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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:33 PM
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Obama's (hypocritical) negative campaign comes straight from the top
One of the biggest fairy tales is that 0bama has run a positive campaign. This e-mail provides some evidence of the negative campaign he has run. This is by no means anywhere close to a complete list of 0bama's biggest attacks.

It should be noted this is only a list of some of his attacks on Clinton. It doesn't include his numerous attacks on Edwards. Remember when Edwards was resurrected after falling to a distant third in Iowa and surging rapidly late, like he did in 2004? It was 0bama--not Clinton--the new hero of many Edwards supporters 0bama who stopped his momentum with his attacks, including a smear mailer sent to Iowa households. Now almost all Edwards supporters support the guy who, for all intents and purposes, finished off Edwards. We don't know what the Iowa result would have been if 0bama practiced what he preached (a funny idea but one can "hope" right?).

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Former freelance progressive blogger and current Internet Director for Sen. Hillary Clinton's☼ campaign - Peter Daou - sent out a personal email of sorts earlier today to some pro-Clinton, pro-Obama and neutral bloggers about the issue of "negative" attacks in this primary. I have a lot of respect for Peter - he was originally in the John Kerry campaign in 2004 and he has a very good understanding of how the right-wing machine works.

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I'm writing this to a group of bloggers. Some of you are Hillary supporters, some not, some neutral.

I want to address a pervasive misconception, namely, that Senator Obama hasn't run a negative campaign against Hillary. I think it's time to put that misconception to rest.

Continued below the fold.

The truth is that for months, the Obama campaign has been attacking Hillary, impugning her character and calling into question her lifetime of public service. And now the Chicago Tribune reports that Senator Obama is preparing a "full assault" on her "over ethics and transparency." To those who contend that Senator Obama is the clear frontrunner, I ask, to what end this "full assault" on Hillary?

On CNN last Tuesday, Senator Obama said, "Well, look, Wolf, I think if you watch how we have conducted our campaign, we've been very measured in terms of how we talk about Senator Clinton. ... I have been careful to say, that I think that Senator Clinton is a capable person and that should she win the nomination, obviously, I would support her. You know, I'm not sure that we have been getting that same approach from the Clinton campaign."

The facts of this election stand in stark contrast to that statement. Senator Obama and his senior campaign officials have engaged in a systematic effort to question Hillary's integrity, credibility, and character. They have portrayed her as someone who would put her personal gain ahead of the lives of our troops, someone who would say or do anything to win an election, someone who is dishonest, divisive and disingenuous. They have adopted shop-worn anti-Clinton talking points, dusted them off and unleashed a torrent of unfounded character attacks against her. Among other things, they have described Hillary - and her campaign - as:

"Disingenuous"

"Too polarizing to win"

'Divisive'

"Untruthful"

"Dishonest"

'Calculating'

"Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"

"Attempting to deceive the American people"

"One of the most secretive politicians in America"

"Literally willing to do anything to win"

"Playing politics with war"

To top it off, they have blanketed big states with false radio ads and negative mailers -- ads and mailers that experts have debunked time and time again. They have distributed health care brochures using Republican framing. They have tried to draw a nexus between Hillary's votes and the death of her friend Benazir Bhutto.
And one of Senator Obama's top advisers (who has since left the campaign) recently called Hillary "a monster."

This "full assault" on Hillary comes from the very top of the Obama campaign, not surrogates and supporters.

This "full assault" is being directed at someone I personally know to be a thoughtful, brilliant, principled, compassionate person, someone the world knows as a good Democrat, a trailblazer, a lifelong champion for children and families, a respected former first lady, a senator, a presidential candidate.

This "full assault" is targeting a staff of hundreds of hard-working, dedicated Democrats, who I've had the privilege of working with for the past 14 months.

This is a hard-fought campaign - as it should be. Like any candidate for elected office, Hillary has made clear why she thinks she would do a better job than her opponent. She has laid out comprehensive policy proposals, put forth her 35-year record of accomplishment, and spent countless days introducing herself to voters across the country. She has said that she is far better prepared to take on John McCain on national security. She has contended that she is the candidate with the experience to confront the GOP attack machine. She has argued that she is more electable. She has said that Senator Obama's words are not matched by actions. And she has challenged him to live up to core Democratic values and goals such as universal health care.

I recall indignation online at the suggestion that Senator Obama has not made the case that he is ready to be Commander in Chief -- the concern being that this would be terribly detrimental to him in a general election. As I blogged recently, and as many of you know, I spent 2004 in the Kerry-Edwards war room, and I understand full well that national security will be front and center in the general election. It's not a matter of choice. And the reality is that the public views Hillary as better prepared to take on Senator McCain☼ when it comes to national security. Democrats must factor that in as they nominate a candidate to win in November.

If that suggestion is potentially harmful to Senator Obama in a general election, how exactly do the personal attacks against Hillary (which echo and reinforce rightwing talking points) help her in the event she wins the nomination? I recall no similar outrage at those harsh attacks on her character, many of which were directed at her when she was the clear frontrunner and seen as the likely nominee.

Both candidates are running a vigorous campaign. Both have had surrogates or supporters who have crossed the line and made offensive statements that they rejected. And these offensive statements are an unfortunate part of a long and close campaign. Those who make a habit of automatically assuming and ascribing to only one candidate the worst motives, ignoring more reasonable and benign explanations, who substitute conjecture for fact and then use those assumed 'facts' as a foundation on which to pile more conjecture about only one candidate's intentions, who express anger at negative campaigning and perceived dirty tricks but focus on only one candidate's words and actions, risk losing credibility. And those who conclude from that one-sided reasoning that Hillary ought to stop seeking victory, should ask themselves if quitting in the middle of a hard-fought – and winnable – contest is a desirable attribute in a future president.

Links to the some of the highlighted attacks and more can be found at the link. http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/012152.php
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:35 PM
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1. Meet George Orwell.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:36 PM
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2. Is it negative if it is accurate?
"Disingenuous"

"Too polarizing to win"

'Divisive'

"Untruthful"

"Dishonest"

'Calculating'

"Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"

"Attempting to deceive the American people"

"One of the most secretive politicians in America"

"Literally willing to do anything to win"

"Playing politics with war"


Those are all terms I would use to describe HRC.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:37 PM
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3. Ditto
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:51 PM
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18. Who's the Republicans now
It seem Obama supporters know the right wing talking points front to back regarding Hillary are you guys sure you're not right wingers?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:47 PM
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34. Now lessee here....when the Hillary Herd talks like Republicans trashing Obama that is ok
Such as the reverse discrimination whining of Ferrarro. Such as saying Obama is just a speech while McCain is worthy of being pres. Such as trashing his minister. Such as circulating pictures of Obama in native African garb. Such as spreading the Muslim meme, as far as I know.

However, if any of these Republican style attacks are argued against, the refutations are republican talking points! The irony is rife.

You make a negative attack on Obama. He defends himself, he is called negative.

You engage in race baiting. Obama responds. You say Obama is making race an issue.

This is Orwellian by nature!

By contrast to Hillary's campaign, Obama's is much more positive.

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:38 PM
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4. No, it's not.
And we all know where the negative originates.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:39 PM
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5. After a while, it's hard to tell what's accurate and what's spin.
Do you know Hillary personally? Is it possible that some of these adjectives are media creations?
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:48 PM
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13. I personally agree with them, but you are right, some may be media creations.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:39 PM
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6. According to the Obama campaign and Obamites, yes
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:40 PM
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8. Your opinion is not truth...get over yourself. n/t
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:48 PM
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14. It's my personal truth sweetums.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:36 PM
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31. *snap*
n/t
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:22 AM
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65. I totally beat the Obama campaign in saying all of this about Hillary.
If the shoe fits....
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:00 PM
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66. Me too!!! We should apply for the Obama campaign staff positions left open recently.
We can help them get to these end points faster!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:40 PM
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7. Thanks.
Truth is good.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:42 PM
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9. holy crap the Clinton Campaign is scared to death
that Obama will treat her as she has treated him.

They're totally freaking out over it.

It's like the little kid that punches the bully and then runs and hides behind the teacher.

:rofl:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:44 PM
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10. Who started attacking first?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 07:45 PM by jackson_dem
Who hammered away at the other candidate from day one for months?

Many Obama supporters seem to be unaware of past campaigns, or even the 2008 rethug campaign. Who does the attacking in politics? Hint: candidates leading by 20 points don't. It is those trailing or in fear of losing the lead who do. It wasn't Clinton who came out swinging. She had no fucking need to...
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:49 PM
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15. yes she did - when she was behind going into OH and TX
kitchen sink strategy

shame on you

not as far as I know

They are freaking out now.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:51 PM
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19. The campaign started in March of 2008?
I thought Obama announced his exploratory committee in January of 2007. Remember that? When he took a veiled swipe at Clinton during his announcement. I thought his campaign officially began on February 10th of 2007. Remember that? That was two days before he attacked Clinton directly for the first time...
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:04 PM
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24. a veiled swipe?
attacked Clinton directly?

so I guess in your mind, if Obama says he is the better choice for POTUS it is an offensive attack on Clinton?

Politicians run campaigns, they try to differentiate themselves. That is politics.

The things that Hillary and Bill have done against a fellow Democrat are not politics as usual.

And btw - in your OP it cites the fact that Obama sent out negative campaign literature against Hillary. Well, she freakin' blanketed Ohio with negative mailers and robo-calls. I didn't hear the Obama campaign crying "shame on you Hillary Clinton". No. There's a huge f-in difference in they way their campaigns have been run.

But, if you say that she has been the victim enough times, maybe it will be true

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:07 PM
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26. Typical. Obama attacks and Obamites say it is kosher
Clinton does it and it is a scandal. The hypocrisy is amazing.

Clinton is not the one hypocritically claiming she hasn't attacked and that she is going to "change politics" from the "old Washington politics" that used such attacks. This is about Obama's hypocrisy on yet another thing...
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:12 PM
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29. so he is supposed to campaign FOR her?
wtf?

he debates, he differentiates himself he points out things that he disagrees with her on or things that would make him a better POTUS.

The different type of politics is not swift-boating your opponent.

If he stooped to her level, we would be hearing about all the Clinton scandals.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:46 PM
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33. He is supposed to do what he claims he does in his rhetoric. As simple as that
He already swiftboated her and the last Dem president as a racist--just in time for the South Carolina primary.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:12 PM
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39. Bill did that. and her campaign strategy.
no swift boating there.

She went down a terrible path, for which some may never forgive her.

And the cries that she is actually the victim is repulsive. Her racist campaign strategy is repulsive and the projection is even more so.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:50 PM
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51. What did Bill say that was racist--just in time for the first majority black primary?
Only Obama would benefit from playing the race card before SC, or for that matter MS. Why do you think Ferraro's quotes were dug up after having been made before Ohio and Texas? It is no coincidence they appeared a day or two before a primary in the state with the largest black population. Cui bono?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:50 PM
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36. So..it is better that Hillary doesn't even tell us it will be better?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:08 PM
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37. Hypocrisy thy name is Barack
.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:54 PM
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21. What i recall...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 07:55 PM by Armstead
is that Obama's message was basically that the ststus quo in Washington was failing the American people. What was needed was new leadership and more input from outside the Establishment circle of politicians who have been in Washington too long. It was generic rather than personal -- although the shoe certainly fit Hillary.

Meanwhile Hillary touted her experience (?) and -- at first -- assumed that she would be automatically picked so she pretended to be above it all.

The attacks from Hillary started to get nastier and more personal as Obama's stock rose.

Her low point for me was when she and her husband and the campaign totally twisted Obama's observations about Reagan and lied by saying he supports and prefers Republican policies.

Actually, her slanders began earlier against Edwards, when she called his progressive populist message "mudslinging right out of the republican playbook" when Edwards remarks were the opposite of Republicanism.

To heart someone from the Clinton campaign whining about negative campaigning is like someone in the proverbial glass house...
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:09 PM
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28. She was leading big until the final month or two of 2007
She had no incentive to attack and didn't attack consistently. Obama had the incentive and did so consistently while hypocritically pretending he is above such tactics. Read the post above that links to a site that compiled some of his attacks.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:46 PM
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11. if it makes you feel better
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:47 PM
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12. I think it comes from the bottom-up. 1,000,000+ donors, and enormous rally support.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:50 PM
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16. well, hill, then throw in the towel.
can't take the heat?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:52 PM
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20. Setting the record straight=not taking the heat?
What is really interesting is how reliant on falsehoods one candidate's campaign is...
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:50 PM
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17. Obama's attack timeline
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:09 PM
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27. does the person that posted that actually support Hillary?
because that really frames Hillary in a poor way.

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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:34 PM
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30. Only if you believe Obama's lies as posted.
It seems you have. Too bad for you and your poor brain, truly.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:39 PM
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32. no - it makes it sound like
he pinched me and pulled my hair.

gawd - half the so called "attacks" are nothing more than a newspaper headline.

it's really pathetic and it makes Hillary look like a cry baby.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:29 PM
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43. It makes it sound like? Perhaps you have a hearing problem.
Or maybe something else is wrong.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:32 PM
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44. maybe you should ask yourself
what is wrong? Do you actually beleive that site helps Hillary?

:rofl:

It's such a cry baby, why do I get the first question, whey can't I just be given the Presidency bunch of crap. It makes her look weak. Very, very weak.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:47 PM
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35. The site contains links. You can read Obama's greatest hits list for yourself
Or you can continue to pretend that Obama isn't a hypocrite.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:10 PM
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38. I went to the site.
this is the impression I got :cry:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:48 PM
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50. Is there anything that isn't factual there?
Will you now admit Obama has been attacking her from the beginning?
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:52 PM
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61. Are there more unfair attacks there or more legitimate critiques of her flaws
it's hard to know where one ends and the other begins in the mind of a Hillary supporter.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:58 PM
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22. K and R
:patriot:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:02 PM
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23. It's been a nasty, nasty charade from Obama -- very dishonest indeed ---NT
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:04 PM
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25. Do you work for the campaign....or
are you just a fanatic... I read an AP story talking about Hillary coming out hard today about Obama's negative campaigning.... and BAM.. you have posted the talking point....I'll chalk it up to you being a fanatic.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:25 PM
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41. If anyone is a fanatic it's you and your ilk. Tell me something...does your paranoia keep you awake
all hours of the night?

You're just fucking jealous that you can't come up with anything good to say about Obama in his defense. All you know how to do is crap on Hillary and her fine supporters.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:38 PM
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47. your comments are plain sick
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:56 PM
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63. No... ignorant people that post total BS...
just because a campaign puts out a press release is sick... if you wan't to know about negative campaigning... try this:

1. This is one where Hillary attacks Obama using Republican fear mongering on taxes. Obama has said that as a possible solution to the SS problem. Of course the mailer says it will be a trillion dollar tax increase on working Americans. That leave the impression of the middle class, but in reality Obama has said that if we raise the SS cap, that he would make sure there is a donut protecting "hard working families." Something along the line of only people earning more than 200,000 would have to pay more. Hmm... sounds kinda... progressive to me. Of course Hillary leaves out the details in the hope of scaring up votes.

On Eve Of Primary, Hillary Drops Negative Mailer Hitting Obama On Taxes

here in New Hampshire http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmem...
and here in Nevada http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/010...


2. You may ask "what if right wing talking points on SS don't work?" Well, AFSCME on Hillary's behalf sent out this wonderful mailer in an attempt to scare voters into voting for Hillary.

"A Prime Minister is on the phone: They've lost a warhead," says the fictional memo on the front of the mailing.

The solution?

"Send in the right woman for the job."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/010...

This disgusting tactic lead to some members of AFCSME to right this letter. Where they say they are "shocked and appalled" at the deceptive tactics.

http://thepage.time.com/letter-to-afscme-p... /


3. And another mailer attacking Obama on "possibly" raising the cap on SS for those over 200,000.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archiv...


4. If this still didn't seem enough for the Hillary campaign. They could always LIE by implying that Obama isn't pro-choice.

Barrack Obama. Unwilling to take a stand on a woman's right to choose.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmem...

Only problem is that... Obama voted present on those few Illinois state senate issues because Planned Parenthood asked him to vote present as part of Planned Parenthood's strategy. Ohh... and Obama has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood and NARAL. More on this here:

http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/2007/12/04/ab... /


5. Just to mix it up here is another Hillary attack on Obama's SS this time a robocall that also wrongly accuses him of wanting to cut benefits. (Which, falls under his statements that everything is on the table. Even though he said it isn't a serious consideration.)

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/arc...

6. We all know that Hillary said MI (and thought the same logic fl) "doesn't count for anything" and now she says it should count based on Obama running national ads. Remember all the faux outrage about Obama advertising in FL by default. Well, Hillary did have her "supporters" run a robocall and GOTV operation. And while this robocall isn't a direct attack on Obama, it does show the absurdity of that big spectacle Hillary's campaign made of FL based on Obama running ads nationally on CNN and MSNBC.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/arc...

7. In SC Hillary's campaign didn't even try to spin a lie. They just flat out lied. This time claiming that Obama would "dismantle the minimum wage."

here:http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-creates...
and here: http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/arc...

8. I guess lying about Obama's policies wasn't enough. Hillary's campaign apparently decided that to appeal to religious bigots and racists. This robocall seemed to serve no purpose with the exception of emphasizing Obama's middle name of Hussein, mentioning it 4 times. I like the last line of "You just can't take a CHANCEHUSSEIN Obama." (Clinton loyalists will be quick to say that "there is nothing wrong with his middle name" of course that is bullshit.. These candidates have experts to poor over EVERY single word to make sure the word frames give the correct impression at all times. Also, how many robocalls will a campaign put out that say the name of the opposing candidate 4 times)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/010...

9. Of course here is where we get the hypocritical BS from Hillary herself. She says that Obama attacked her health care plan unfairly. (I personally think there is nothing wrong with criticizing someone else's positions.) Hillary of course forgets that she has been attacking Obama's health care plan too. This attack is over the lack of a mandate. Hillary shows a diverse group of people and the mailer asks "Which of these people doesn't deserve health care?". Of course that is misleading. Hillary's attack is that Obama's health care plan will prevent 15 million people from getting health care, but that doesn't match up with what the difference is. Hillary's logic is that 15 million people won't choose to get insured... that is a big difference from people being "left" out of the plan(as she is implying.)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/... /


Well, I am tired of looking these things up. Feel free to post any that I missed and I will try to add them in.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:22 PM
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40. This has galled me all along
Hillary is constantly accused of negative campaigning, and it's true, there have been some on the Clinton side. But the idea that Obama is "Mr. Clean" as far as how his campaign is run is ludicrous. The idea that Bill Clinton could seriously be accused of racism is breathtaking, yet that's what came out of Jesse Jackson Jr's mouth very early on. And yes, all of those right wing talking points about Hillary emerged directly from the Obama campaign; some from the senator himself.

Call Hillary's campaign divisive if you want. Call it "scorched earth," which seems to be a favorite here. But be aware that Obama's campaign has been going negative from the early days of the primaries. And take another look at that list:

"Disingenuous"

"Too polarizing to win"

'Divisive'

"Untruthful"

"Dishonest"

'Calculating'

"Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"

"Attempting to deceive the American people"

"One of the most secretive politicians in America"

"Literally willing to do anything to win"

"Playing politics with war"

Notice anything? Besides being right wing talking points, very familiar to most of us, all of them are vague, unprovable character assassinations that offer no proof. In fact, they're impossible to prove or disprove, which is their point.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:41 PM
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48. obam back-stabed Hillary last week in MS--about the scarf issue-after he
told her-this issue was behind them!---then he went in front 1000's of people again and talked to them about the photo that was circulating.

Do not ever believe a word that comes from his mouth.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:27 PM
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42. Obama initiated all the negative crap to begin with, & all his supporters do is whine
whenever the Goddess of Peace kicks the crap out of him for all his troubles, hahaha!!

K&R!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:50 PM
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52. Just how did he initiate it? Pray tell...
Provide one quote from him where he was on a negative offensive.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:32 PM
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45. They aren't scared. They are pissed
Democrats should know better.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 PM
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46. this full assult plan is sickening.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:47 PM
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49. HEY THAT'S NOT FAIR, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HIT US BACK!!!!!
The Clinton Royalists excel in being ridiculous. He's running a positive campaign not a STUPID campaign.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:35 PM
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59. BUT I'M A GIRL!!!!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:52 PM
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53. Has Obama or any of his official spokespeople said these things?
I haven't heard Obama or anyone officially with his campaign say those things. One campaign advisor called Hillary a "monster" and quickly apologized and resigned.

Obama supporters say things like this. Hillary supporters say nasty things about Obama, too.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:13 PM
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55. Nope. Not a one.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:16 PM by izzybeans
It should be flattering to the Obama campaign that the voting public is being confused with 'his campaign' her. They are trying to peg her personal polling negatives on Obama. These are phrases from a focus group, no doubt. It's more poor pitiful me and its beneath her.

She really has an amateur campaign staff.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:15 PM
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56. Okay...
"I think she was being disingenuous."
Sen. Barack Obama
http://www.newsweek.com/id/67934

Too polarizing to win:
‘‘Democrats will win in November and build a majority in Congress not by nominating a candidate who will unite the other party against us, but by choosing one who can unite this country around a movement for change,’’
Sen. Barack Obama
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/768042,obhill013008.article

Untruthful:
“People have heard a lot of things that just aren’t true from the mouth of the First Lady, from the mouth of the former president, from the mouth of the campaign," said Robert Gibbs, Obama’s communications director. "There is no question we will make sure that doesn’t happen.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8002.html

"Whether it is Barack Obama’s record, her position on Social Security, or even the meaning of the Florida Primary, it seems like Hillary Clinton will do or say anything to win an election."
Obama Campaign Manager David Plouffe
http://thepage.time.com/response-from-obama-campaign-manager-plouffe/

There's more, but I'm tired.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:28 PM
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57. Thank you. I appreciate your linking those.
In context, I don't think that either Obama or Hillary Clinton have said anything that awful about the other. This is mild compared to a lot of previous Democratic primary campaigns.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:34 PM
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58. Actually, I agree with you
What I object to is people calling out Hillary for a negative campaign when Obama's is just as negative.

I've seen presidential campaigns that made this one look like a tea party. It's just the faux outrage from some of Obama's supporters that's offensive, when their candidate isn't exactly pure himself.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:18 AM
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64. The behavior from some supporters of Obama and Hillary is appalling, I agree.
It's disgusting. I've seen terrible behavior on the part of both sides - assuming that those behaving so badly actually represent the side they claim.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:13 PM
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54. Oh Yes. And KERRY IS SUCH A COWARDLY TRAITOR. Beyond Rovian
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:02 PM
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67. Why would you insult kerry like you just did?
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54. Oh Yes. And KERRY IS SUCH A COWARDLY TRAITOR. Beyond Rovian

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:37 PM
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60. Just as I wrote back in 07 that obama would play the race card
early and he did and then the only way he could take the black vote away from HRC was to play the race card with the help of his surrogates and a few whoremedia folks and he did that too. Who was the only person that when this all began could have dem fighting dem? Obama.....Who was the one person that could stop us from attacking the bush bastards and fight among ourselves? obama...

Thanks for expressing your views..... Now with the revelation of the preacher man and obama I would say obama is toast. BURNT!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:08 PM
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68. Yes, it was the only BO could do that--. God. I am sick at what happened to Bill C.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:31 PM
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62. But what if believing that Hillary is evil and Obama is an angel makes me feel better?
Why don't you respect my feelings?

Besides, everyone in the media told me it's true, and when have they ever gotten anything wrong?


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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:42 PM
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69. thank you
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