Obama's pastor attacks Clinton for being white

[Silence Dogood]

When-oh-when are these attacks going to STOP?

Barack Obama's claim to be the candidate of racial unity was challenged yesterday by a video of his pastor and spiritual mentor condemning Hillary Clinton for being white.

Footage of the Rev Jeremiah Wright's fiery sermons dominated television network coverage after tapes were acquired from the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Mr Obama has worshipped for 20 years.

In his February 10 address Mr Wright said: "Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single-parent home. Barack was.

"Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n*****."

In another sermon he took aim at former president Bill Clinton's supposedly good relationship with the black community.

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty," the clergyman boomed.

By making a political endorsement from the pulpit, Mr Wright's outbursts may attract the attention of the Inland Revenue Service for contravening the church's tax-exempt charitable status.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/15/wobama115.xml

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Did you hear that we've landed on the moon?

[olkaz]

2. I stopped reading here...

"Barack Obama's claim to be the candidate of racial unity was challenged yesterday by a video of his pastor..."

The Pastor is not Obama. I know it's tricky, but they're separate people.

I can go into further detail if necessary.

[Drachasor]

10. I don't understand

They aren't the same? Can you make a diagram or something?

[hedgehog]

15. Well, they're both black, so it's easy to mistake one for the other....

[rodeodance]

35. Yes, it was indeed challenged and will continue to be so.

[Silence Dogood]

3. How embarrassing- our dirty laundry aired all over the UK..

[w13rd0]

19. How embarrassing...

...that you wasted one of your three posts to put this up.

And how embarrrassed were you when Bush launched a war based on lies? What the fuck ever.

[sniffa]

24. One of the habits of the no-profile DUer

[Maribelle]

38. Oh bully bully You Obama supporters are pathetic. Is that all you can do is bully?

Each and every time, it hardly ever fails, you Obama supporters cannot discusss issues unless the posts puts you widdle hero on a pedestal.

You should be ashamed that you have to protect your widdle fella so disgustingly.

[Umbram]

57. You just attacked ALL Obama supporters. Who is the bully? (nt)

[Maribelle]

70. It's called pushback. If you fail to recognize the bullying by Obama Supporters, sorry.

[rodeodance]

37. This comment about HRC has been in the press here but not the media as

far as i know.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. Are you a Christian?

Do you believe that all US Presidents must be Christians?

Have you accepted Christ as your savior?

Do you pray each day?

Under what authority do you judge the pastor?

Or are you doing this solely to tear down a fellow democrat?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. "Inland Revenue Service"

At least get the name right, you limey bastards! :eyes:

[Silence Dogood]

7. I know, they seem to have a completely different view of the issue.

what is that all about?

[malletgirl02]

72. Good Catch

Well what can you expect from the daily Torygraph?

[rodeodance]

85. I am sure they were referring to "internal"---got it now???

[Orangepeel]

5. What do you mean "stop'? It's not like he said this yesterday and it wasn't all over the news Friday

:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Silence Dogood]

9. WTF do you mean? It's the headline in the link and why I'm asking!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

60. You attack a religious leader, but use "WTF" in your messages?

Hippocrite, much?

Are you a christian?

[mtnsnake]

79. Who are you? Jerry Falwell, Jr?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

90. there's alot of criticism of a pastor, but no true "concern" about faith

Its all about Hillary's kitchen sink, which if you check, is quite nasty.

These critics care nothing about God or Jesus or any deity.

They are all hippocrits.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

65. Please share with us the story of your faith in Jesus

I am sure it is very inspiring.....

[bunnies]

8. poor, poor white people.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. :cry:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

11. Tell me about it.

You should have seen George Will on Stephanopolous this morning. I had no idea that poor, dear man was being so oppressed by black preachers. :sarcasm:

[bunnies]

17. Good thing I didnt see it.

I'd probably have to buy a new tv.

Im just blown away by how sucky some white peoples attitudes are toward this situation. Its seriously shameful. How sad.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. Yeah, you kinda expect it from people like Will.

But when so-called 'progressives' start channeling Sean Hannity, it becomes disheartening.

[bunnies]

43. You nailed it.

Disheartening is exactly what this is. I had thought that we as people and *especially* 'progressives' were farther ahead than this. Sadly, not.

[Silence Dogood]

14. I know. I, like Obama, am half white-

I'm not sure what the other half is but I'm considered black. What seems to be the problem with the Brits. I just don't get it.

[bunnies]

31. The only reason to write something like that is to stir shit up.

Wright was not attacking Hillary for being white. You'd think he screamed "kill whitey" by the way some people are reacting. Its bizarre.

[Maribelle]

49. You're the one that's stirring thing up, hero.

Lying for Wright will only make things worse.

[bunnies]

51. What the fuck are you talking about ???

Where exactly have I lied for Wright?

[Maribelle]

56. Wow- - hero - - used the 'f' word. How big and brave of you.

I am just so impressed.


Got any more filth you would like to spit out?

[bunnies]

63. Youre scary insane. Buh bye now. nt

[indimuse]

16. YOU are an ass

keep that shit up! Do you really think this won't have repercussions if Barack is the nom...He actually insinuated Natalee Holloway deserved to get raped and killed! This will fly big time with America once they here this! Obama will not survive the RW smear machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

26. YOU are a moron.

Rev. Wright insinuated no such thing about Natalee Holloway. Granted, he could have left the "she went to Aruba to live it up" part, but his point was that crimes against women of color are not given the kind of intense attention that those against pretty white women are. And you know what? He's right.

[indimuse]

83. here. goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country,

ELECTION 2008
Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

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Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com





Natalee Holloway

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

(Story continues below)


The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.


Barack Obama

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America.

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01," he wrote on page 7. "White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

Obama says he is "proud" of Wright and values their 20-year friendship.

Though Wright has nurtured Obama's political career as a close adviser and mentor, the Democrat presidential hopeful says they don't agree on everything. Wright married Obama and baptized his daughters.


Louis Farrakhan

In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, Wright sang the praises of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers."

"He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest," Wright said. "Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

Wright then held Farrakhan up as a pillar of "integrity."

"His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics," he continued. "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is splashed across the cover of the church magazine, which gushes "the Minister truly epitomized greatness."

On Nov. 2, 2007, Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a Trumpet gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. The tribute included a three-and-a-half minute video lionizing "the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan."

"For his commitment to truth, education and leadership, we honor Minister Louis Farrakhan with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Award," the video announces.

Last week, Obama distanced himself from Farrakhan, but did not distance himself from Wright or disavow his praise for Farrakhan.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

106. I heard "lives it up" on the tape.

Figures the MSM would "accidentally" mis-transcribe the comment.

[bunnies]

28. ummm. hello?

This thread is about Hillary being attacked for being white. Did you bother to read it? Take your name calling and off topic rant to someone else.

[Maribelle]

50. Practice what you preach much, hero?

[bunnies]

53. Stop stalking me. Hero. nt

[Maribelle]

61. You're all over this thread. Why are you stalking the thread?

You did not start this OP - yet you're all over it, hero. Why?

[bunnies]

66. Because conversations with insane people amuse me.

[Maribelle]

71. I fail to see any post where you have tried to conduct a conversation.

Say honest, hero.

[bunnies]

75. Why are you obsessed with calling people "hero"?

Am I your hero? awww. How sweet.

[Forkboy]

44. I can't take you seriously because you were two exclamation points short.

[Bluerthanblue]

78. you are looking for ways in which to take offense. You won't

have any trouble finding what you want.

Rev.Wright's words did NOT say she deserved to get raped and murdered. You have a reason to be troubled by his words, but your credibility is zip when you put YOUR words into his mouth.

If you are not aware of the fact that the media reports the incidents of well to do, white, attractive women (and men) in a much different way than they do Black citizens who are no less in need of the public attention, I don't know what cave you live in.

Princess Di- JFK jr- Natalie- Anna Nichole- Stacey Peterson- Jessica Lynch- Elizabeth Smart- Jon Benet Ramsey- Chandra Levy- The list is too long and complex to begin to name- Each of these people became media GODS- and we were subjected to hearing their names and stories over and over again for how long?
Can you name me any people of color who have been given such coverage? It happens for the negative cases- Michael Vick, Barry Bonds, Michael Jackson, OJ- but how about Shoshana Johnson? or young Charles Evans? what about countless others who's names we don't know- who's stories are not even in the news, except as an aside?


Please do some soul-searching. You claim it is the "RW smear" machine that Obama won't survive. Are you being honest with yourself? Are you holding Rev. Wright against Obama yourself?


peace~

[otohara]

82. Or The Left Wing

Rev. Wright is a problem. Besides doing the Jesus thing, his feels the need to point out the white vs black problem with this country. If you think about it, you might be able to understand why the black community is pissed off. Remember the months long media circus surrounding this one girl and how missing, dead, raped AA girls are completely invisible to the media, this country. That was the message. The girls in his community get called names by white media (don imus) and are degraded all the time.

[Maribelle]

47. There are many poor white people in this country. How hateful. You should be ashamed of yourself.

But then, you're an Obama supporter who only can spit out hate, correct hero?

[bunnies]

59. Im beginning to think you entirely lack cognitive reasoning skills.

Either that, or your delusional. Which is it? :shrug:

[jenmito]

12. Please point out where he attacked her rather than pointed out facts.

:eyes:

[QC]

25. Is it a fact that she "gave it up"?

If you have information of that nature, you really should let law enforcement know about it.

It's correct to say that the media frenzy over the case had to do with the victim being white and attractive, but implying that she was running around the island hosting gangbangs is over the top, especially for a man who claims to be a pastor.

[jenmito]

32. The title of the OP says Wright attacked CLINTON. What did he say about her that wasn't true?

[LisaL]

27. Facts?

Why exactly does it need to be pointed out at all?
You think no one could figure it out Hillary doesn't know what its like to be a (black) man?
Well, I doubt Obama knows what its like to be a woman.

[jenmito]

33. The facts were pointed out about Hillary. They weren't attacks on Hillary. He was

pointing out how much harder it was for a black person to grow up in America than a white person.

[LisaL]

34. And I suppose going to the best schools, including Harvard, must

be really tough on someone.

[jenmito]

40. Um, he got there after being raised by a teenage mother, whose father left when he was 2...

and got there ANYWAY. He didn't get there thanks to his family name or money. That's for sure!

[LisaL]

48. I wonder how he got there, considering America is such a mean

country and all.

[jenmito]

81. Perseverance, intelligence, drive....he got there DESPITE his race and circumstances.

Like it or not.

[TriMetFan]

89. When you say Obama was raised by a teenage mom,

you make it sound like she was 13 to 15 yrs old. It also sounds to me like she was some dumb young women, and that is far from the truth. Even though his parents divorced when he was 2 his mom got remarried. When his mother left him in Hawaii to be raised by his grandparents, that was his choice right? Obama was in high school by that time. Also those grandparents were white.:shrug: So why does Obama supporters always make it sound like he was raised in the ghetto? The man was raised in a middle class white home. I think every one has forgotten that Obama is part white. I even think that he has forgot that fact too. If Obama is willing to listen to a friend that is also his preacher say controversial things like "G-- damned America and United white American" again I say Obama is willing to toss his white side under the bus. just my .2

[jenmito]

93. Um, she WAS a teenager. Who "makes it sound like she was 13 to 15"? That's ridiculous.

She was pregnant with him when she was 18 and had him when she was nineTEEN. Obama says in almost all his speeches he was raised by his mother AND grandparents. His WHITE mother. His WHITE grandparents. WHO made it sound like he was raised in the ghetto? Where do you GET this stuff??? He was a BLACK kid raised by WHITE people. That gave him confused feelings when he was growing up and he talks about this in his book. How do you think people looked at his family back then when prejudice was way more blatant than it is now??? You obviously have never listened to any of his speeches or you'd know everything you just said is false.

[TriMetFan]

95. Back in the 60's to have is kid at 18 to 19 as

a women was not a big deal. As a matter of fact when my mom had me she was 24 (1962) and that was thought as being old to have your first child. I'm also part black and I didn't grow up having "confused" feelings about who I was. So if he was having "confused feeling" as an adult, then he was never able to except his white side. Again just my .2.
Also I was for Obama from the beginning, so I have listened to his speeches. Obama is a Great speaker. I have always thought the man sounded little like JFK mixed with MLK. So don't try to tell me that I have never listened to him. I even have given Obama money, but I'm not willing to run with blinders on like others do. I will say this much, that at this time I do support Hillary, but if Obama is our nominee I will vote for him holding my nose and with my eyes closed and praying to my keeper that Obama doesn't screw up our Nation even more, because I sure don't want another repuke in the White House.

[jenmito]

98. She was white and he was black. Father left. BIG disadvantage.

If you DID listen to his speeches, you didn't pay attention. He did NOT throw his white mother/grandparents under the bus.

[TriMetFan]

103. So his father left.

My parents were divorced by the time I was 4. Also my mom remarried when I was 10. Obama also had a stepfather for some time. By the time Obama was ready to go to high school that is when he moved in with his grandparents and why because he didn't want to go with his mom back to Asia. Obama's sister Maya even talks about this. And yes I do think Obama has tossed his white side under the bus. Why because he is willing to have a friend that was is his preacher and also served on the African American Religious Leadership Committee for Obama that has made it sound like All Whites are evil. Again just my .2.

[jenmito]

105. Did you become a leading presidential candidate? No? Was your father

Black? Was your mother white? Was your step-father black? Did you have an identity crisis growing up because of circumstances similar to Obama's? Because if not, nothing you said is comparable. And I see nothing wrong with Obama going to his church while still loving and respecting the white side of his family. He ALWAYS talks about his family.

[TriMetFan]

108. No my father is not black but he is white.............

mother is black and stepfather is white. But like I said I didn't have a identity crisis growing up because I knew who I was and I'm damn proud of who I'm. I'm not the one making excuses for the way I was raised. And I also don't go to a Church were they speak about "White American" being at fault for everything wrong with America. So again I still think he has thrown his white side under the bus, because he is willing to go to that type of Church.

[Eurobabe]

13. Hmm, no profile, why disabled?

An incarnated troll perhaps? :shrug: C'ya!

Flamebait thread.

[stray cat]

18. I thought he said Hillary didn't know what it was to be a black man?

Does she have experience being black that she hasn't mentioned? If someone says I don't know what its like to be a black man am I being condemened for being a white woman or just being told I don't have that experience?

[stray cat]

21. I'm curious how many white females believe they know what its like to be a black man?

Any takers? The same goes for men thinking they know what its like being a woman and visa versa.

[LisaL]

22. Is there something wrong with being a white woman?

Why would she need the experience of knowing what its like to be a black man?
Hey, I got a clue for you-she probably doesn't know what its like to be a white man either.

[ngant17]

23. this horse is dead, quit beating it

FYI Obama's pastor is not Rev. Wright, I believe it is Rev. Moss of the Trinity UCC. Wright retired already.

Also note the UCC is defending the statements of Rev. Wright, and it is not for Obama as a politician to interfere in the policies of religious discipline or any of the decisions by the United Church of Christ, it is called "separation between church and state".

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

29. What an utter mischaracterization of that quote.

He wasn't "condemning" Hillary for being white. Give me a f'in break.

Why don't you tell me exactly what you disagree with in this quote:

"Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n*****."

[LisaL]

30. What exactly is the point of saying that?

Does Barack know what it's like to be a woman?
Does it need to be pointed out, otherwise no one could possibly figure that out?

[casus belli]

41. I've actually heard that argument made...

I have a co-worker who supports Hillary who told me that she couldn't vote for Obama with a viable woman candidate because no male can understand the unique challenges faced by women in society. She doesn't feel that her interests would best be served by a male candidate. I don't really have a counterpoint to that, except to say, if being able to identify with the situation of every person you represent in politics is a requirement for running, well then we're always going to be falling short. But, I do think that it's our nature to go with a candidate who we identify with, and who has a message that speaks to us. Because of that, I can't really fault her for her choice.

[casus belli]

36. "Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country..."

"...and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n*****."

Not only do I not see that as an attack, but I would challenge you to point out what is untrue about that statement.

[AZBlue]

39. Um, where exactly did he "attack her for being white"? And what did he say that was untrue?

[jillan]

42. That Obama doesn't know what it is like to be privledged.

He went to private schools, went to Yale.

Most Americans go to public schools, and state colleges --- if they are lucky.

[AZBlue]

87. So...white = priviledge and black = state schools (if they are lucky)?

Wow...the racism here gets deeper and deeper each day.

[jillan]

99. Hello - Barack and Michelle went to Ivy League schools,

How can they say they are not privledged?

Most kids go to state Universities...black kids, white kids, brown kids, purple kids, etc. And those are the lucky ones, because there are lots of families - of all races and religions - that cannot even afford to send their kids to any higher education.

When someone reads racism into a comment that was not racist at all - I have to wonder what causes them to do so. Why would they be so overly sensitive?

[Maribelle]

45. I found they way he said it was a direct attempt at insulting Hillary. That was the attack.

True or not true is not really the issue, when a man of the cloth bellows out in such a hateful rhetorical manner. The he turns around and sells the recording of his hate rant?

Something is terribly wrong with the visuals of a POTUS supporting this hate.

[AZBlue]

86. "True or not true is not really the issue"

That really is the crux of the problem here.

As for "hate" - show what's so hateful about it? Just because you want to say it's hateful doesn't make it so.

[LisaL]

46. I guess he was just complementing Hillary when he talked about

Bill (and I don't want to repeat what he said).
Figures.

[AZBlue]

88. They are two separate people - comments about one does not reflect the other.

Also - why don't you show how Bill Clinton really helped the black US population?

[PerfectSage]

52. Duuuuuuuh. Sounds to me like he's attacking Hillary for having no empathy.

Silence Dogood is a nigger.
How does it feel to know that I have an infinite amout of contempt for you.

Got empathy yet?

[MonkeyFunk]

54. And Barack ain't never been called a bitch

everyone's got their cross to bear.

[BlackVelvet04]

73. or a c**t......

yes, everyone has their cross to bear.

[MonkeyFunk]

77. I had initially written that

but thought better of it.

[MethuenProgressive]

92. We don't know that for sure.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

55. REC

[Brandnewday]

62. Outrageous

This race-baiting makes me sick to my stomach. Obama did good in condemning this individual.

[cooolandrew]

64. Yes and being white is something Obama has in common in part so the point.

[BlooInBloo]

67. White folks' dream candidate.... angry scary black man as a candidate....

... and he knows other angry scary black men.

LOLOL

Hey white women - WATCH OUT.


EDIT: It's funny because a lotta white folks are torn. On the one hand they want to support their fellow white person in decrying "reverse racism", but on the other hand they don't want to *appear* to not support Obama. So instead, they'll just be very "serious" and "troubled" about the entire made-up "issue".

[cooolandrew]

68. This is like ancient new now, next you wil tell us about Monica.

[LisaL]

69. Tell you about Monica?

Obama's pastor already did that, didn't you read the OP?

[Maribelle]

74. 'He was riding dirty' - - that's a terrible thing for a man of the cloth to say.

[bowens43]

76. This all irrelevent bullshit but it's all you hillary supporters have. nt

[mtnsnake]

80. That Obama chose this guy for 20 years is pretty pretty revealing

Yes it is.

K&R!

[rodeodance]

84. That is the Catch 22--BO says he will trancend racial politics but we see him embedded in them.

[shayes51]

96. exactly

[Quixote1818]

97. From what I understand, Wright got more political once Obama started running for President

He simply felt a connection to Obama and was supporting him. Not the kind of thing Ministers should do but he is human and looking out for his friend.

[Tellurian]

101. This is the main reason Obama's word is meaningless..

Once he ascends the throne of power, he will ignore people as if they are invisible. Obama cannot and should not be TRUSTED with this much authority.

[cooolandrew]

91. Obama is half white and entitled to as much ingidnation as anyone.

[anonymous171]

94. whoopty-fucking-do.

OH NOES! THE POOR WHITE WOMAN IS BEING ATTACKED! BOO-HOO!

[Tellurian]

102. Why should anyone be attacked?

Obama is embracing the 'politics of personal destruction'..

[anonymous171]

104. lol new clinton talking point.

You guys should really start a union...

[TexasLady]

100. I can hardly wait for Monday to get here

Who knows what nasty and slimy political mud will begin anew in the morning on MSM.

[backscatter712]

107. Get over yourself, bigot.

You keep bringing it up, so you can blow your dog whistle.

Down a few octaves, you're saying "The n^$$#$s are getting uppity, better string one and make an example of him.

Why don't you burn a cross on his lawn while you're at it.

Racist prick.