like trying to convince people that Kerry was who the rethugs wanted.

Oh well. Forgive them for they know not what they do.

[FrenchieCat]

83. It will take a very strong disinfectant and a high power vaccum to

rid us of the filth germanating this forum with posts from Newsmax, the National Review and the rest of the Right Wing publications put in place only to speed up the demise of the Democratic party.

[mtnsnake]

61. K&R for the truth!

[boston bean]

64. The truth is O lied on KeithO, FOX and CNN. That is what this is about.

[NewHampster]

69. How can you tell when Obama's lying?

wait, wait, uh, uh,

[mtnsnake]

72. Yup

He sounds more and more like a patholigical liar

[NewHampster]

74. off topic good read

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGRiMWFhNWY4MTgzMjI3NjEzNGQwMWFiMTlhYmRhN2Y=

[mtnsnake]

76. That is a good read

Someone did a thread about that a few days ago and all hell broke loose. lol

[golddigger]

127. Damn that is a good read...Did not know that. Wow!

[TexasLady]

155. Hey, the one thing that Obama says that many people

agree with , is FIX it YOURSELF.

Regardless of how you feel about him, getting people off their butts and DOING something on a local level, cant be all bad, now can it?

[Annces]

77. GOBAMA

The audacity of hope.

[NewHampster]

82. If Hope means

believing in lies then it is audacious.

[Annces]

92. This country does need to be shaken up

And I agree with what the pastor has said. There are so many wrongs being perpetuated in our country, only the radicals are speaking the truth about it.

[golddigger]

128. Wait a minute didn't Obama denounce his mentor?

[Annces]

140. Yes

Don't you have friends who say things you agree with, but you would not want to repeat what they say if you are running for office.

[avrdream]

81. Well, who would have thought a preacher man would bring Barry down?

Sad.

[NewHampster]

85. As one who detests all religion

I'm rather excited to see it happen. Who better to bring down a pied piper liar, than a pied piper preaching liar.

[mtnsnake]

88. amen my friend

[golddigger]

129. Even as one that also detests all religion, I still have to say Amen to that.

[GarbagemanLB]

84. Anyone who links to Newsmax = not a progressive.

[boston bean]

87. The source will be mainstream tomorrow or monday, will that make it better for you? nt

[NewHampster]

90. they'll believe it only when

MSNBO says it is so

[NewHampster]

89. truth is truth

even when written by scums.

[jackson_dem]

91. If this is true--and posting police make no mistake--this will be investigated, he is toast

Sorry. This is almost as bad as Spitzer. He had to know the fastest way to losing was to be tagged this way and he had in his public image done everything to avoid it. How could he be so arrogant and blind to provide the dynamite with which his carefully cultivated image would be destroyed?

[NewHampster]

96. He believed it himself

He really thought he was above politics. He thought he wasn't a politician but a savior.

[golddigger]

132. Yep, with a little brainwashing from Axelrod. It work for Deval Patrick

but it is a whole different ballgame when your running for president.
Deval Patrick was the minor leagues, this is the Major leagues.

[jackson_dem]

150. But I doubt Patrick is reckless enough to do something so blatantly hypocritcal

Even rethug politicians know they shouldn't go to a church with an openly racist pastor. Obama has a real problem with judgment, which is ironic since he touts it as a reason for ignoring his lack of experience.

[jackson_dem]

149. Apparently. Add Barack Obama to the list of politicians whose egoes led to their downfall

[LaurenG]

101. And you can remember how happy you were, and when it happens to Senator Clinton

What will you do then? All hail president mccain? :cry:

[boston bean]

112. Ohio, I am sick about this, this has fucked the dem party every which way to sunday

in all practicality, neither he or clinton can become president.

I blame Obama for his hubris and I blame the democratic party, like kerry and kennedy, for giving him so much support with no vetting.

This is a disaster. I am crying too.

This story cannot be blamed on Hillary, it is something the right will use all season.

Screw Dean and screw the stupid idiots who didn't think ahead.

[LaurenG]

113. I'm not blaming her

I think she better work 24/7 to stay ahead of whatever they have laying in wait for her.

[boston bean]

114. I didn't think you were blaming her that's for sure

I am in total agreement with what you say.

[BlackVelvet04]

93. K&R

of course he knew what Wright was preaching. I can't believe anyone would believe he didn't.

[Tellurian]

156. Michelle speaks for both of them with her off the cuff racist remarks.

so you know they are both in agreement with Wright and why they will continue as part of his congregation.

[Laughing Mirror]

94. Those remarks of Reverend Wright's sound completely accurate to me

I'm not much of a churchgoer, but I would enjoy listening to his sermons.

Thanks Newsmax for printing them.

[Alamom]

95. k&r

[EFerrari]

99. The more you people post from Wright, the more he seems like the progressive

and you do not.

Go for it!

[goletian]

100. omg he makes me feel guilty because of all the bad whites have done to blacks!!! *cries*

dont complain about our racist history! thats racist!!!!! T_T;;

[JTFrog]

103. You are wrong. I went to see Obama today. He was very straight forward about Wright.

He used all those words you wanted him to use, reject, denounce, disagree. In fact he even said he strongly disagreed and rejected some of his former pastor's views. In no way did he try to make light of the situation at all.

Obama gets it just fine. I wish I could say the same for more people here.

[boston bean]

104. To bad he unequivocally said he never heard him say this stuff personally.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

106. RE: the IWR....Obama one good judgment in a lifetime of bad judgments does not make a President.

[zabet]

119. ..

:applause:

[golddigger]

131. ...

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[mainer]

107. Y'know what? Rev. Wright happens to be RIGHT

I can't argue with any of those quotes above.

[NewHampster]

110. lets give up on Israel

and don't forget "God Damn America"

[Nia Zuri]

109. There WAS nothing wrong with his sermons...when you really think about it

and get past the tone and rhetoric, it's all true.

[boston bean]

111. The rhetoric is offensive and divisive. nt

[NewHampster]

116. I know that whatever He says

Whatever the god Obama says is right, must be right.

I'm so sorry for disagreeing. Please ask him to forgive me my trespass.

[Tellurian]

157. MLK would not agree with Wright!

He would denounce him and pound him into the ground.

[PerfectSage]

117. You don't get it. God Damned America

with 12 years of Bush, 8 years of Clinton and in all probability with the end of the US as a superpower...

Dear God please don't damn us with 8 years of Hillaryland. lol

Just started reading: The Truth about Hillary/Hillarity. lol

[NewHampster]

118. then God Damn You

if you damn my country.

[PerfectSage]

122. Ummm You've done it to yourselves. lol

[judaspriestess]

121. a big giant kick

and recommend

on edit: quit posting newsmax but its perfectly OK to bring up the drudge report and the supposed leak of Obama in traditional Somali garb insinuating he was a muslim by the Clinton campaign. Thats ok.

[pdxmom]

124. I'm still trying to figure out what he lied about. I don't see anything there

about KKKA or God Damn America or anything about Hillary. None of those things that were shown in those videos.

You might call what you posted above as divisive, but I see it as speaking truth to power. There IS a white arrogance, and many people here on DU show it (an example would be I saw earlier today where it was said that blacks should be glad there was slavery). And there is a White America. And a Black America. Not unlike the two Americas that John Edwards speaks about. As a matter of fact, Black America is a large subset of the poor America that Edwards speaks of. And rich America--well, that is full of those White Americans.

Are you also calling Edwards divisive and did he spout hate speech?

[NewHampster]

125. Obama lied last night about knowing

what this preacher says. if not then whay does he donate $23,000 a year to the church.

[pdxmom]

126. No, what he said was that he didn't know about those inflammatory

clips that were on Faux. Actually, he had heard about one of them (not mentioning which one) before he started his run for the candidacy, and he only had heard about the other one when it aired on Faux.

Why does he donate $23,000 to the church? What's his income? 10% tithe is normal. My parents tithe at least that every year. The money goes to support programs and ministries run or supported by the church. I bet Hillary tithes to her church, as well, but she won't release her tax records for us to know about that.

[NewHampster]

130. Hillary is a Lay Preacher

or whatever it's called in the Methodist church.

[pdxmom]

133. I'm a Methodist. She is still expected to tithe. Being a lay minister

doesn't change that. It's basically an honorarium that must be renewed each year by the diocese. Both of my parents are lay ministers.

[NewHampster]

135. and as I exit for dinner I have to say

I think religion is the cause of almost all evil in this world.

[pdxmom]

138. And on that, we agree. N/T

[golddigger]

134. A huge giant kick....nt

[libbygurl]

141. Hmm...'new politics' = same as the 'old politics'. Very interesting final paragraphs:

Political pundits have suggested that Obama's problems with Wright are not ones based on faith, but pure politics. The upstart presidential candidate needs to pull most of the black vote to have any chance of snagging the Democratic nomination. Obama's ties to Wright and the activist African American church helps in that effort.

But the same experts same those same ties may come to haunt him if he were to win the nomination and face a Republican in the general election.

The worry is not lost on Wright.

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Wright told The New York Times with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said 'yeah, that might have to happen.'"

So much for the pure-as-driven-snow, innocent St Obama. Anything for political expediency.

[NewHampster]

142. so sad

:kick:

[RestoreGore]

145. Didn't black people die on 9.11?

Didn't we as a nation mourn ALL of them? I cannot fathom how he condones the deaths of Americans regardless of their skin color. Sorry, but I would not vote for Obama or any other candidate tied to anyone like this.

[NewHampster]

148. Hey even Muslims dies on 9/11

Blacks, Jews, Asians, White Anglos, Latinos and quite a few Irish. I think the reverend is quite mad and Obama should have lost him years ago.

[uponit7771]

146. You're the ones that lying, Obama said he wasn't present during the inflammatory sermons & you can't

...prove that he was.

[NewHampster]

147. but I don't believe anything he says

anymore

[izzybeans]

151. This is HUGH!!!!! HONk HONk HONK AahUUGgaaa AahUUgaaa!!! He's So Screwn!!!

Please step away from the clown car.

[rucky]

152. Y'all should go with the "white arrogance" message.

keep saying how offended you are by it. how racist it is. and pepper it with plenty of trash talk about Obama.

[Tellurian]

159. If you don't agree with the OP, the burden of proof is on you to disprove it!

You will probably feign outrage and go off in a huff. That is the usual MO of Obama supporters. And basically the reason why we continue to have these daily skirmishes because you never make your point with facts/factual evidence* and never achieve resolution one way or the other. **plink**

* links

**no response**

[GarbagemanLB]

160. What is there to debate when you Hillbots use Newsmax and right-wing blogs as 'facts'?

[Tellurian]

161. We've established up thread in this case, they have made a valid point

also, I am not a Hillbot.. as your manners are now in dispute.

[rucky]

162. There's no proof to the OP's assumption.

which is an accusation of thoughtcrime. "he sees nothing wrong"... in other words, prove he isn't thinking it.

the *proof* is that Obama has never echoed these sentiments. ever. neither in words nor in actions. If he did, we'd be hearing about his quotes and not Wright's. We KNOW which of Wrights words he approves of, because he "steals" them in his speeches and book titles and whatnot.

the feigned outrage is in the OP. The racist accusations are in the OP. Wright's statements are over the top, but that's about it. Obama was in the congregation. that's about it.

[Tellurian]

164. Well,apparently, the Republicans are setting up to use the same arguments against him

and you've yet to provide LINKS or actual proof the OP is false in any way.. Your opinion is irrelevant without evidence to back up your response.

Here is a preview of what Obama is in for should he be the nominee. WE know he is Lying. We cannot defend a Liar.

you can read here in it's entirety. ( the second half is Republican commentary on what they plan for Obama)

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977285439

You believe him so it up to you to provide "REAL" evidence to prove the above statements false.

[gich]

153. For me, its Obama or Mccain..

First Obama's candidacy was downplayed even in the African-American circles as lacking legitimacy. Remember, "is Obama back enough" to win black support? That was taken care of quickly when compared with the phony race-baiting politics of Ms. Clinton who along with her husband had been given unfettered support in the AA communities especially by our black elected officials. Why?

Did our inner-city youth complete high schools and attend universities in unprecedented droves during the Clinton years? Did the scourge of drugs and crime prevalent in inner cities throughout america significantly diminish through sustained programs and policies attributed to their initiatives while in the White House? Did our prison and justice system stop looking less than court rooms in Nairobi with fewer of our people making acquaintances with the system? Or did, our communal hope and overall afrocentric pride finally take root and manifest itself during their years at the presidency?
Perhaps, Bill Clinton initiated programs designed to promote self sustenance and upward economic mobility? So why this oft repeated bogus and indeed insulting Clinton label as "the first black president"?

Then I thought Obama was deemed as a Muslim? If not a practitioner, at least a sympathizer. It turns out he has attended a Christian church for twenty years! But that wasn’t good enough for those majoring in divisive politics. Reverend Wright said in 2005 speech/sermon that America would never elect a black president. Well his claims are slowly taking shape. Will America allow this hate monger’s prophesy to come true? Or will it rise above the politics of personal destruction and allow Obama to be judged by his works and sole character, not by the works of Rev. Wright or the perceived shortcomings of black America?

I for now will not feel sorry for Obama were he not to win this nomination. He has a wonderful job, is still young, has inspired America and beyond that has a slamming and intelligent wife and two wonderful and beautiful daughters.
But I would do my utmost to win votes for McCain should Clinton represent the DP. In distancing himself and right away from Bill Cunningham’s politics recently showed me what I need to see in a leader. Clinton on the other hand, gaffe after gaffe, topped with the Obama “as far as I know” is not Muslim interview. Pathetic!

[avrdream]

158. This part:

"Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22"

Maybe he was in the restroom.

This is the opposite of voting "present" I guess.

[kwassa]

163. Here is the church that Wright has made ....

http://www.ucc.org/news/chicagos-trinity-ucc-is.html

Chicago's Trinity UCC is 'great gift to wider church family'

Written by J. Bennett Guess
March 14, 2008

In the wake of misleading attacks on its mission and ministry, Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ is being lauded by United Church of Christ leaders across the nation for the integrity of its worship, the breadth of its community involvement and the depth of its commitment to social justice.

"Trinity United Church of Christ is a great gift to our wider church family and to its own community in Chicago," says UCC General Minister and President John H. Thomas. "At a time when it is being subjected to caricature and attack in the media, it is critical that all of us express our gratitude and support to this remarkable congregation, to Jeremiah A. Wright for his leadership over 36 years, and to Pastor Otis Moss III, as he assumes leadership at Trinity."

Thomas says he has been saddened by news reports that "present such a caricature of a congregation that been such a great blessing."

"These attacks, many of them motivated by their own partisan agenda, cannot go unchallenged," Thomas emphasizes. "It's time for all of us to say 'No' to these attacks and to declare that we will not allow anyone to undermine or destroy the ministries of any of our congregations in order to serve their own narrow political or ideological ends."

Located in the heart of Chicago's impoverished Southside, Trinity UCC's vast array of ministries include career development and college placement, tutorial and computer services, health care and support groups, domestic violence programs, pastoral care and counseling, bereavement services, drug and alcohol recovery, prison ministry, financial counseling and credit union, housing and economic development, dozens of choral, instrumental and dance groups, and diverse programming for all ages, including youth and senior citizens.

Thomas, a member of Pilgrim Congregational UCC in Cleveland, has attended worship at Trinity UCC on a few occasions -- most recently on March 2 -- and sys he is "profoundly impressed" with the 6,000-member congregation.

Among Trinity UCC's crowning achievements, Thomas says, is its work with young people.

"While the worship is always inspiring, the welcome extravagant, and the preaching biblically based and prophetically challenging, I have been especially moved by the way Trinity ministers to its young people, nurturing them to claim their Christian faith, to celebrate their African-American heritage, and to pursue higher education to prepare themselves for leadership in church and society," Thomas says.

'Exceedingly gracious'

The Rev. Steve Gray, the UCC's Indiana-Kentucky Conference Minister, describes Trinity UCC as a "jewel."

"It's everything a Christian community is supposed to be," says Gray, who has been working with Trinity UCC for the past three years to develop a new UCC congregation in Gary, Ind. "Trinity has given well over $100,000 in support of its partnership with us, and in 15 months of regular meetings with Jeremiah Wright, we always found him to be a man of gracious hospitality, humor, generosity, who paid attention to detail but also a man who does not call attention to himself."

Trinity UCC has been involved in planting more than 15 new congregations, according to the UCC's Evangelism Ministry in Cleveland.

Gray, a member of First Congregational UCC in Indianapolis, has worshiped several times at Trinity UCC and is most impressed by the overflowing sense of welcome it extends to visitors.

"When you're Euro-American, the people are so exceedingly gracious, warm and welcoming. They hug you and say, 'Welcome to our church!'"

Many, including Gray, point with appreciation to Trinity UCC's generous support of denominational and ecumenical ministries. From 2003 to 2007, Trinity UCC gave more than $3.7 million to Our Church's Wider Mission, the UCC's shared fund for connectional mission and ministry.

'Extraordinary outreach'

The Rev. Bennie Whiten, retired Massachusetts Conference Minister who prior served for 15 years as associate director of Chicago's Community Renewal Society, says, "Trinity was one church that we could always rely on to respond almost immediately. They have been very, very involved in the community in so many meaningful ways."

Noting the church's work in health care, early childhood education and economic development, Whiten says, "The scope of their concern and outreach is extraordinary. It's really just an outstanding congregation."

Whiten, a member of Pilgrim UCC in Oak Park, Ill., is especially taken with Trinity UCC's commitment to the need and importance of quality theological education. More than 60 members of Trinity UCC are currently enrolled in seminary and pursuing masters-level degrees. Moreover, the congregation pays for students' tuition costs.

"They firmly believe in the UCC's commitment to an educated, seminary-trained clergy," Whiten said, "and they have probably had more people feeling the call to ministry than any other church in the denomination."

The Rev. Susan Thistlethwaite, president and professor of theology at UCC-related Chicago Theological Seminary, says Trinity UCC is a model church in the way it supports its people in discerning and cultivating their gifts for ministry, both lay and ordained.

"Another thing I really appreciate about Trinity is that its ministries are always directed both inward, toward the congregation itself, and also outward in supporting other congregations ecumenically and supporting community organizations that are dedicated to lifting up the wider society," Thistlethwaite says. "We have had so many fine students come through Chicago Theological Seminary who were helped to discern their call to ministry through this church's dedication to serving the wider church."

'Jesus and justice'

The Rev. Kenneth L. Samuel, pastor of Victory UCC in Stone Mountain, Ga., says he is impressed that Trinity UCC "promotes spirituality and piety while also being emphatic about social justice."

While Trinity UCC is the denomination's largest congregation, Samuel's 5,300-member church is the UCC's second largest. Founded in 1987, it joined the UCC in 2004.

"Trinity was really one of the churches that inspired me to want to affiliate with the United Church of Christ," Samuel said. "My church was originally National Baptist and Southern Baptist, but it was the critical-thinking that brought to this work, the justice work, that helped me to want to become a part of the denomination. I have no regrets about that."

Samuel says that, during Wright's 36-year ministry at Trinity, Wright has not been afraid to tackle difficult topics, while staying equally committed to preaching "Jesus and justice."

"There have been two major sins in the Black church that many Black churches will not address – homophobia is one and sexism is another," Samuel says, "and Jeremiah Wright has been one of the articulate, courageous voices that has not been afraid to address these critical issues. If he can do that and still maintain his close connectivity to the Black community, and stay grounded in the Black ethos, that's what has inspired me."

'Speaks well for us'

Carol Brown, national president of United Black Christians and a member of Cleveland's Mt. Zion UCC for more than 50 years, describes Trinity UCC as "the flagship church of the United Church of Christ."

"I think it's very interesting that a minority group within a denomination can have the largest church, support the most ministries and give the largest number of OCWM dollars," Brown says. "That speaks well for us as an accepting, open and affirming denomination. Especially, as a justice-oriented church, sets a standard for all the denomination that all are welcome."

Brown, who worships at Trinity UCC when in Chicago for meetings, says she is most taken by its exuberant spirit.

"It's certainly a very welcoming church, and it's certainly very reaffirming of the faith when people join in such large numbers when there's an altar call," Brown says. "It's something that you don't see in the average church. God is certainly at work there, and it's exciting when you see that many people stand up to witness to their faith and step forward."

[zulchzulu]

165. Gittin' yer tawkin' poirts frum da righties, I see... Way to FUCKING GO ASSHOLE.

Pretty SLICK.

:puke:

[Freida5]

167. Why doesn't he just switch churches. People switch churches everyday.

Go someplace else if you disagree with Rev Wright statements.

[Zhade]

168. First, eyewitness testimony IS NOT ADEQUATE EVIDENCE...

...especially when it's from a known lying sources such as newsmax.

[Hoof Hearted]

170. He's led a charmed political existence with no real challenge, but it's O-vah.

He's screwed.

He's





If he gets the nomination we are all screwed.

[CreekDog]

172. Sure am glad Wright is not one of our candidates

Were you aware of that? :eyes:

[LisaL]

173. Yea, he is just our candidate's spiritual mentor.

[CreekDog]

174. you mean our candidate thinks just like Wright?

:eyes:

[DerekJ]

175. one more on ignore