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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:29 PM
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Hillary is NOT a racist.
Hillary is not a racist, which is why the usage of racist rhetoric and tactics by her campaign is especially disappointing. For me though it comes back once again to Hillary's "Political expedience before right" drive that we've seen ever since she was elected Senator. Rather than voting against the war in Iraq, she voted for it, rather than putting Obama before McCain she tossed him under the bus, rather than voting against FISA immunity she voted for it. POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE EVERY TIME. And you know what, that's not somebody I EVER want making life and death decisions for our nation. EVER.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:37 PM
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1. No she's just desperate.
Which is what makes it that much more disgusting.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:01 PM
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5. Hillary has to win the presidency. Otherwise 'standing by her man' was just stupid.
It's her final chance for redemption, for 'smartness', for not being remembered as a loser. Hard, very hard and very cold facts on the 'from them thar hills' Clinton legacy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:20 PM
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22. The final irony is she's creating an
even bigger Loser image from trying so hard not to be a Loser. But, she was always a Loser so truth is willing out much to hilary's eternal dismay.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:37 PM
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20. Agree, and disagree
She is not a racist, and is desperate (or at least some of her supporters are), and that's NOT as disgusting as if she really were a racist.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:40 PM
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2. I think as a society, most people are racist, including HRC. however, i don't think racism is her
main M.O. she's using it and everything else to get what she wants. the fact that she doesn't mind using this crap is what's repulsive to me and makes her part of the problem.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:46 PM
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3. Exactly.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:55 PM
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4. I agree completely
I had such hope for her as a Senator. I thought she could use her position as the former first lady to get a lot of air time and advance liberal positions. But she disappointed me greatly and it seems as if it was nothing more than a focus group driven type of resume filler for her run at the POTUS. She has disappointed me even further with the shameful way she has run her campaign.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:29 PM
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19. ditto to your post.
and K/r to the whole thread.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:01 PM
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6. Racists are ignorant
People who cynically embrace racism to advance their goals are worse than racists.

Much worse.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:05 PM
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8. bingo
that's her
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:03 PM
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7. passive-aggressive racism is still racism
Playing on the prejudices of others for political advantage is as racist as having the prejudice yourself.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:06 PM
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9. Right on, she is not a racist and Obama is not a sexist.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:06 PM
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10. HRC
and Bill will do anything and say anything to get back in the Whitehouse. They practice a form of "by any means necessary" politics that is beneath contempt and wrong headed. Worst of all it seems more like the current resident's style than anything vaguely Democratic.

Very Disappointing.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:07 PM
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11. She just tries to incite racism.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 08:08 PM by hedgehog
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:11 PM
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12. I don't think she is either. But, I believe she knew she'd be called that..
and is used to the "slings and arrows." Not saying that there isn't a certain ARROGANCE when one has survived it all...which is where she goes wrong. She has survived so much with Bill and RW Media...she feels that she doesn't see the NEW TWISTS AND TURNS of a Bush/Cheney/Media Empowerment that is so much stronger since BILL CAVED IN and did MEDIA DEREGULATION BILL of 1996. In some ways the Clinton's are caught in a TIME WARP...they are fighting the "Demons they New from the Past" and not what their POLICIES have WROUGHT THEM....

I don't think even OBAMA knows the Mine Traps out there...but MICHELLE DOES! Michell sees them all...
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:11 PM
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13. I can't read her mind
but condoning racist campaign tactics is, no matter how you slice it, racist.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:12 PM
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14. who benefits when its invoked though.. she fosters it.
and thats pretty bad. inexcusable.


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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:20 PM
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18. So far, it's Obama who has benefited from accusations that Hillary is racist...
which is yet ANOTHER reason why it is NOT the Clintons who are injecting race into the campaign. In the first place, they are known to not be racist. Second, it would be political SUICIDE for a Democrat to try to win a Democratic Primary by using racism, and the Clintons are plenty smart enough to know that.

Follow the money -- or in this case, the poll numbers -- and you'll see that being perceived as a "victim" of racism is the best thing that ever happened to the Obama campaign - and the worst that happened to the Clintons.

Shades of Karl Rove .. but notice who is benefiting!
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:15 PM
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23. well if her stealth strategy had worked she would have benefited
but unfortunately her oblique statements and "plausibe deniablity" didn't hold up so she didn't.

The only reason she didn't benefit is that her strategy was not successful.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:38 AM
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31. exactly. painting Obama as the Angry Black is his tactic? where the hell do the hillary supporters
get this complete crap.

i cant beleive how bad DU has become. ridiculous
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:13 PM
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15. She just plays one on TV.
Give her an academy award and get her out of here.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:17 PM
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16. Can somebody update me on her FISA vote?
What did I miss?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:18 PM
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17. If she's not a racist, why is she race-baiting?
Sorry, but if you are not a racist, then even the thought of resorting to race-baiting should be repulsive to you. You can't pick & choose when you want to be racist & when you don't want to be.

The facts that she had her surrogates in South Texas bring up race in the Spanish media (see my journal) & had Geraldine Ferraro do it in the English media show me that she is racist.

dg
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Danzo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:30 AM
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30. If She's "Racist" Then Why Don't You Explain WHY...
...Hillary got a 100% rating from the NAACP in 2003-2004 and a 95% rating in 2005, and a 96% rating in 2006?:

http://votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=55463&type=category&category=13&go.x=17&go.y=10
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:10 AM
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32. Once again
If she's not a racist, she would never have allowed her campaign to resort to race-baiting.

dg
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:15 PM
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21. A Machiavellian Demagogue that relies on latent bigotry, Just win whatever the price.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 PM
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24. Couldn't agree more. She's not a racist, just politically calculating and shrewd
And she'll use wedge issues to her advantage.

She's one smart cookie, but not who I want as a leader.

David
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:19 PM
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25. I don't believe she has a racist bone in her body...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:22 PM by CitizenLeft
...and neither does Bill.

But they have not hesitated to use it to gain the votes of Reagan Democrats and cross-over Limbaugh Republicans. Yes, anything to win. It's discouraging, disillusioning, and depressing. I'm not sure I'll be able to forgive them... using racism to divide is worst than being racists themselves - which they clearly are not - because they know, through the empathy they've displayed in the past, exactly how hurtful it can be.

Saying "I regret if anyone was offended" over and over again doesn't cut it when she clearly will continue to use the tactic everywhere she thinks it will work.
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:39 PM
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26. I think Hillary's may be a soft racism.
After years of championing the advancement of African Americans she is absolutely stunned that the community advanced far enough to make their own choices and did not crown her the nominee to repay their debt of gratitude. She needs the advancement of blacks as a cause and not a realization. If they're no longer downtrodden and can shape their own destiny she cannot imagine herself their Saviour. She NEEDS that otherwise she wouldn't give a rats ass.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:59 PM
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27. Hillary responds to racism...
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:01 AM
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28. The record shows the measure of the person Obama spoke against Iraq when it was tough to do so...
Leadership.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:19 AM
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29. Neither are Cheney, Bush, et. al. (Probably.)
Look ... race-baiting is the political tactic used to exploit ignorance and fear, the foundation of racism (bigotry). It's divisive and the "divide and conquer" strategy has been employed for millennia by the numerically weaker force to subjugate the working class. Inferior (or no) schools, a steady stream of threats to survival, coercive approaches to compliant employment, and motivating both 'support' and apathy politically to attain and secure control of the monopoly on violence and law: government.

For example, Cheney's (pretty clearly) not homophobic ... but exploits homophobia for political advantage. When such conditions benefit those with appetites for power or wealth, they use the power and wealth to perpetuate those conditions.

It'd be helpful to discourse if folks were able to learn ... and distinguish between being controlled by and exploiting the "flavors" of objectification of human beings.

IMHO. YMMV, of course. :shrug:
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:43 PM
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33. Karl Rove isn't Anti-Gay...
Yet he cynically exploits an anti-gay agenda to guide the stupid and the irrational into voting for the Republicans.
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