HRC wants "eligibility of an estimated 1 million caucus-goers are double checked". in TX

[rainbow4321]

Um, yeah, that won't take long at all. Might actually be done by the time Obama gives his inaugeration speech in January.

To put the number of Texans who caucused in perspective..the article says that the # of Texans who caucused "was more than four times the estimated 220,000 who attended Iowa's first-in-the nation presidential contest".

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/031708dnpoltxconventions.c4169f.html



In a letter sent to the state Democratic Party late Friday, the Clinton campaign requests the March 29 count and state Senate district conventions be postponed until the eligibility of an estimated 1 million caucus-goers are double checked.

The Clinton campaign wrote they received more than 2,000 complaints of violations following the historic Texas turnout, which was perhaps the nation's largest caucus ever.

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In a statement Saturday, Obama spokesman Dan Pfeiffer said, "We don't think that the record-breaking number of Texans who stood up to be counted on March 4 would appreciate the Clinton campaign's attempt to disenfranchise them and silence their voices just because the outcome wasn't politically beneficial to Senator Clinton."

Clinton campaign spokeswoman Adrienne Elrod, when asked if a lawsuit would be filed or considered if state party officials did not postpone their conventions, said Saturday that, "We believe that we can work with the party to find a resolution that protects the wishes of every Texas voter and ensures that no one was disenfranchised."

[thevoiceofreason]

1. Garry Mauro is a wuss and doesn't know the rules

The procedure is in place -- the senatorial convention credentials committee handles this -- and quite well, thank you very much.

[Kittycat]

4. Would you mind expanding on that?

I'm not from TX, and would like to understand more about the rules in place there as it might refer to this case.

[thevoiceofreason]

32. In Texas, we will have county/state senate district conventions on 3/29

Each convention has a credentials comittee to check the validity of each caucuser and delegate. Plus, in Texas it is state law that the conventions on this next level take place on 3/29.

He's a light-weight lawyer too.

[rainbow4321]

31. He showed his ignorance about TX pre-Super Tuesday

Insisting that HRC had TX in her win column because she would carry South TX's **primary votes**. ONE word, dude: DELEGATES...they would be up HERE in NORTH Texas.
Has she fired him yet?? Or the people around her that waited til 2 weeks before our primary day to notice the hybrid system?

Is she sure that all these advisors of hers aren't really Obama supporters? Cuz with advisors like these, who needs enemies?

[dsc]

2. provided there isn't a huge fraud problem

it would take a very short time. Randomly pick 1000 names from the lists and check those. If they check out to a predetermened low enough error rate then approve the whole list, otherwise then it will take some time.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Obama eliminated his primary challengers

in his first race for the state senate by challenging their signatures. He knocked the incumbent out of hte ract that way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Three years later, a congressman from the South Side of Chicago was convicted of having sex with a minor. A Democratic state senator from his district, Alice L. Palmer, decided to run for the seat. Carol Anne Harwell, Mr. Obama’s first campaign manager, said Ms. Palmer invited Mr. Obama, then 35, to run for her seat.

But after losing in the primary, Ms. Palmer had second thoughts. A delegation of her supporters asked Mr. Obama to step aside. He not only declined, but his campaign staff challenged the signatures on Ms. Palmer’s campaign petitions and kept her off the ballot. It was nothing personal: They did the same thing to every other Democrat in the race.

“He knocked off the incumbent, so that right there gave him some notoriety,” said Ron Davis, who served as Mr. Obama’s precinct coordinator. “And he ran unopposed — which for a rookie is unheard of.”

[maddiejoan]

5. How DARE Clinton

engage in this Obamaian tactic!

[KittyWampus]

9. it's not just this tactic. There are MANY ways Clinton is trying to invalidate legal caucus results

in Texas.

It is unsupportable.

[maddiejoan]

I'm sure you can back that assertion up

somehow?

[qazplm]

20. when was the last time

Obama challenged a caucus?

Because I seem to see you saying he challenged an apparently last minute petition.

You surely cant be equating the two because that would be, well, just plain batshit crazy.

So clearly Obama must have challenged an actual voting process and I am curious as to when that was.

[maddiejoan]

Seriously

I've noticed many Obama supporters lack a sense of humor.

Not all certainly--but enough to make me wonder what that's about.

Any thoughts on that?

[qazplm]

24. not sure

what that has to do with me since I didnt vote for Obama and am planning on voting for whomever wins the Dem nomination.

But ok. I was interested in seeing your response, but your lack of one is not surprising.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. What's different?

Clinton wants to challenge the signatures to make sure the names are valid voters. That's exactly what Obama did.

[qazplm]

25. lol

the sun rose in texas just like it rose in Iraq, so what's different?

Is that the logic train you are conducting?

If so, very sad.

There is a tremendous difference between a party sponsored and supervised caucus election with oversight by both campaigns as well as the state party...

and a private, organization run and sponsored petition-drive with no oversight from anyone.

One, at least in the Dem party, is a bit more reliable than the other, historically and logically speaking.

You can pick a petition drive if you want to.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. If it's reliable

then you have nothing to fear.

But I think you're pretending the difference between the two is much bigger than it is. Obama challenged the legitimacy of signatures. That's what Clinton wants to do.

Frankly, I think it's hilarious that Obama supporters are perfectly fine with one and assail the other. It's the height of hypocrisy.

[KittyWampus]

6. this is part of a larger Clinton strategy to invalidate Texas Caucus results. How any Democrat can s

continue to support her at this point, is beyond me.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. How you can fail to see your own hypocrisy

is, at this point, beyond me.

[Kittycat]

7. Petitions vs. Caucus = totally different

[MonkeyFunk]

11. I didn't say they were the same thing

but challenging the validity of signatures is something Obama is rather well-known for. What's wrong with Clinton doing the same thing? Don't you want to make sure the caucus is legitimate?

[qazplm]

26. doing something once

is something you are very well known for?

Goodness I hope not or those youthful indiscretions of mine are much more widely known than I hoped!

[MonkeyFunk]

30. I knew he did it

and I've never met the man. The people quoted in the article seem to think it was a notable feat.


Nonetheless, you guys are just showing everybody your bald hypocrisy.

[Rageneau]

14. How DARE Hillary do what Obama has done! It's unfair.

Obama challenging voters' signatures to win and election is one thing. But Hiullary challenging voters' signatures is something else entirely.

In the one case, it is Hillary doing it, so it has to be wrong.

In the other case, it is Obama doing it, so it has to be wright.

[qazplm]

19. challenge away

Id love to see what happens when it turns out the reports of violations were a little "off"

[IndianaGreen]

8. I want to see Hillary's tax returns from 2001-07, and her earmarks list

then we will talk.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. Yeah, so you've said

but that's not what we're discussing here. I don't know why you think spamming unrelated threads is productive.

I might start going into every thread and asking about Obama's admitted drug use. Ya know, just cuz I can.

[dkf]

10. Then I say the primary vote should be checked to make sure

no dead person voted. Yeah.

And lets verify all those California and New York voters too.

:puke: :puke:

[azmouse]

12. Smells like desperation.

What won't she do to try to steal the nomination?

[Bullet1987]

13. They're trying anything they can to dent Obama's ever growing lead

it's so funny to watch them try to establish artificial roadblocks.

[XemaSab]

16. Couldn't this bite her in the ass?

Doesn't she run the risk of throwing out some of her own supporters there? :shrug:

[Frank Booth]

17. Don't allow the votes to be counted!!

Oh, wait. Sorry, I got my Republican and Democratic talking points mixed up.

[Cha]

21. Yeah, and how is Texas going to respond

to hilary's loser with lawyers demand?

[cooolandrew]

22. Here HRC goes don't mess with Texas. Could that be the lady singing at last.

[annie1]

27. Good for her.

[120cars]

29. This idea wouldn't hurt

If everything was done fairly nobody has anything to lose.

[Hoof Hearted]

33. Talk Left: Another Report of Improper Obama Caucus Tactics

Talk Left: Another Report of Improper Obama Caucus Tactics

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/12/155450/725
http://www.eagletribune.com/puopinion/local_story_074062506.html

Yeah, funky shit went down and the TX caucuses were an unmitigated disaster in many places. She should shine light on his shady tactics.