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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:28 PM
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Obama is a Liability
He has shown to the American people that he is a political opportunist and sold his friends, church, supporters, and independents down a crooked road.

His arrogance alone had many Americans turned off by his fake rhetoric. Now, he has offended one to many of the mainstream voters who can finally see what this guy is really about.

Hillary made a mistake in offering Obama the VP in the first place. Thank God, he is arrogant enough to turn it down. Obama's message is flawed, his campaigned is damaged, and he will finally come to realize that the majority of voters are not going to buy into his crap any longer.

The democratic party knows this all too well, and will nominate Clinton, purely on the basis of electability. The republican machine will go after Obama full steam. Obama is a complete liability to democratic party; if the Wright story came out even a month ago, Hillary would be far ahead, and the democratic party knows this. So don't kid yourselves that Obama is electable, he simply isn't; and Obama and his supporters have nobody to blame but themselves.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:29 PM
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1. Whatcha smokin', and can I have some? nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:36 PM
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17. Not the good organic stuff from what I read
Something artificially manufactured by using drano
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:30 PM
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2. Why, exactly, is Hillary offering him the VP slot when he is AHEAD in all categories? Isn't THAT its
elf arrogant?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:30 PM
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3. 'least 'Bama don't cry
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:30 PM
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4. Sold his church?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 03:31 PM by tabatha
but he said he would still attend.

Sold his pastor - he said he only objected to objectionable comments, but he still supported him.

Hillary was in the position to offer Obama the VP?

Your logic is illogical.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:32 PM
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5. The Rev Wright Issue is Not Over
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 03:33 PM by BeatleBoot
By any means.

It just broke through and into the MSM.





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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:36 PM
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16. Keeping in mind the general population couldn't name the members
of the Supreme Court if their lives depended on it.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:38 PM
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20. McCain camp disputes Wright-Parsley comparison
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:38 PM
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22. You're right. It's not over but
something else will come up that will overshadow the Wright business This is the age of the 24 hr news cycle, and unless you're a young white dead girl, the cycle moves on. This has a limited life span until the general.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:53 PM
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31. pick up an actual newspaper sometime...
The Rev Wright issue is barely an issue at all.


Most of the world doesn't live on DU, unfortunately for you.

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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:23 AM
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71. it will be verrry soooon
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:32 PM
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6. Arrogance is LOSING, and offering the one who is WINNING ...
... the second place slot.

As for "knowing" that Obama isn't electable, perhaps we should dispense with an election completely, and simply defer to your prescient judgment.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:33 PM
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10. Never Confuse Arrogance
with Confidence.

Life has taught me that.



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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:37 PM
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18. The OP stated that Obama was "arrogant" in not ...
... accepting the notion of the VP spot behind Hillary. Why is THAT "arrogance", and not confidence in his own ability to win the nomination - especially in light of the fact that HE'S winning, and SHE'S losing?

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:39 PM
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24. Because to the poster you're responiding to, everything Hillary
does in that vain, is simply confidence and everything Obama does is arrogance.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:42 PM
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28. Ooops!
I forgot the Hillary Rules of Engagement - yet again!

Thanks, cali! :hi:
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:51 PM
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30. Never Confuse Arrogance with Confidence
Life has taught me that.

That's all.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:32 PM
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It must be pretty cramped under that bus with all those folks down there... /nt
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:32 PM
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7. How is REDFISHBLUEFISH doing?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:41 PM
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26. LOL! nt
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:33 PM
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8. You ever get dizzy from all that spinning?

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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:33 PM
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9. You doth project too much.
Hillary Clinton is the liability. Sorry.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:34 PM
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11. "don't kid yourself"
Ironic.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:34 PM
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12. And yet he is beating the snot out of HIllary
How can anyone who is supporting a candidate so far behind call another candidate 'unelectable'? Well what the hell does that make her? She can't even beat this 'liabiltiy'.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:58 PM
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Up until now
Obama had the ideologues swooning. Not any more. Either Obama supporters are living in a bubble or wishing against hope. Either way, this story will be big in the GE. Count on it.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:08 PM
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46. It won't
The public will be sick of the video by then. There are only so many times they can play the same thing before even folks who don't like Obama will be saying "don't you have anything else?"

There's no follow up to it. Assuming there are no more videos of the good reverend (and my guess is a thorough search has already been done at this point), its a one hit wonder, and it can only be played so much before it just becomes annoying.

I'm not really worried about the GE with either candidate - McCain is terrible. But I do think NOTHING will energize a dispirited, demoralized Republican voter base like a Clinton on the ticket.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:34 PM
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13. Hillary did not offer Obama the VP
But, speaking of arrogance....it is absurdly arrogant to say that someone behind in delegates, and votes, gets to offer anyone the VP and even more absurdly arrogant to object when the other candidate doesn't accept. Sounds cult like to me....
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:35 PM
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14. Can I get some dramamine with that spin?
:shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:35 PM
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15. More wishful hillbot "thinking"
Hillyhas lost. My opinion of hilly is just as bad as your opinion of Obama. Neither are fact, but merely opinion. I think she's sleaze and bullshit personified, and is where she is largely because she's married to bill. She's a lousy fucking manager, a shitty strategizer, and has run a terrible campaign. She's the worst kind of political opportunist. She voted for the IWR out of political convenience.

You are delusional if you believe the dem party will nominate hilly. Nancy Pelosi made it clear where she stands today and over the past week- and it ain't with hilly. And Pelosi doesn't just have one SD vote. She brings with her a couple of dozen- at least. The dem party evidently does not see your dear hilly as the most electable. Don't kid yourself that she's going to pull off the nomination. Back to Chappaqua with hilly and billy.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:03 PM
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39. Politics make strange
'bedfellows' Now you are backing Pelosi because she is backing Obama. Give me a break. She is an embarrassment to the democratic party. Don't be too sure of any super delegate votes at this point.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:07 PM
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43. I took a ton of shit for defending Pelosi
last year. I don't think she's been a stellar Speaker, but I rhink she's taken far too much bashing at DU. I don't see her as an embarassment to the dem party, even though I don't think she's been a strong Speaker. And regardless what you think of her, she is the most powerful dem in D.C., like it or not. And yes, how she votes is the way dozens of dems in the House will vote. It's beyond naive not to know this.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:37 PM
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19. Pardon me please....
Pointing and laughing




that is all, thank you...carry on.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:38 PM
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21. You are both completely wrong, and added to my ignore list.
Sorry.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:38 PM
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23. Liability for McCain.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:39 PM
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25. Arrogance = The Audacity To Run Against Hillary
The hubris of the Hillarites knows no bounds.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:04 PM
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41. No the Audacity
of Obama not to be honest.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:08 PM
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45. Your Posts Are Not Honest
In fact, they are despicable. I don't know how you live with yourself. If you have any morals, you hide them well. About time for you to be leaving isn't it? The grownups will be home soon.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:16 PM
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51. I am an American
and this is a free country. We are all allowed to have our opinions. Odd, that some of the Obama supporters can rip Hillary and her husband apart on this forum; but get totally pissed off that not everyone is absolutely in love with their candidate. Don't you just the double standard!!!:sarcasm: I know many people who feel exactly like I do. Get used to it.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:45 AM
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66. Yep, You Are An American And Free To Lie
Enjoy.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:22 PM
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52. Care for some cheese to go with that whine?
:rofl:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:42 PM
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27. Hillary's VP offer was just campaign rhetoric. She wouldn't be that crazy to run with him
and risk blowing the election because of all his baggage.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:44 PM
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29. I do not like sour grapes and spam, Sam-I-am.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:54 PM
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32. Wow, you full of crap and if I were to take you seriously, I'd have to ask you to use spell check...
bunch of tripe as you always are. Get a clue. Senator Obama is gonna be the nominee. He just has more hurdles to cross, but he will be!
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:55 PM
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33. LOL
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:58 PM
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34. hrc reminds me of the iraqi information minister
Obama is dying in the streets of Bahgdad.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:58 PM
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35. Did Obama kill your cat and steal your hat?
What up wit posts like dat?
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:02 PM
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38. You very well know why they post idiotic crap. We are accustomed to the crap. n/t
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:10 PM
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57. I couldn't agree with you more
I was trying to be humorous to avoid what I really wanted to write.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:01 PM
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36. Thanks for sharing. Yep, that's why Obama keeps winning. Take a look at Iowa yesterday
to see how horrified mainstream voters are by Wright's comments. Those Iowans saw 24/7 of Jeremiah Wright on Friday and showed up on Saturday and abandoned Obama in droves. They were so horrified and turned off by Wright and Obama, so scared that the Democratic party would be ruined--ruined, I tell you!--that Obama gained 9 delegates to his previous total while Clinton lost 1 delegate.

So much for that theory.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:01 AM
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65. It's Iowa he won not the whole country.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:02 PM
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37. America loves him what you gonna do about that. Oh well. take care.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:06 PM
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42. Not only America loves Senator Obama, most of the progressive people in the world wants him to be
the next President of the US. Despite, the Reverend's video, 95% of the countries of the world is hoping Senator Obama is the President. Clinton is old news, what the hell, bush clinton bush clinton, and 330 million Americans want the same status quo. Do not think so! Go Obama, we people in the socalled third world countries are backing you!
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:09 PM
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48. Hate to tell the world that Obama has been in Congress
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 04:10 PM by mac2
for eight years.He was given power but did little with it. He's not new nor is he a reformer.

He was created by the media now he hates them?
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:14 PM
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50. Really, you got a link for that? You just pulling crap out of your ass!
Amen. Obama is gonna be the next President of the US. Go hide under an effing bridge if you dislike him that much!
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:51 PM
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61. Clean up your mouth.
I have a right to my opinion in a free society (or so they say).
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:44 PM
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56. Obama's been in Congress for 8 yrs? You said you voted for him in 2004 IL Senator race so you know
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 05:05 PM by Garbo 2004
he hasn't been in Congress 8 years. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3949295&mesg_id=3949538

So you then must know, as an Illinois voter, that before 2005 he was in the Illinois legislature, not Congress. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/politics/campaign/03senate.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&position=&oref=slogin
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 PM
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62. Nope.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:57 PM by mac2
I did vote for him the first time when I first moved to this area. He did little and promised a lot.

I live in Illinois so I know he was in the state government before that.

We got little from him period...fed or state.

http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=9490
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:15 PM
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59. This is a typo, right?
YOu meant Clinton, I bet.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:58 PM
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63. No Clinton did not run for office in Illinois...ever until the
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:59 PM by mac2
Presidential primary.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:04 PM
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40. HRC is wayy back 2nd wasnt really her place to offer VP. That is why he trned it down.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 04:04 PM by cooolandrew
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:09 PM
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47. I just hope he does not accept that VP position. My goodness, he
is winning in every which way one looks. Please Senator Obama, do not accept the VP position! But hey, he has won everything but he still not good enough!
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:08 PM
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44. ah, yet another shade-tree political mechanic
time to take your political "knowledge" out of your cereal box boy and come play in the real world

:eyes:
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:11 PM
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49. Obama is a liability! Wow, you are certainly a liability to Senator Clinton. Hey bozo, she not gonna
be the nominee!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:22 PM
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53. Arrogant? You mean uppity?
:eyes:
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:24 PM
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54. I absolutely agree
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:29 PM
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55. Campared to Hillary, McCain, Bush or JFK? Thank you in advance
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:12 PM
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58. BLOW JOBS & CIGAR TRICKS IN THE OVAL OFFICE (Bill is the Biggest Liability Dems ever had)
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 05:13 PM by bushmeat
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Maxdee55 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:11 PM
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60. Wake Up Obama Maniacs
More and more it becomes clear that Obama while a steamroller in the Democratic primary's, cannot win the general election in November. Just last year it looked as if the Democrats could not lose the White House in 2008, but that was before young Democrats became hypnotized by a charismatic wordsmith, and black America deserted Hillary Clinton in droves. It's time to read the writing on the wall, while Obama has more delegates at this time, Clinton has won most of the big states that will be necessary for victory come November, certainly if the Democratic primary's were winner take all Clinton would be ahead in delegates and if Florida were added she would be comfortably ahead. Do you think the Republicans are going to let Obama off the hook when it comes to his relationship with the Reverend Wright, or the fact that until recently he had taken $ millions from special interests, and then there is his friendship and land deals with Antoin "Tony" Resko. Even beyond that, there are the rumors about his religion, or the fact that he hasn't done much in the Senate except prepare to run for President, even more so Obama is extremely liberal and he will be labled as such by the Republican attack machine. All in all while Hillary Clinton has many negatives, the main one being her last name, I believe she is more electable than Obama and will make a better President than a washed up Bush impersonator or a revival style preacher long on charisma but short on deeds, wake up Democrats its not too late.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:58 PM
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64. PLOP!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:46 AM
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67. What?! Is this opposite day or something?
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:53 AM
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68. correction: Obama is a liability to your personal desire

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:58 AM
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69. Liability? Do you realize the hatred that the very name "Hillary" stirs up in a LOT of people?
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 12:58 AM by democrat2thecore
Not saying it's right - but it's true.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:21 AM
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70. OMG, a politician is an opportunist?
:eyes:

show me a politician who is not an opportunist and I'll show you someone who won't be winning very often.

give me a freaking break. :banghead:
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:27 AM
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72. Obama is going through the vetting process, and he survived.
Hillary now is the liability. She hasn’t been vetted
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