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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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Racism=Anger/Fear.
Whites are afraid of what they see as justifiable anger eventually coming there way from Blacks who they did wrong.

Blacks are angry over the past and present injustices AND over being feared.

Anger creates fear, fear creates anger and the whole thing cycles.

And CNN and FOX love it and feed it.

What we are seeing right now with Wright is the VERY CENTER of the racist divide in America. It is about fear and anger. This is as bad as it will get and when Obama survives this, he will have conquered.

Also, Obama will not only survive it, he will thrive on it. His message of hope and inclusion will defeat this fear/anger mongering. White people no longer want the fear and black people no longer want the anger.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:31 AM
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1. I just read that Fox put up an Obama Watch Counter
and spent 1/2 the show smearing him.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/16/95341/8823
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:33 AM
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2. He won't survive it because his response
has not been credible.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:35 AM
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3. I have never done anyone wrong.
So when you say "whites are afraid of what they see as justifiable anger eventually coming there way from Blacks who they did wrong." To whom do you refer?

As a single mom, I am working as hard as I can to get an education and get a job and pay for my children to have food on their table. I have no more control of the institution, and am at the mercy of it as much as anyone else--no matter what the person's color.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 AM
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5. Do you think there is ANY statement which could 100% cover ALL people?
IS it okay with you if I generalize slightly to make a point or do I have to change my language to cover the eventuality of you?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:42 AM
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6. What is your point?
Obama and Michelle have had the best opportunities / education / jobs America has to offer. Why is he justifiably angry?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:44 AM
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8. It's not about individuals only. You, Obama, me. Think larger pic. nt
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:44 AM
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9. Maybe driving while black?
Walking while black? Or better, the nonsense spewed right here on this board by kindergarten name-callers! ;)
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 AM
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4. How do you feel
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 AM by maddiejoan
about preachers that evangelize for political candidates from their pulpits?

For me that's the main issue here.

I don't believe the issue is being looked at appropriately here.

For me there are only two aspects to consider.

1) Wright's credibility as a religious figure regarding injecting himself into politics.
Sorry. But If I condemn a preacher when they do this for a GOP candidate, I also condemn them when it's our side.

2) Obama's credibility regarding the truth about his relationship to his self described mentor/spiritual advisor.
Is he really that unaware of Wright's commentary as he suggested? Is he really that much in disagreement?


I have zero problems with Wright's POV or his opinions on race. In fact, I probably agree with most of his statements.
I think Wright is certainly making 'racial' commentary, but I wouldn't call it "racist".

Make sense?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:43 AM
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7. Here is what Obams said that I think was a touchdown re the issue.
He said that Wright and others of his generation have a lot of anger... Anger that his generation doesn't feel in large part because they had a generation earlier that fought for so many rights.

This brilliant statement reassures people that the divisiveness and anger is not part of what he feels even though he understands where it is coming from. The fact is, we ALL know where it is coming from and it is high time it was addressed.

He responded to it perfectly.

Now, as to your questions.

1. Wright is not a political figure, so it doesn't have any direct bearing on Obama. He repudiated the statements. It's over.

2. His credibility wrt his relationship is excellent. He said he is a friend, like a family member. Is he in disagreement? Well, I suppose you would get a very different answer if you were sharing a joint with him than if you were asking at a press conference. Isn't that how it should be? Don't YOU agree privately with much of Wright said? I bet you do.

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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:52 AM
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10. fair enough
BUT

1) Wright IS a religious figure --and it effects his credibility AS a religious figure.

2) I disagree with you. Obama's response was weasly and not credible for someone with a 20 year relationship with a mentor/spiritual advisor
I've ended friendships over less fundamental differences than Obama is suggesting he has with Wright.
It doesn't ring true for me, and I don't think this is going to go away for Obama, just on his say so.

As for the rest --I said in my post that I probably agree with most of what Wright has said, which is why I find it disconcerting that Obama
would distance himself from it. It smells of hypocritical posturing and politics as usual --not a good place for Obama.

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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:17 AM
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11. Obama's Message
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:18 AM by GoldieAZ49
“I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views,” Mr. Obama wrote in “The Audacity of Hope, his I’m-running-for-president book. “As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/us/politics/24obama.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1204250736-OyKeIHRcnJN5NQfgBvbzOw&oref=slogin

Well the screen isn't blank anymore.

I am disappointed, he has spent 20 years in a church teaching divisiveness, and has intentionally hidden it for political gain. I don't need another politician that tells me what I want to hear so he can get what he needs from me, a vote.

Obama set himself above the standard politician, "transcend the politics of old, change we can believe in", and the emptiest of all "we are the ones we have been waiting for".

I am not afraid of an angry black man, get over yourself, I am angry at Obama for doing the "bamboozling and hoodwinking" that he accuses everyone and anyone else of doing.

I am angry that the press didn't do their job while democrats still had a variety of choices.

I am angry that race and accusations of being a racist has been used in an attempt to silence discussion, the press, questioning and dissent.

Yes We Can Pass On Obama without feeling guilty - That is the change we can believe in.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:23 AM
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12. "Yes We Can Pass On Obama"
Yes He Can keep the lead and get the nod!!!

Hillary isn't an option, at least not for me, or those in my circle, or those I talk to casually.

They simply see Obama as the better choice, and from the states won, to pledged delegates, to popular vote and to a positive pick up Super delegates to Clinton's negative, I'd say many out there agree.


Those are the facts. You'll be fine. This too shall pass.
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