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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:01 AM
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Not to add fuel to the fire but
what do you think of the following article?

For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show.

A sudden change of heart? Hardly.

Since Senator John McCain effectively sewed up the GOP nomination last month, Republicans have begun participating in Democratic primaries specifically to vote for Clinton, a tactic that some voters and local Republican activists think will help their party in November. With every delegate important in the tight Democratic race, this trend could help shape the outcome if it continues in the remaining Democratic primaries open to all voters.

Spurred by conservative talk radio, GOP voters who say they would never back Clinton in a general election are voting for her now for strategic reasons: Some want to prolong her bitter nomination battle with Barack Obama, others believe she would be easier to beat than Obama in the fall, or they simply want to register objections to Obama.

"It's as simple as, I don't think McCain can beat Obama if Obama is the Democratic choice," said Kyle Britt, 49, a Republican-leaning independent from Huntsville, Texas, who voted for Clinton in the March 4 primary. "I do believe Hillary can mobilize enough people to keep her out of office."

Britt, who works in financial services, said he is certain he will vote for McCain in November.

About 1,100 miles north, in Granville, Ohio, Ben Rader, a 66-year-old retired entrepreneur, said he voted for Clinton in Ohio's primary to further confuse the Democratic race. "I'm pretty much tired of the Clintons, and to see her squirm for three or four months with Obama beating her up, it's great, it's wonderful," he said. "It broke my heart, but I had to....."


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/17/many_voting_for_clinton_to_boost_gop/
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:06 AM
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1. But but but, the GOP has really been voting for Obama
How dare the Boston Globe print such false stories.

Of course Rush didn't have anything to do with it.

:kick: & RRRRRRRR


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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:12 AM
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2. It was A-OK when Republicans were voting for Hillary's opponent
Even a selling point, in fact Hillary's opponent is trying to register Republicans to vote for him in Pennsylvania as we speak. Hillary haters will say anything to keep a woman from winning.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:19 AM
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3. come on now...
do you honestly believe that ALL supporters of other candidates are hillary haters and sexist? not saying that some of them aren't but i think for the majority of us sex/race isn't that important.
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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:21 AM
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4. I think rather
it's their motivations for voting rather than the actual votes. If Obama can attract crossovers that will also vote for him in Nov then that is a bonus, as this article seems to suggest. If on the other hand this sabotage voting occurs to give the nomination to Hillary then that is certainly less then optimal. Rational thought as opposed to juvenile name calling is the preferred method of debate.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:34 AM
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6. So any Republican who votes for Obama will vote for him in November,
but any Republican who votes for Clinton will vote McClain in November? You know there could be Republicans who will do the exact opposite. This "Republicans are voting for the the other candidate because they want to screw us over" is a silly meme. Republicans voting in the Democratic primary are always trying to "screw us", period. Let's just wait and see how the Republicans steal this election - it is really the only thing left that isn't already known...
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:24 AM
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14. It could happen in most cases
However during a competitive Republican primary it is much more likely that crossover voters actually like the Democratic candidate they are voting for. With the nomination sewn up Republican voters are more to vote for less than pure reasons. It certainly explains Hillary's sudden exploding popularity with Republican voters.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:29 AM
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5. Well these assholes won't be voting for her come November

Spurred by conservative talk radio, GOP voters who say they would never back Clinton in a general election are voting for her now for strategic reasons: Some want to prolong her bitter nomination battle with Barack Obama, others believe she would be easier to beat than Obama in the fall, or they simply want to register objections to Obama.

"It's as simple as, I don't think McCain can beat Obama if Obama is the Democratic choice," said Kyle Britt, 49, a Republican-leaning independent from Huntsville, Texas, who voted for Clinton in the March 4 primary. "I do believe Hillary can mobilize enough people to keep her out of office."


Britt, who works in financial services, said he is certain he will vote for McCain in November.




Where's your proof that Obama is registering republicons to vote for him?.?.?

And don't bother with his ad telling people to register under the Democratic ID, because that ISN'T proof.


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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:37 AM
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8. They won't be voting for Obama, either.
I think that the Democrats have the "Luck of the Irish" and as John Lennon said, "If you had the luck of the Irish you'd be sorry and wish you were dead..."
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:44 AM
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9. Of course there is no way to predict a voters intent
But I guess I was hoping that just maybe the republicons who were voting for Obama were the Reagan Democrats coming back home.
I was also hoping that perhaps they might vote for him in November because they had finally gotten tired of the corrupt members of their own party.

As I stated in my subject line there is no way to predict how they will vote in the GE, but I definitely don't think they would ever vote for Hillary.


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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:23 AM
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13. I find it hard to believe that Democrats who left the party for
Reagan would come back for an African American. Reagan played the "Southern Strategy" hard, but maybe that is just a southern phenomenon and northern Dems went evil for other reasons...
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:37 AM
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7. I am all for CLOSED primaries.
Why should a republican be able to vote in the democratic primary? It just lends itself to fraud. This goes for whomever the puke decided to vote for. It is manipulation.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:56 AM
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10. Dittogate : The Dittoheads for Hillary scandal grows
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 07:58 AM by lamprey
A sudden change of heart? Hardly... It's as simple as, I don't think McCain can beat Obama if Obama is the Democratic choice," said Kyle Britt, 49 ... Britt, who works in financial services, said he is certain he will vote for McCain in November.

119,000 in Texas? That's Hillary's victory right there.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:06 AM
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11. Actually when you break it down it was only 18,000 net gain
It is also possible, though perhaps unlikely, that enough strategically minded Republicans voted for Clinton in Texas to give her a crucial primary victory there: Clinton received roughly 119,000 GOP votes in Texas, according to exit polls, and she beat Obama by about 101,000 votes.


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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:19 AM
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12. Actually, some of those republicans may actually support her.
I personally know of two people who have been life-long registered republicans that have voiced support of her.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:55 AM
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15. Would Ann Coulter be 3rd on your list?
:)
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:37 AM
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16. Ha. Actually one is very RW. She told me a couple years ago she'd vote for Hillary long
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 09:38 AM by progressoid
...before she decided to run.

The other is more of a RINO. Registered R but votes both sides.
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