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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:28 PM
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Dallas Morning News political blog: Clinton: Delay the Delegate Count (Because I'll Lose)
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/03/clinton-delay-the-delegate-cou.html

The Hillary Clinton camp has tried every avenue to delay reporting on the delegates from the Texas primary. They tried to intimidate the Texas Democratic Party prior to the primary. That failed. On election night, they threw up a duststorm of objections about irregulatories. Now, the Clinton camp us urging the state party to delay the March 29 county and senate conventions, where details of how 67 delegates picked in the county caucuses will be announced.

Why are they doing this? Because they are losing.

CNN has confirmed that Barack Obama won the Texas caucuses with 38 convention delegates, compared to 29 for Clinton. The Texas primary is a complicated, two-step process. Clinton won more delegates than Obama in the popular-vote portion, 65 to 61. With his likely caucus-delegate haul, looks like Obama won the overall statewide delegate lead, 99 to 94 -- or once superdelegate endorsements are factored in, 109 to 106.

Hillary Clinton declared victory in Texas and moved on. As for these pesky details, like delegates, that's the last thing the Clinton campaign wants to talk about.

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Hillary, don't go away mad, just go away


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Clinton doesnt want to face the questions regarding bills comment if she doesnt win ohio and texas shes done. Of course she wants it delayed... at least till after PA in the hope she can use that as justification to again draw this out and damage obama as much as she can. So when she loses mcCain wins and she can go at it again in 2012. She makes me sick why doesnt someone tap her on the shoulder and say its over!

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My goodness, now the RULES are important to the Clinton campaign, the campaign that agreed to follow the DNC rules regarding Florida and Michigan -- that is until it was to their advantage to break them . . . and "steal" all the delegates in Michigan where Obama (following the rules) didn't even have his name on the ballot. And in Florida, while both Obama and Clinton agreed to follow the rules and not campaign, Hillary managed to be in Florida the night before the election to attend two highly publicized events.

Most of the "rules" broken in the above list sound pretty petty -- and would be equally broken for both candidates. Sounds to me like Hillary is trying to steal Texas delegates the way she tried to steal them in Michigan and Florida.
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It is a bad thing because the premise of the Clinton campain's argument is that Hillary wins the big states including Texas and therefore should be considered the stronger Democratic Candidate in spite of the leads Obama has amassed in states won, popular vote, and most importantly DELEGATES. The fact that the media persists in repeating Hillary's claims to a Texas victory only reinforces a reality that is not based on FACTS. The fact is by virtue of his delegate advantage, Obama won Texas and should be given credit.




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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:32 PM
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1. They're just in it to lose it... Err win it?!?!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:32 PM
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2. Wayne Slater told it like it is.
Good for him.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:33 PM
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3. She's one to talk about 'irregularities', considering HARLEM.
:mad:

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:37 AM
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5. Putting her people in charge of investigating the TX caucus
would be putting the fox in charge of guarding the chickenhouse.
Wonder what their response would be to putting someone neutral at the helm of any investigating?

And what would her people do when HRC fraud starts to pop up? Suddenly demand the investigation stop?

The three UT Austin students who were called by their precinct chair right after their on campus caucus..the ones who were told to leave their caucus' line blank in stead of writing in their candidate choice, only to find out that HRC's name was put in those 3 blank lines in the same handwriting and when called by the chair said that they did NOT support HRC. The chair called the university newspaper to report the fraud and the news made headlines.
The Dallas ex councilwoman/HRC supporter who is charged with alleged fraud when she took off running (literally) with her group's sign in sheet..making an (alleged) comment like "I need to take these home and correct them"--because there were more Obama supporters on the sheet than HRC.

Probably not a good idea to piss off Texans, Hillary...you may end up losing even more delegates when the county/state level conferences happen at the end of March.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:01 PM
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10. Hey... speaking of.. any news about the recounts in NY?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:36 PM
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4. K & R
:thumbsup:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:42 AM
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6. Bill said "She has to win Texas!"
"Put those goalposts over there, will ya?"
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:43 AM
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7. Hillary better watch what she wishes for........
On March 1,2008, the Dallas Morning News published an article with excerpts from Hillary Clinton’s Texas caucus training material.

“The control of the sign-in sheets and the announcement of the delegates allotted to each candidate are the critical functions of the Chair and Secretary. This is why it is so important that Hillary supporters hold these positions.”


Today the Daily Texan published an article showing three cases of possible voter fraud at the Jester Center caucus.

“At least three students who signed the list verified that the candidates attached to their names were not the candidates they voted for.”


It was also reported that Hillary herself instructed around 200 of her caucus leaders.

http://trailblazers.beloblog.com/archives/2008/03/caucus-strategy.html
http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2008/03/07/TopStories/Caucus.Chair.Uncovers.Discrepancies-3258732.shtml
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:44 AM
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8. She of course has a legal and technical claim to her point, but there is
the consideration of longer-term damage to her reputation.

Who is advising her to do crap like this, and why is she listening to them?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:59 PM
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9. because she wants what she wants and she doesn't care how to get it.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:02 PM
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11. "You Get What You Get and You Don't Pitch a Fit !" - my 6-year-old granddaughter
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