Ted Kennedy - We wouldn't have S-chip if it wasn't for Hillary--->

[jillan]

Memory getting a little hazy, Ted?


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/06/clinton_claims_credit_for_child_program/

"The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue," Kennedy told The Associated Press.

[Texas Hill Country]

1. Yeah, Kennedy slippin...

[wordpix]

4. you know more than Ted Kennedy about the CHIP program? I doubt it.

:crazy:

[BlackVelvet04]

11. It's his own friggin' words....

or did you bother to read it? Can you read?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. ROFLMAO they don't even read the OP they only know how to attack

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

31. "The White House wasn't for it....does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No."

Clinton role in health program disputed

But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.

"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."

"I do like her," Hatch said of Hillary Clinton. "We all care about children. But does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No - Teddy does, but she doesn't."

..."It was a bipartisan bill. I don't remember the role of the White House," said Representative Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who has not endorsed a candidate in the presidential race and who was the chief Democrat on the Energy and Commerce Committee, which deals with health matters. "It did not originate at the White House."

link

[karynnj]

38. This does not say that she initiated or created it

Kennedy's statement was acknowledging that she pushed Bill to put it in the budget.

[boston bean]

2. I was waiting for that to come out. He is miserable lately. I have lost a lot of respect.

He gives his brothers memory over to Barack Obama?

this is a total fuck up all the way around.

[JoFerret]

21. He made a big mistake in jumping when he did.

And another mistake aligning with Bush over NCLB. But this is a good move and after all - he has done a lot of good stuff over the years and fought many a good battle.

Come on home Ted.

[ProSense]

3. "Memory getting a little hazy, Ted?" His memory is fine, but your spin is, as usual, disingenuous

Hillary mailer accuses Obama of "demagoquery," Kennedy responds and a fact check on SCHIP

Clinton role in health program disputed

[democrattotheend]

5. I brought that up the other day

I knew she had played a role with getting Bill on board. But she did not play a role in crafting the legislation, and that is what Teddy is calling her out on now.

[jillan]

7. Read the link I posted. While Kennedy was fighting for it in the Senate, Hillary was fighting for

it as first lady.

[ProSense]

8. Hillary was fighting Bill to ensure he didn't jerk the Dems in Congress over by vetoing SCHIP n/t

[jillan]

9. Who ever responded to me - sorry - all I see is

Ignored

[ProSense]

12. So when you see "ignored" do the facts disappear from the rest of the world? (rhetorical question)

[bvar22]

35. No. The facts don't disappear.

They are in open, clear, and undisputed for everyone else who reads this thread.

Putting someone on "Ignore" is like putting your head in the sand. Their little world seems safe, but the rest of the World sees their Big Fat Ass waving in the wind.

[jillan]

37. You can say alot about me, but one thing is for sure -

I do not have a fat ass.

[anamandujano]

14. Same here. lol

[SaveOurDemocracy]

26. me 3 ...

:shrug:

[democrattotheend]

19. I know. I said that.

But she did not play a role in crafting the legislation.

[karynnj]

39. What did she do as First Lady?

What was clear in 1997 and is clear now IS that she pushed Bill to include the ALREADY PASSED PROGRAM in the budget.

Consider this current example - There is a Kerry/Snowe bill to help veterans that passed and was signed into law by Bush. But in the recent Small Business Committee hearings both Kerry and Snowe questioned the Bush representative as he did not fund it in the budget. Imagine the outrage of Democrats if the S-CHIP bill had not been funded - making its passage useless. Politically, I serious doubt Clinton could have remained popular without funding it.

[JoFerret]

24. You missed the point "my friend"

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[indimuse]

6. K&R

:kick:

[Saturday]

10. I remembered Kennedy praising Hillary at the time. Doesn't he think

we can check his words? What an idiot.

[melody]

15. No, he's quite positive about Hillary compares with Bush. He just prefers Obama.

How is that so difficult for some to fathom? He's either for you or against you?

[karynnj]

40. No he didn't think a First Lady would have the Chutzpah to

claim that she initiated legislation. But then, she's also claimed she did diplomatic work - when in fact she had no security clearance.

[anamandujano]

13. Nice find. Poor Teddy is probably thinking about taking a vow of silence

because of this fiasco he's presently involved in.

I have heard: Once it happened that Mullah Nasruddin was passing through a forest. He came upon a skull. Just curious, as he always was, he asked the skull, "What brought you here, sir?" And he was amazed because the skull said, "Talking brought me here, sir." He couldn't believe it, but he had heard it so he ran to the court of the king. He told there that "I have seen a miracle! A skull, a talking skull, lying just near our village in the forest."

The king also couldn't believe, but he was also curious. The whole court followed. They went into the forest. Nasruddin went near the skull and asked again the same question, "What brought you here, sir." But the skull remained silent. He asked again and again and again, but the skull was dead silent.

The king said, "I knew it before, Nasruddin, that you are a liar. But now this is too much. You have played such a joke that you will have to suffer for it." He ordered his guard to cut his head and throw the head near the skull for the ants to eat. When everybody went -- the king, his court -- the skull started talking again. And she asked, "What brought you here, sir?" Nasruddin answered, "Talking brought me here, sir."

http://www.totallyok.com/yoga/sutras/15sutra.htm

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. hahaha love the analogy of the talking skull story

:yourock:

[karynnj]

41. Kennedy said nothing wrong

He telling the truth now - buit less openly than Hatch - out of respect for a fellow Democrat. the thank you was a gracious thank you to a person who did help - though not in the design or initiation.

The one caught in exaggeration is HRC.

[cbayer]

17. Choosing to endorse Obama does not mean he never supported Clinton.

There's no story here.

He has chosen a candidate, just like so many here. So what?

[jillan]

20. It's just that Teddy came out today and said that Hillary did not help create Schip.

[cbayer]

23. Oops, my bad. I didn't see that. nt.

[LisaL]

28. Pretty said, ain't it?

First, Teddy said the program wouldn't be there if it wasn't for Hillary.
And now he is flip-flopping.

[karynnj]

42. She didn't help CREATE it as a piece of legislation - she was not involved

then - she is responsible for getting it funded it - if you are willing to accept that a Democratic President would choose not to fund the program.

[jillan]

44. Of course she didn't create the legislation - she wasn't in the Senate at the time - duh! Instead

she was holding meetings and working with people to get it done.

It was a joint effort. And that is precisely why Kennedy originally praised her efforts on this.

[karynnj]

45. She did not hold meetings and work with people on it

She did that with her 1993 plan. Kerry and Kennedy and their staffers held the meetings and wrote the original bill. Kennedy then worked with Hatch (and their staffers) to create the final bill.

Nowhere does Kennedy say that HRC held meetings etc. What he was thanking her for - and what all 1997 sources say is that she was the one who pushed Bill not to leave it unfunded. Look at wht Kennedy said.

[zabet]

18. Heh.

Ol' Teddy slippin' in his
mental faculties a bit there.

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[sandnsea]

22. John Kerry wrote that and you know it

He was being kind at the time, before it became clear what kind of sleazy campaign she was going to run.

[LisaL]

27. John Kerry wrote what?

I have no clue what you are talking about.

[ProSense]

29. This:

SCHIP

[LisaL]

30. The OP has a direct quote from Ted Kennedy, in which he claims

the program wouldn't be in existance if it wasn't for Hillary.
I don't know how much more clear it can get.

[golddigger]

32. You don't get it, It doesn't matter to Obama supporters. Their blind

devotion won't let them see the truth if it smack them upside the head.

[ProSense]

34. "see the truth if it smack them upside the head" Truth: Hillary is losing. n/t

[ProSense]

33. The link provides direct quotes from Kennedy too, but from the OP: "Hillary pushing"

pushing Bill. That's not legislative experience. That's experience convincing her husband.

Still, the link was offered, the post here is for other to see, those who want to acknowledge the facts.

[karynnj]

43. Actually Kerry wrote the precursor bill,

there were significant changes made to get Hatch on board - but there are parts of the original bill taken nearly as is - such as the means to fund it and some of the other things. In contrast to HRC, Kerry has always stated his role accurately, speaking of the precursor bill - that got things started.

Kennedy, Hatch and Kerry are the people that could say they had a role in creating it.

[karynnj]

36. Kennedy gives credit for what she did - lobby her husband, the DINO President

who was willing to use his "capital" for NAFTA, but not children's health care.

No one that I have seen has failed to acknowledge that - what they didn't like was her OVERSTATING her role. There is NOTHING inconsistent in all Of Kennedy's statements. HRC, per Kennedy and Hatch, did not initiate, design or work on writing S-CHIP - though there have been claims of that level of involvement.