Idea of Woman President: "This is Big Time Change" - Pittsburgh Post

[LulaMay]

Idea of woman president: 'This is big-time change'
Saturday, March 15, 2008
By Dan Majors, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


To a number of the people packed into Soldiers & Sailors Military Museum and Memorial yesterday evening, this was more than just another politician on the campaign stump.

This was history, unfolding right up there on the stage, right before their eyes.

A woman who might be elected president of the United States.


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"To be honest, no, I never thought I'd see the day," said Audrey Johnston, 76, of Scott, who attended Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's speech with her daughter, JoAnn Ferraiuolo, 56, of North Versailles.

"The good ol' boys club always seemed to have their say," said Ms. Johnston, a retired food service manager. "To come this far and see a woman candidate, this is change. This is big-time change." ......
"The last time I was this excited about a candidate, it was probably John Kennedy," Ms. Johnston said.


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Janice Sarich, a retired factory worker and waitress from Penn Hills, brought her own sign, made of two pieces of cardboard held together by a swatch of duct tape. But the message on it was the same as that on the professionally produced placards: "Hillary for President 2008."

"I'm 65 years old, and I probably won't see another woman run," said Ms. Sarich, whose priority is health care. "I want to see a woman in the White House.

"Personally, I'm on my way out. I'm not looking out for me. But young people today are not well taken care of. There's nothing for them."


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Virginia Fragale, 68, a retired social worker and attorney, attended the speech with her friend, Judy Leitch, 70. Ms. Fragale said she would have walked from her home in O'Hara to see Mrs. Clinton....

"Because I think she's the right person to lead our country at this point in time," Ms. Fragale said. "And it's a historic event that we have a woman running for president, when women didn't get the vote until 1920. I didn't think I'd see it. Not in my lifetime.".....

"I'd like to see Hillary Clinton be president of the United States. And she happens to be a woman, and that's icing on the cake."


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08075/865493-176.stm

[LordJFT]

1. Is having a black person as president not big time change?

[indimuse]

5. HE is still a MAN!

hellllllooooooo why is everything race?

[indimuse]

6. K&R!!!

THAT's CHANGE!

[OhioBlue]

70. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton is not change. n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

7. Why is everything gender?

[joshcryer]

15. Uh, because the equality gap is more significant between gender than race.

Women get shit on more than men, this is irrefutable.

You can go "oh black people have it worse off." But then the fact remains that "black women have it worse off than black men."

As a group women are more oppressed than men, the obsession with race only makes the problem worse. Veiled sexism.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

19. I was pointing out the poster's point of "everything being about race."

I wasn't disputing the existence of sexism, but rather the zero-sum game we seem to play here regarding both sexism and racism.

[LordJFT]

28. how so?

You can also go "oh women have it worse off." But the fact remains that black women hav it worse off than black men. So can you not see how ridiculous that argument is? Also there are more female senators, representatives and governors than there are black ones, even when you take into consideration the fact that black people make up a smaller portion of the population than women.

[indimuse]

49. yes. from the beginning of time..

in most cultures!

[NJObamaWoman]

22. as a black woman I believe obama represents more change

[krawhitham]

23. She is still WHITE

hellllllooooooo why is everything gender?

[indimuse]

50. go away.

.

[MediaBabe]

51. Because GENDER is the TOPIC - Hellooo???

Can't stick to the topic for even a minute?

[Exilednight]

63. The topic isn't about gender, it's about change.

[LordJFT]

27. and she is still white! and hello why is everything gender?

Seriously can't we just be happy that both an obama and a clinton presidency would be historic and not try to elevate one big change above the other?

edit: sorry krawhitam I just noticed that I copied you, but nevertheless I think it needs to be said twice

[Exilednight]

62. SHE IS STILL WHITE!!!!

hellllloooooo why is everything gender?

[cottonseed]

43. Yes it is. As is having a female as President.

I'm hoping Obama gets the nomination, but as far as breaking the "mold", both candidates are big time change.

[muntrv]

2. The good ole' boys club also had their say about excluding blacks, Audrey Johnston.

[The River]

3. I'm All For a Female President

I just want a truly liberated one who didn't
use her husbands popularity as a political vehicle.
Maybe one who hasn't advanced in life by playing the victim.

"I hate when women identify as victims, act like victims, and love victims. And Hillary, as strong as she is, wins as a victim. That is the trajectory of her career. I am a victim. Punch. So why are women whining and the identifying with being the victim again? This is so un-Tina! Hillary was the victim of an oppressive media? Of being asked the first question? Poor baby. All that good coverage on Obama was about being the victor of 11 primaries in a row -- excuse us! And is Barack playing the victim of a real calumny? On Clinton's answer to the known question: "Are you a Muslim?" "Not as far as I know?" Are you not ashamed?"

It's not like its Hillary in '08 or no other woman will ever run or win.
As the author says:

"What about my generation's desperation that there will never be another female candidate? Why? Is our gender about to die out? Do you all know something I don't? I can understand the 80-year-olds, I guess. But to me, Hillary Clinton is merely the first credible candidate, and the most flawed. And the only one not to rise on her own coattails, which is the real reason she doesn't appeal to both me and many young, yes, in their own way, feminists. And what about Claire McCaskill? She's great! And she just emerged this year! Why do we act like Hillary is our last great chance? How damaged and pathetic. I see fantastic women in their 30s all the time. To wit, Chelsea's undamaged generation. Not polarizing, like us ceiling crashers. I can sympathize, I am, too."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynda-obst/women-of-my-generation-ha_b_91468.html

[IndianaGreen]

9. I vote for Barbara Boxer

Now, that's a woman I would support!

[libbygurl]

34. She isn't running. Keep waiting.

[krkaufman]

76. Her's is the first name that pops into my mind when I think of someone I'd like to see run

And it's not like Margaret Thatcher hasn't already demonstrated the faulty logic of a woman President necessarily signifying positive change.

[okasha]

26. How do you feel about a man running as a victim

of racism while owing a boost to old white men like Ted Kennedy?

[TahitiNut]

65. What a vile post. Despicable.

It touches all the bases of racism, ageism, and sexism. Reprehensible!

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[okasha]

68. So you feel fine with it?

Can you answer a question, or is your only response to resort to mechanical invective?

(BTW, there's another poster who has a copyright on "Despicable." Just though you'd like to know.)

[JAbuchan08]

72. How do you feel about a woman running on victimisation

while running a racist and misandrist campaign?

[murielm99]

4. Thank you for this post.

It's too bad the Obamites had to shit all over it. How immature.

[Name removed]

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[rodeodance]

12. SHAME ON YOU-- your elitest attitude--Insultin WOMEN VOTERS!

[IndianaGreen]

14. Just the old ones that aren't even curious to inform themselves of the issues

or of a candidate's background. Based on what these old women told the interviewer, they are no different from those white men that voted for Jesse Helms just because he was a white man.

[rodeodance]

24. you KNOW Nothing about these voters Yet you INSULT THEM.

[libbygurl]

32. Ageism, too! The fun never ends.

You know precisely why they're voting for her - and that she's a woman is the ONLY reason for their votes? You got some extra-special ESP there, buddy.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Have even read the article?

Or do you spout shit without thinking?

[libbygurl]

36. I read it, even posted it elsewhere, smarty. That may have been the slant of the story,

...but that is not everything to it. 'Icing on the cake' tells it better.

[rodeodance]

39. Yes I have and- you are mocking elderly women

[IndianaGreen]

42. Only the low info ones

and they deserve a reamer!

[rodeodance]

45. Have

you noticed anything new?

[Dinger]

10. Another LulaMay Home Run!!!!

:loveya:

[rodeodance]

11. Great post. thanks.

[cali]

13. Sorry, if her name wasn't HIllary Clinton and she wasn't married

to a former President,it's unlikely she'd be a contender for the nomination. I look forward to the day when a woman runs on her own achievements and record, and not one that she shares with her spouse who was President.

[LisaL]

16. Judging by a level of sexism in this country, I am afraid you will

have to wait a very long time.
Don't hold your breath.

[joshcryer]

17. Yes, it's obvious that the country is still more sexist than it is racist.

People say it's about the issues but the divide is clear. The status quo is afraid of a woman president.

[cali]

20. One word for you: Katrina.

[JAbuchan08]

73. yeah, we named Katrina after a woman

that proves this country is more sexist. Scarlett O'Hillary and her supporters were extremely upset about that :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

18. I am old enough to remember Margaret Chase Smith running for President

and Shirley Chisholm, and unfortunately Barbara Dole.

[maddiejoan]

31. obviously she wouldn't be the '08 nominee

she'd no doubt have been our 42nd President --and they can only have 2 terms.

[K Gardner]

21. Forgot to mention she is a liar and a cheat. Kinda takes the glory out, but yeah, there you go again

[rodeodance]

25. Yes, BO is a Lier and has to cheat by race-baiting to get the nomination

[anonymous171]

29. When a woman isn't running as a woman but as a presidential candidate,we will have a woman president

[rodeodance]

58. "When a Black man isn't running as a Black man but as a presidential candidate

we will have a Black man as president"

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. ...

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

61. ......

:toast: :toast: :toast:

[JAbuchan08]

74. He tried not running as a black man

but you people wouldn't let it work that way.

[rodeodance]

30. Nice to hear for real voters out there.

[bunnies]

33. Im sorry... but genitalia isnt enough of a change for me.

Its about whats between the ears, not whats between the legs.

[Cameron27]

37. That's true,

and that's the reason that I'm proud to support HRC as the first woman president of the US.

[rodeodance]

38. Hillary Clinton has strong policies --and the ability to carry them out.

[IndianaGreen]

40. Yep, she will launch a nuclear first strike on Iran, as she suggested to AIPAC in 2007

I don't want that genocidal maniac anywhere near the nuclear button!

[rodeodance]

60. ha ha. you are out of it.

[IndianaGreen]

66. Read it and weep

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3423529&mesg_id=3423594

[GarbagemanLB]

41. because she's a 'fighter'? Or is it because she works the night shift?

[rodeodance]

44. You keep walking over her grave for several months now. What does that tell you? It

tells you she is strong. and you are WRONG. suck on that one

[GarbagemanLB]

47. It tells me that the establishment candidate is very powerful and a lot of politicians owe her favor

s. It also tells me that she is arrogant to think she can still win this (or worse, that she is OWED it), by staying in it for this long.

[rodeodance]

48. always looking for excuses . She is strong on her own merit. and you know it. It is scary to you.

[GarbagemanLB]

52. On her OWN merits? That's rich! If by marrying a governor and president is 'your own merits' you're

right. :rofl: :rofl:

[rodeodance]

54. Rovian talking points--that is all you got. shameful

On her OWN merits? That's rich! If by marrying a governor and president is 'your own merits' you're

right. :rofl: :rofl:

[JAbuchan08]

75. what merits than?

she keeps extolling them, but all I hear are timid half-measures that are negated by her GOP pandering.

[OhioBlue]

71. she has proven that she doesn't have the ability to carry them out

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

46. Flixclep

:shrug:

[Ellen Forradalom]

53. This isn't an identity-politics race to the bottom, folks

Anyway you look at it, we're looking at big-time change.

[rodeodance]

55. GOOD---This is from PA:-)

[LulaMay]

56. Yup. :-)

[Forkboy]

57. Both represent big time change symbolically.

Neither represents big time change from the same status quo that's driving us over a cliff.

[abq e streeter]

64. I am thrilled at the idea of a woman president. Its about time ...

and being first lady is exactly the kind of experience needed to be qualified to be president. That's why I'm proudly supporting the ticket of Nancy Reagan and Laura Bush.

[IndianaGreen]

67. Cynthia McKinney has experience, she is Black, and she is a woman

If we use gender as the primary reason for voting, McKinney has Hillary beat when you add all the other stuff.

[abq e streeter]

69. I'm right there with you; but couldn't get the sarcasm icon to work in my post

hoped it wouldn't be needed re: "supporting" Nancy and Laura.. Just taking the "vote for Hillary because its time for a woman" argument to its logical, ridiculous conclusion... By the way, also right with you re: Barbara Boxer; I'd vote for her in a heartbeat....