Do you remember when?

[LWolf]

I'm feeling nostalgic for 2007.

You know. The days when neither Clinton nor Obama were supported by a majority of DUers; when they ran 3rd and 4th, and sometimes 4th and 5th, in GDP polls:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3472136

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3522736

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3571620

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3586522

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3622136

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3629535

This one had more than 1000 responses:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3649440

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3711671

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3750959

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3817461

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3903425

You'd think, to look in GDP these days, that Obama and Clinton inspire incredible passion in their supporters. I'm sure they inspire passion for some. In reality, though, I think the majority of the passion is directed in a different direction. It's not that so many people support one or the other; it's that, with no better choices on the table, so many people are determined to defeat the worst of the two choices left. It's not the passion of conviction that I see here, but the battle fury of an army that has lost the war, but is going to take out the enemy or die trying. The only way left to win is to defeat the enemy, and the enemy is us. Within the party.

In the process, there will be no strong candidate to send against the contender in November, no united army behind him or her.

Most of us never got to vote for our true choice; the rest all dropped out even before Super Tuesday. My primary doesn't roll around until May 20th.

I, for one, cannot pretend that the nomination of either of these two persons will bring unity, or victory. I wish that the rest of the posters here would simply discuss the candidate they've settled for in real terms; strengths and flaws. What are you really winning, if you win? You got to beat the other candidate. At this point, it's not likely that you'll win the general election, and even if you did, enough real issues are "off" the table of either of these candidates, and enough damage has been done, that it's not exactly a thrilling prospect. A relief; no more. A Pyrrhic victory at best.

I'm nostalgic for the days when I could look forward to voting in a new president.

[2008]

1. k&r

[Radio_Lady]

2. Hello LWolf... "We must all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately."

With credit to Benjamin Franklin, kicked and recommended.

2008 Facts

We paid almost $4.00 a gallon for gasoline on the Big Island of Hawaii.

Food was out of sight. We went out to eat ONCE during our trip, and spent more than $300.00 for food in our villa.

A Pepsi was $1.50 in a drink machine.

A single drink (non-alcoholic) at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel on Oahu was $4.50 (we just browsed their beach).

A two-liter bottle of purified water was $1.29 at the Waikoloa Market. Luna Bars were $2.00 each.

[LWolf]

16. Great quote.

I've been fascinated by Franklin since childhood.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ulysses]

3. yeah, I hear you.

K&R.

[LWolf]

17. Hope you are safely out of the cellar this morning, friend.

:hi:

[monmouth]

4. Remember waiting to hear what pithy, clever barb Joe Biden would throw out there?..n/t

[LWolf]

5. Yes.

Joe Biden wasn't my first choice, but he moved me from "no thanks" to "I think I can work with this guy." I deeply regretted his dropping out.

[Steely_Dan]

6. How Sad....

that Mr. Biden didn't go further. I believe that he would have caught fire. We might have had some sanity.

-P

[monmouth]

7. I do think he's looking at a SOS position if he wants it. He'd be so perfect..n/t

[rucky]

8. We're working with what we have, here...

and making poop juice out of lemons.

[LWolf]

18. Poop juice out of lemons.

Sums it up well.

[frogcycle]

9. I strongly recommend just ignoring this shit and watching basketball

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3016617&mesg_id=3016617

[LWolf]

10. Well, I'm not much of a tv watcher or basketball fan,

although I do watch home games when my middle school students are playing.

How about if I go ride my horse instead?

[frogcycle]

11. that works too

[Breeze54]

12. But it's so much more fun to beat the crap out of each other!!

:sarcasm:

Wise words and :thumbsup: :thumbsup: for looking all those links up!

But I still have hope and I do think the Dems will take the WH.

[Forkboy]

13. Welcome to my world!

:toast:

[LWolf]

14. Yep.

:toast:

[Utopian Leftist]

15. Excellent post

I think you're right. There are very few differences in policy between Obama and Clinton.

Before beginning her scorched-Earth, "kitchen sink" (her own words) campaign, the only beef I had with Hillary is that she had the highest disapproval rating (48%) of any major presidential candidate in the history of the polls. What I didn't get AND STILL DON'T is WHY so many Democrats chose to rally around the most despised politician in our party.

It might have been understandable if she had been supporting policies that no one else was. If, for example, she had the record and the vision of a true progressive such as Dennis Kucinich. Then I might have said "to HELL with how much the Republicans hate her, let's give the progressive a chance anyway." But of all the candidates, she was the most conservative, the darling of the corporations, the one who would move our party furthest to the right. And everything else being equal, I just can't imagine any benefit in choosing as our nominee someone who is so vehemently disliked.

[KoKo]

19. Yeah...well it's the TWO we are LEFT WITH...what the Hell do you want folks to do?

Yes...I REMEMBER! I've seen stuff on here that makes me wonder why I spent 7 years supporting the NET ROOTS and before that fighting the RW on SALON and the old "Media Whores on Line."

I've realized I'm either CRAZY or I'VE BEEN HAD! I'm thinking now, it's the latter of the two... How we ever ended up with these two...when this WAS OUR YEAR...amazes me. But, then, I couldn't figure out how we ended up with Kerry in '04 when THAT YEAR ...was when we should have been able to throw BUSH OUT...and save ourselves from the Coming Armageddon in America!

There's something very wrong with our Party. Some of us know this...because we've watched it all these years. But, the very Netroots who were supposed to REBUILD IT...went wrong and our now throwing out folks just because they can't support Obama...claiming they are throwing out DLC'ers. I'm not a DLC'er and neither are many of us that Kos/Buzzflash/The Nation and other sites have culled off their Boards.

It's sickening. :puke: is all I can say about it..at this point...to VENT...

[LWolf]

20. .

:hug: