Wright Exposes Hillary Supporters Willing To Align Themselves With Republican Values/Principles

[KittyWampus]

Wright's sermons are 100% aligned with Democratic ideals especially when it comes to Social Justice. And that includes justice for all. Women, Gays and Minorities.

Wright's views of history are realistic when it comes to the truth of what our Government has done and how its actions have engendered things like terrorism.

For instance, 9/11 was blowback from the US arming the Mujahadim. Compare this to Rightwing Fundies who claim 9/11 was God punishing gays.

That so many Hillary supporters happily condemn someone who speaks out as a LIBERAL voice on Social Justice and American history is sick.

It's one thing to say you have a problem with HOW Wright expresses things. Finding fault with his style would be understandable.

However, finding fault with the MEANING of what Wright says is another thing all together.

Wright is politically incorrect and raw. However, he is NOT a politician. He is a pastor who brings a biblical viewpoint into the discussion of the political realities Americans face INCLUDING BLACKS, GAYS AND WOMEN.

To seize on a very few words, take them out of context and knowingly twist their meaning shows a sick capacity to abandon ones principles.

IMO, if you attack Wright's meaning rather than critique his style you are not a Democrat.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. "God damn America" is a democratic value?

Your obvious bias and double standard is palpable.

[EFerrari]

2. Go over to GD and count the threads where people express anger

disgust or disappointment in this country.

Oh, and the threads where people talking about leaving.

:hi:

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. There is a difference between being angry at GW and hating the country

We have all been disgusted with Bush and his co-horts. There is a difference.

And: I have never said that Obama could not be president cause he was never called a cunt. The double standard is unreasonable and unfair.

[KittyWampus]

7. Nothing in Wright's sermon means "hating America". You bought the GOP version of reality

IMO, those who do that do NOT belong in the Democratic party.

You are WILLFULLY ignoring what Wright's words meant. The intent of what he was saying.

You seized on three words and ignore the entire sentence and paragraph in which they were housed.

And the meaning you therefore come away with is sick. It's inverted.

It's a Republican Lie.

Why are you accepting it?

[ReverendDeuce]

15. It is in Hillary's best interest to promote the GOP meaning of Wright's words...

Remember, to most Hillary supporters here, it's all about "Get Hillary into the GE at any cost!"

If that means destroying a man of the cloth or driving a wedge into the party, even though it willfully helps the Republican candidate, it's all fair game.

[jasmine621]

86. Wright's statement about Hillary were really over the top.

I have been watching and appreciating many of the things Wright says for over a year. But his statements about Hillary were very disgusting to me. However, disgusting some statements may be out of the mouths of others, i still am open to listening to what they say and judging for myself.

[indimuse]

24. 3. Commitment to the "BLACK" Community...Church's Blk value system...

<<<<<snp>>>>>

One might describe the list as good tinged with racial identity. One way to look at the list is to remove the racial references and see if the statements hold up:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Community
3. Commitment to the Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all leadership who espouse and embrace the Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Value System.

Absent racial references, these statements of values are quite admirable. They mostly represent mainstream Judeo-Christian American values.

How would you feel about a church that proclaimed a White Value System, by substituting the word 'White' for the word 'Black' in the list above? I can hear the media

elites ringing condemnations already.

Perhaps the "pursuit of 'Middleclassness'" refers to crass materialism, something many might benefit from personally by disavowing.

I fail to see how a church that steeps its values in racial identity is not practicing racism. One wonders how welcoming that congregation would be to non-black

Christians. I would hope that Christian values would prevail. It would violate basic Christian values to pursue such racial divisions. These are the very same Christian

values that rang out so clearly in Dr. Martin Luther King's powerful speeches.

Let Americans never forget Dr King's reiteration of the American dream:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."






As one...NOT Black America..White America....One America..remember? I really don't get THAT message from Rev. Wright.

[beezlebum]

31. more white dude crying that there is no white history month.

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

34. God forbid the black community support the black community.

Are you suggesting that black people STFU about racism?

Just trying to make sure I'm understanding you.

[ClassWarrior]

43. .

[live love laugh]

82. "I fail to see how a church that steeps its values in racial identity is not practicing racism."

Unfortunately, you are looking through distorted lenses. It is NOT racist to AFFIRM one's race.

Those values can be attached to racial identity and pride and doing so takes nothing away from any other race.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. Some people only hear what they want to hear.

[elixir]

56. Eek, you really are a sad sack of cookies. YOu have dug a hole you'll never get out of.

[EFerrari]

8. Wright didn't say Hillary couldn't be president although

her campaign did try to frame Obama as the black candidate that couldn't get elected.

And there is plenty of anger and disgust at Amerika in GD every day of the week.

[wndycty]

10. I didn't realize enlisting in the US military is sign of hating your country

You do realize Wright served in both the Marines and the Navy.

[Bentcorner]

39. And Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine. That doesn't mean anything.

[Tesha]

91. Max Cleland served also. But that doesn't matter when one has a good Republican Rant(tm) going. (NT)

[KittyWampus]

4. And those words were said in what context? A context 100% aligned with Democratic ideals

[ReverendDeuce]

6. Seriosuly, just grow the hell up...

I doubt you, as so many others, even listened to the sermon.

I am not even going to go into it, because you and your ilk are willingly putting your blinders on. You honestly only seem to care about democracy when it serves your interests. You only know one thing: this is ammunition for Hillary. And if it helps get your gal into office, then it's fair game.

If the voters won't elect Hillary, then her and her supporters will be damned if they let any other Democrat get elected.

[durrrty libby]

9. Don't forget "US KKK of A"

[live love laugh]

83. How many references to AmeriKKKa have been made here? What does THAT mean? n/t

[Skidmore]

11. The flip side of the perpetual chorus of "God bless America" and

the like are part and parcel of the Republican jingoism that has developed over the past several years. Superpatriotic sentiment and lack of constructive criticism is what got us into this mess. It is disgusting to see what should be the loyal opposition to the current Republican party engage in this type of bullshit--the most apt description I can think of for it. The most patriotic thing people can do now is to identify what is WRONG with American and get about the business of fixing it. Instead it sounds like some of you people would rather stand around and gaze at your navels and comment on who has the greatest belly button lint.

This is exactly why Clinton's campaign gets panned time and time again for engaging in Republican think.

[KittyWampus]

13. Many of the Religious Right actually say "God Damn America" but go on to blame gays

[ClassWarrior]

28. Have you ever even BEEN in a church?

NGU.

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[Unbowed]

80. Being able to say, God Damn America, is a democratic value. It's called freedom of speech.

Maybe you forgot that, huh?

[LSK]

107. no, believing ONLY the 5 second soundbite is a Republican value

And not looking at the context or what the actual message was is the classic republican value.

Thank you for proving the OP's point.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Wright promotes hateful and destructive values through his 50-odd ministries

Especially disturbing is the "Yoga" ministry:

ACTIVE SENIORS AND FRIENDS - are members and friends who are 55 years of age and older. They meet regularly for Bible study and fellowship. They participate in quarterly outings for inspiration and recreation, and provide ongoing care and keeping of other seniors.

ADOPT-A-STUDENT MINISTRY - is focused on trying to retain college students who have gone away from home and are studying at universities and colleges out of the city and state. Importantly, this ministry assures our college students that they: 1) belong to God, and 2) have a church home that cares about them.

AFRICA MINISTRY - promotes, educates and advocates issues concerning Africans in Africa and the Diaspora. Opportunities shall be provided for education, travel, fellowship, economic development, missionary work, financial support, and health education.

ATHLETES FOR CHRIST - welcomes young men and women to build their physical strengths through participation in Christian sport activities.

CAN-CER-VIVE - supports members and friends who are survivors, and/or are presently overcoming and/or encountering the many faces of cancer. The ministry plans and conducts seminars/workshops designed to explore and inform its members about matters of diet, grooming, spiritual support, care-giving/receiving and recreational activities.

CAREER DEVELOPMENT - provides information, training and job fairs to enable unemployed and underemployed members to compete and upgrade their employability for jobs with employers seeking "good" employees.

CARIBBEAN CONNECTION - This ministry is our Afrocentric congregation's attempt to educate our North American members about the many aspects of the Caribbean culture. These aspects include the cuisine, the peoples, the countries, the customs, and the religion of our Lord as practiced in the various Caribbean places.

CHURCH IN SOCIETY - (CIS) - continually seeks ways and opportunities to educate, inform and empower the congregation and community to understand, identify and to be effective advocates for social justice policies that better our lives and our world.

CHURCH SCHOOL - meets Saturday mornings and provides Bible instructions in classes for pre-school through adults.

COMMITTEE FOR CHURCH IN SOCIETY (CIS) - works to establish Christian principles in the economic, social and political aspects of our church and community life.

COUNSELING MINISTRY -Masters Degree Holders in counseling or related professions, enable Church members to receive private, Christian counseling in matters of individual, family, group and/or grief crises.

DANCE MINISTRY - includes children, youth, men and women who are taught the principles of modern dance, ballet, and interpretive dance. They are also taught the African roots of dance in worship and the biblical basis for praising God with dance!

Children's Dance - 7-9 years old
Pre Teen Dance - 10-12 years old
High School Dance - 13-18 years old
Adult Dance - Adult Men & Women

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ADVOCACY/CARE MINISTRY - provides Christian support, love and comfort to persons involved in emotional and physically abusive relationships, with husbands/wives, boyfriends/girlfriends or family members.

DRAMA MINISTRY - nurtures the innate abilities of expression present in all of our children and youth as they learn to communicate on the stage to the world.

DRILL TEAM - promotes an understanding of scripture, encourages academic excellence, heightens cultural awareness, fosters self-discipline and develops self-esteem.

Youth Drill Team - 13-18 years old
Women's Drill Team - adult women
Men's Drill Team - adult men
DRUG & ALCOHOL RECOVERY MINISTRY - meets each week with recovering members, their families and friends. Members Member's are encouraged to participate in Christian support groups which acknowledge that only "if the Son (of God) shall set you free, you shall be free, indeed."

EMMAUS ROAD MINISTRY - provides companions, prayer partners, helpers and friends for grieving persons, months after the passing of a loved one. Ongoing contact with the family is maintained.

FINE ARTS & LITERARY GUILD - informs the church family about artistic and cultural events focusing on African and African American heritage.

FOOD SHARE MINISTRY - provides fresh and canned food baskets on a monthly basis for the Hungry, the Homeless, and the Less Fortunate.

GIRL SCOUTS - involve young girls 9 - 17 years of age in the experience of scouting within our Afrocentric Christian environment.

GREETERS MINISTRY - welcome visitors and members to worship and special services.

HEALING MINISTRY - offers the laying on of hands to all who request prayer for healing of spirit, soul or body.

HEALTH ADVISORY MINISTRY - is dedicated to the prevention and treatment of physical and mental illnesses. HAB strives to inform and educate our members and community about "cutting edge" health issues.

HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELING - supports high school students to enhance their educational progress.

HIV/AIDS MINISTRY - offers comfort through support, education, and training for individuals, families and friends impacted by HIV and AIDS. Training Required.

HOSPITALITY MINISTRY - hosts family repasts, in-house ministry receptions and rolls out the "red carpet", for visitors gathered within our gates.

HOUSING MINISTRY - sponsors seminars to inform the church and community families about tax sales, "how to..." avoid foreclosure; purchase HUD homes; finance mortgages; etc.

INTERNAL SECURITY MINISTRY - provide security for the pastoral staff, members and V.I.P.'s. Additionally, the ministry assists ministries with securing funds when necessary and when offerings are received. Training Required.

INTONJANE - Swahili for "Coming into Womanhood" is a formal Rites of Passage program for young women, ages 8-18 years old. The program involves each participant in inspiring Christian, cultural and social awareness exercises.

ISUTHU - Swahili for "Coming into Manhood" is a formal Rites of Passage program for young men, ages 8-18 years old. The program involves each participant in inspiring Christian, cultural and social awareness exercises.

INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY MINISTRY - Information Technology Ministry (IT Ministry) provides Information and Technology related services to the church community.

KUJICHAGULIA - The 2nd principle of the Nguzo Saba, meaning "Self-Determination;" provides resources, networking and hands-on assistance to persons who are physically, mentally, and/or emotionally challenged.

LEGAL COUNSELING - The Legal Counseling Ministry nurtures the spiritual growth and development of Christian attorneys and other legal professionals, and provides legal assistance to the Trinity community.


MARRIED COUPLES - provide Christian context and insights for couples who are committed to building and maintaining Christian homes.

MATH TUTORIAL - involves elementary age youth in the rigorous discipline needed to increase their understanding of mathematical concepts.

MEDIA MINISTRY - provides services related to the audio, visual, print, photography and telecommunications. Subcommittees included in this ministry are:

Audio Recording
Audio Sound
Photography
Publications
Tape Sales & Duplication
Video Recording & Lights
MEN'S CELL GROUPS - provides a "safe place" for our brothers to "be themselves", sharing their joys and fears, defeats and victories, breaking down the age-old stereotype that says, "Men can't/don't pray."

MEN'S FELLOWSHIP - follow the traditional model of men in the church who are concerned about healthy and wholesome living with Christ at the center of their pilgrimage.

MILLION FOR THE MASTER - implements programs and services that promote the spiritual, economic, social and political viability of the African American community, focusing on bringing the church into the community and bringing the community into the church.

MINISTRY SERVICES - the mission of the Ministry Services Department is to serve the congregation, staff and Pastor in a responsive manner. To create partnerships between ministries and staff that fulfills the overall mission of the Pastor, Executive Minister and Church.

MUSIC MINISTRIES - God has richly blessed us to have a staff of professionally trained, Christian musicians who devotedly teach choir members to make an offering of their voices. Trinity's Music Department is made up of six choirs:

Imani Ya Watume - Swahili meaning "Messengers of Faith" (high school choir)
Little Warriors for Christ - age six years old through 8th grade.
Men's Chorus - over 90 participants (adult men)
Sanctuary Choir - over 200 participants (adult men and adult women)
Women's Chorus - over 200 participants (adult women)
Walaika - 3 to 5 year olds
NEWNESS OF LIFE -encourages new member candidates to begin their journey by providing informational and inspirational materials.

PRISON MINISTRY - visits the prisons every week of the year! To provide tutorial support and to engage the inmates in rap sessions and training programs.

PROJECT JEREMIAH - provides Christian role models and mentors for the boys and girls in elementary schools each week.

READING TUTORIAL - provides educational experiences through tutoring in reading for elementary school students.

SIGN LANGUAGE INTERPRETERS MINISTRY - provides interpreting and transliterating service so that hearing impaired people can become full participants in the shared worship experience, Bible study and other activities.

SINGLES COMMUNITY MINISTRY - addresses unique issues facing single Christian adults.

Never Married
Divorced
Widowed
Single Parent
Same Gender Loving
Upcoming Events
SISTERHOOD - provides an atmosphere where adult women build trust and explore ways to renew their strength for facing and resolving difficulties.

STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL - oversees the New Member orientation, administers the benevolence budget of the church, and assists with the financial needs of members who are enrolled in accredited seminaries.

Tangeni Adult Dance Ministry

Ministry Purpose/Objectives
The purpose of this ministry shall be to praise God in dance. In keeping with the church’s motto of being “Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian,” we recognize that praise and worship in dance is both an expression of our heritage and an acknowledgement of our faith. Tangeni, as led by the spirit, shall provide fellowship and nurturing to its members through devotion during rehearsals, seminars, retreats and other related activities. Tangeni provides an opportunity for its members to enhance and use their spiritual gifts in order that we may minister unto the church universal and the community at large


TAPE VISITATION MINISTRY - enhances the overall ministry of sick visitation by personally carrying services of worship (audio cassettes) to members and extended family who are hospitalized, shut-in at home and/or extended care facilities.

TRINITY COMPUTER LEARNING CENTER
Trinity Computer Learning Center (TCLC) is a faith-based training facility for Trinity United Church of Christ and the community at large using computer technology to help cross the digital divide.

USHER BOARD - are the doorkeepers in the house of the Lord. Include are:

Youth - 8-12 years old
Young Adult - 13-18 years old
Adult - Men and Women
VILLAGE KEEPERS - ensure that members are safely escorted to and from their cars and in between the 532, 421 and 400 buildings. They provide a presence of protection and security.

WOMEN'S GUILD - is the volunteer corps for the residents of the two Trinity sponsored senior residences.

YOGA MINISTRY - helps participants maintain physical, mental and spiritual fitness.

YOUNG ADULT MINISTRY - nurtures Christians between the ages of 18 and 35 by addressing issues and concerns of young African American Christian adults; and provides a bridge over which teenagers transition into adulthood.

YOUNG WOMEN'S CHRISTIAN WALK - provides character development from a Christian perspective. Activities are supportive of and sensitive to developing cultural and spiritual awareness.

YOUTH CHURCH MINISTRY PARTNERS - are committed to teaching children ages 3-10 years of age about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Through the use of Christian Education materials, music, prayers, and crafts, your child can participate in an atmosphere that is designed to teach them all the elements of worship. 3-year olds must be potty-trained and not wearing pull-ups. Space is limited to a first-come first-served basis at the 7:30 am and 11:00 am services. The space is also limited by the capacity of the classrooms for your child's particular age group.

http://www.tucc.org/ministries.htm

[beezlebum]

12. "first come first serve basis??" an outrage! outrage i tell you!!!

unbelievable discrimination against caucasians!!1!!1eleven!

usher board!! USHER board!! wtf!?? that's racist. why usher? why not justin timberlake? is it b/c he's white? is he not black enough for obama's church??

and what is this yoga business anyway? so blacks can get mind power over caucasians?

barack obama must be the david duke of black presidential hopefuls b/c his minister of 20 years has all of these anti-white ministries. that's it i'm voting for mccain.

[BigDDem]

16. I'd love to see clips of the drill team promoting scripture

:rofl:

DRILL TEAM - promotes an understanding of scripture, encourages academic excellence, heightens cultural awareness, fosters self-discipline and develops self-esteem.

Youth Drill Team - 13-18 years old
Women's Drill Team - adult women
Men's Drill Team - adult men

[rucky]

22. It's a sign of the apocolypse!

[MethuenProgressive]

14. "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."

"Wright's sermons are 100% aligned with Democratic ideals"
:rofl:

[nolabels]

30. So government is the answer to our problems then?

The government has been proven to be falsifying and fudging about so many things that the thought they would be lying about HIV wouldn't be that far a jump for people who don't study medical science closely.

I would make the case that the people that feel a need of making a red herring out of someone being wrong tells more about those people than the person that was mistaken

[KittyWampus]

44. Tuskagee Syphilis Experiment. An informed Democrat would acknowledge the possibility

[WillyT]

60. Word...

<snip>

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male<1> also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, Pelkola Syphilis Study, Public Health Service Syphilis Study or the Tuskegee Experiments was a clinical study, conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama, in which 399 (plus 201 control group without syphilis) poor — and mostly illiterate — African American sharecroppers were denied treatment for Syphilis.

This study became notorious because it was conducted without due care to its subjects, and led to major changes in how patients are protected in clinical studies. Individuals enrolled in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study did not give informed consent and were not informed of their diagnosis; instead they were told they had "bad blood" and could receive free medical treatment, rides to the clinic, meals and burial insurance in case of death in return for participating.<2>

In 1932, when the study started, standard treatments for syphilis were toxic, dangerous, and of questionable effectiveness. Part of the original goal of the study was to determine if patients were better off not being treated with these toxic remedies.

By 1947, penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Prior to this discovery, syphilis frequently led to a chronic, painful and fatal multisystem disease. Rather than treat all syphilitic subjects with penicillin and close the study, or split off a control group for testing penicillin; the Tuskegee scientists withheld penicillin and information about penicillin, purely to continue to study how the disease spreads and kills. Participants were also prevented from accessing syphilis treatment programs that were available to other people in the area. The study continued until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination.

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study, cited as "arguably the most infamous biomedical research study in U.S. history",<3> led to the 1979 Belmont Report, the establishment of the National Human Investigation Board, and the requirement for establishment of Institutional Review Boards.

<snip>

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male

:mad:

[IsItJustMe]

87. Well, they did tell us that Iraq had WMD, and now over a million people are dead. I guess you can

call me a skeptic also.

[Howardx]

17. more obamite desperation

how many diaries has there been about how wright doesnt matter?

[beezlebum]

21. the same number as

clinton supporters' (who don't like being called hillbots, btw) posts desperately spreading GOP racist smears and lies and framing obama as too black for teh presidency.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Your Closed Minded Arrogance Is Far More Republican Like Than Those Thinking For Themselves And

making their own opinion, with all due respect.

Hey, guess what: Not everyone here sees it in the same perspective as you do. Guess what: There's not a damn thing wrong with that. Guess what: Declaring that people aren't allowed to think for themselves, forge their own opinions, have to walk in lockstep, and think as you do in order for them to be Democrats, is the only damn thing in this thread that is anti-democratic on its face.

Grow up and open your mind a little. It is you who needs to embrace the opinions of others, not the other way around. Point the finger at yourself first pal.

[IsItJustMe]

88. Jeez, some folks just know their place, do they?

[JAbuchan08]

19. Hillary supporters enable GOP racism , just like their candidate enables GOP war

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[Stand and Fight]

32. How very "uniting" of you. n/t

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[Yurovsky]

23. He's 100% correct ...

and you can see by the false outrage from the Clintonites that he's getting to their inner racist.

[BigDDem]

26. "He's 100% correct "

Take that message to PA and beyond!!!!
Go Wright GO!!!!!

[ClassWarrior]

29. So tell me which parts are incorrect.

NGU.

[BigDDem]

35. I have no evidence that the government invented HIV

do you?

[KittyWampus]

46. Do you have a basic knowledge of when our Govt. has used biological warfare and used blacks

for biological experiments?

How about the CIA channeling crack into poor, minority neighborhoods.

It doesn't come close to proving AIDS=US Govt. experiment.

But there is precedent.

[BigDDem]

53. Nice dodge. I'll try again....read carefully.....

Do you have any evidence that the government invented HIV?

[BigDDem]

45. I have no evidence of the following, do you?

"The government lied about Pearl Harbor. They knew the Japanese were going to attack."

[Bake]

70. If he's 100% correct, as you say,

Then why did Obama have to disavow anything at all?

Bake

[beezlebum]

71. because of the

rw tendency to exaggerate and the lack of critical thinking skills, insight, and ability to decipher context among their followers...and apparently among many dems, unfortunately.

the fact that he had to "denounce" it just proves wrights point about thriving racism in america. that a black pastor can not say the things he said without the candidate associated with him coming under fire, while falwellian and robertsonian/regent grads infilitrate the white house and associated politicians are elected time and time again.

[knixphan]

95. bingo.

[ginnyinWI]

25. We never had so many Clinton supporters here before

the primary season started last summer or fall. It was always the "evil DLC" and stuff like that. This board was full of Progressives who wanted Dean for President in '04 and accused Kerry of being DLC (which he isn't). Kucinich was also a big favorite. Bill Clinton had a few admirers who loved "Big Dog", but that was about it. So what happened?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. No shit. I had no idea how many flag-fuckers and oppressed white people we had here.

[Maribelle]

36. Many Christian preachers preach the 'fire and brimstone' found in Wright's sermons.

Wright's massive problem, and Obama's massive problem for pretending he didn't hear this, however, is that in his sermons he has replaced "the Devil" with "god damn American", "rich white people" and "Hillary".

[Bentcorner]

38. The idea that the U.S. invented HIV is part of the Democratic platform?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

48. The US gov't DID flood African American communities with drugs

And they did allow African American men to go untreated for syphillis so they could study them like lab rats (Tuskegee experiment) so why is the accusation of them deliberately creating HIV that farfetched?

[Lucinda]

40. What seems to be exposed here, is some Obama supporters willing to agree with

outrageous things, to defend Obama.
Which is even more ironic now that he has denounced it.

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[leftynyc]

52. Are you accusing Sen Obama

of lying? That he does actually agree that the US government created AIDS as a genocide against black people? You mean Sen Obama is a politician who will say anything to get elected?

[Lucinda]

54. So are you saying he's lying and throwing his spiritual advisor under the bus then?

Because people are upset?

[Tellurian]

90. Racist Comments like this are against DU Rules.

or don't you care?

[beezlebum]

49. what outrageous things?

that blacks have been treated unfairly?
that america has an extremely racist history?
that america has an extremely violent history?
that america has supported fascist "rebels" to overthrow democratic, benevolent govts in favor of violent, oppressive, fascist regimes taht support american agendas?

[Lucinda]

50. Have you seen the speeches?

[ClassWarrior]

57. No. Enlighten me.

NGU.

[beezlebum]

58. yes, particularly the ones posted on RW hate sites.

and what's especially sad here is that so many progressives are actually echoing RW sentiment- like those on this one white supremacist site- i thought i was on DU until i saw the hitler icon in the sig lines of all the posters.

and now i ask, have YOU?

[Lucinda]

Yup. I certainly have.

[beezlebum]

64. care to elaborate on teh parts that are so outrageous?

n/t

[Lucinda]

65. Well...let's see

I'm not particularly fond of US of KKK A
His saying the government creating AIDS to kill black people
Air humping during a sermon while saying Bill did to blacks what he did to Monica
God Damn American from the pulpit

There may be more. Those are what comes immediately to mind.

[beezlebum]

67. thjanks for the list- that's what i was aking for- now, context my friend

US of KKK A- are you really going to argue that the us does not have a racist history that was largely influenced by the klan up until as recently as when wright was a grown man? and that it is still, apparently, very much racist?

the US creating AIDS- are you all that skeptical? after syphilis/Tuskegee? do you honestly trust that your government never used biological warfare? nor blacks as lab rats? do you think they are above it?

bill did fuck blacks.

and i feel like a "god damn"ed broken record on the god damn america part. ask yourself if you are a nationalist or a patriot- a patriot would have no problem with saying god damn america rather than asking for the almighty's blessings for the atrocities america has committed and which wright was referencing to. a patriot is willing condemn his country when it commits acts that are inexcusable; a nationalist is blindly loyal to his country and makes excuses for condemnable acts. only a nationalist would be so deeply offended by those remarks.

[EFerrari]

73. Well, let's run it down.

After Katrina -- which isn't over for displaced black residents of NOLA, the US of KKK remark just isn't very out there, is it?

And, this is a man to whom the Tuskeegee study is real, not a distant historical event.

Three strikes, welfare "reform", NAFTA all happened on Bill Clinton's watch, right? Bill Clinton courted black voters but his programs weren't acts of love.

As far as "damning" America from the pulpit, see the above three items.

His rhetoric must seem over the top for people who are used to a different kind of service.

[Lucinda]

62. Yup. I certainly have.

[knixphan]

94. hear hear

[KittyWampus]

51. then just admit you don't agree with Democratic ideals on social justice.

[Lucinda]

59. Why do you assume you know what I think about Wright's comments?

[ClassWarrior]

74. Do tell. What do you think?

NGU.

[txaslftist]

41. "Willing to align themselves with Republican Values...?"

Hell, Hillary would sleep with a snake or drop Chelsea from a plane if it would get her the nomination. Aligning herself with Republicans is a tiny sacrifice compared to what she'd be willing to do.

[elixir]

55. Boy CS, this must be a tough time for you. You really had to reach to put this one together.

So, if I understand you correctly, if you don't agree w/ Wright you're anti democratic? Hmmm, I don't think so.

On top of that, if you have to parse this thing as much as you have, you've lost your audience after the first graph. There's no pretty way to step out of this doodoo, Obama's has to take off the shoe and throw it away to survive this tragedy.

[bridgit]

61. Well now isn't this some high-riding, apologetic gibberish...

Nifty-Neato :thumbsup:

[ClassWarrior]

69. Here's the proof, on video. DU's greatest hits...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjvNSpsPu1k

NGU.

[bridgit]

104. Everyone knows that, but that's not even what I'm referring to for instance, "For instance, 9/11...

"...was blowback from the US arming the Mujahadim. Compare this to Rightwing Fundies who claim 9/11 was God punishing gays." is simply too simple minded, a passage itself marked by a similar lack of depth found little outside they such as Foxnews go figure. Many people even here contend that 9/11 occurred by way of an amalgam of wrongs put upon the world via Uncle Sam i.e. support for Israel & by extension tyranny then put upon Palestine, a further Wahabi revolutionary onslaught little other than made possible by the trillions of petro dollars flowed into the ME by forces every bit as pervasive as the Bilderberg Group, a grander Carlyle-esque coup upon not just the WH and financial systems; but the financial systems of the entire world witness masses of insurance stocks and others in states of flux and trade hours before the towers fell. No...

I'm not going to respond to every bullet point in an already skewed proposition. I leave that for others to either know or not know. That is their decision to make. But I know this...

Foxnews don't matter; they're small potatoes

[whatchamacallit]

63. I've decided if Americans are dumb enough to fall for the Obama = Wright deceit

then fuck 'em, they deserve to be led around like sheep. This is how we got 8 years of Bush, and if they fall for it again, it's how we'll end up with Hillary or McCain. Hopefully, we'll be able to say "sorry hill supporters, the people have had enough of this bullshit".

[girl_interrupted]

66. But when Obama wants to attract repub voters..it's okay?

I remember Obama lauding Reagan and the "change" he brought. And how he, Obama wants to unite us all and bring republicans in to vote, so we can be one happy family. And let us not forget John Kerry, and his idea of picking John Mc Cain for VP. Wright is stuck in the past and there is nothing he preaches, that I as a democrat, stand for. People of all colors were a part of the civil rights struggle, like Andrew Goodman & Michael Schwerner & Viola Gregg Liuzzo, who gave their lives and thousands of others who marched with Dr. Martin Luther King.

Did he forget that? Did he forget about desegregation and Affirmative Action? Is Wright going to tell me there are no black doctors, lawyers, professors, politicans, athletes and Supreme Court justices that are black? Is he going to tell me women weren't also denied civil rights, voting rights, access to birth control? According to Wrights logic, as a Woman I should hate all Men, because of what I was denied. But unlike Wright, I know better. I know men also helped women, in their struggle.

Did he also forget Obama was raised in a white household, not a black one? And where was Wright during Katrina? I know Condi Rice was out shoe shopping & theater going.

I'm sorry but Wright preaches Hate, period.

[beezlebum]

68. "I'm sorry but Wright preaches Hate, period."

"Did he also forget Obama was raised in a white household, not a black one? And where was Wright during Katrina? I know Condi Rice was out shoe shopping & theater going."

hey DU- i think racist freepers have fully infiltrated the board.

some fucked up logic in that post.

[girl_interrupted]

75. Well if Wright is going to bitch, he should get his facts straight

Was Obama the typical black youth? No. Does Obama want to reach out to republicans? Yes. Were blacks the only ones involved in the civil rights struggle? No. Where were Obama and Oprah and Wright during Katrina? You got me. Did Condi Rice go out of her way to help during Katrina? No. Should Women hate all men because they were also denied civil and voting rights? No. Did desegregation & Affirmative Action & the Civil rights act of 1964 happen? Yes. Are there no black lawyers, doctors, professors, politicans, or Supreme Court Justices? Yes, there are.

Rev Wright is old school, he's the past, that I thought Obama wanted to distance himself from. We can accomplish more together, than divided. People like Wright divide, they don't unite. And if you don't know that, you know nothing. And apparently, he doesn't and neither do you.

[EFerrari]

100. You seem to have the impression that you know more than

this much degreed man with a lifetime of experience working in the community. Let's see if we can address your points backward because as most of them are backward, that might make more sense to you.

In fact, Wright grew his congregation from a small one to one thousands strong so, you are wrong. He is a uniter.

Blacks are vastly underrepresented in the professions, fyi.

The Civil Rights Act wasn't enough to make desegregation successful. What typically happened, for example, is that the black school in the district would be shut down and those kids were sent to the white school. Remember Jena? Desegregation is "old school". We're in Resegregation now. The struggle is never over.

What women hating men has to do with this, only you know in the privacy of your mind.

If you really don't know who did what during Katrina, you might start by watching Spike Lee's documentary.

Blacks were not the only ones in the Civil Rights Movement but it was overwhelmingly their children who were blown up, their churches that were burned down, their people who were beaten, mutilated and killed. For you to minimize that in any way is reprehensible whether you do that out of ignorance or not.

As far as Obama's youth goes, his early life is mixed like most people's lives are. So, yes, in that respect he is typical. No one handed him his talent or intelligence, those are his. No one handed him his academic achievements, those are also his. Have you ever taught at at university? Successful black male students are rare and not because they can't perform but because the deck is stacked against getting to school and then against being able to stay there. It doesn't matter if your parents have money or if they are powerful or not. The stresses are significantly greater for black students than they are for white students. They certainly were when I taught at Berkeley and that is a progressive campus in most respects.

Before you distance yourself from the past, you have to know something about that past just as before you can function adequately in the present, you have to be able to situate yourself in the reality of that present.

[uponit7771]

72. It definantly underscores how many people who aren't progressive

[itcfish]

76. Oh Please. HIllary

is doing no such thing. Get a grip. Stick to the issues and stop with this "blame everything" on Hillary. Obama is not perfect just like Hillary isn't. Deal with it.

[beezlebum]

77. did you read the OP?

[JoFerret]

78. Nonsense

.

[rodeodance]

79. More silly crap from obama folk.

[kdpeters]

81. Absolutely. I can't believe this right wing BS has found a receptive audience at DU

I know that it would make most white folks uncomfortable, but that's why they need to hear it. But here at DU, I'm really shocked at some of the otherwise non-bot Hillary supporters pushing the "racist" "hate speech" "anti-America" talking points. I don't see how any DU regular can listen to even the most hacked of the sound-bite clips and not understand what he was saying and at least empathize if not out and out agree with both the substance as well as the style. I am one white Christian atheist that would love to attend Rev. Wright's sermons. He speaks the truth. The only remarks that I can understand people taking exception to, are those specifically about the Clintons. Everything else I understand is shocking to hear, but shouldn't be offensive to anyone posting on DU.

Even if they do sound offensive to the ears of some DUers, they're clearly clipped for sound bites. I can't believe how many have clearly not bothered listen to more complete unedited versions for context. Instead, they run with these knee-jerk "racism" charges and breathless enforcement of showy jingo-buzz word patriotism, even when America kills thousands of innocent people. Like you said, it's a mindset much more typical of Republicans.

[Evergreen Emerald]

85. seiously? Where have you been? The right wing crap against Clinton

has been praised and cheered on DU. You are just now noticing right-wing values on DU?

[IsItJustMe]

97. Is that why HRC chooses McCain over Obama. HRC has made her own bed and it's to the right.

[Evergreen Emerald]

98. "chosen?" you are distorting Clinton's statment...are you suggesting

That Obama has chosen Republicans over Democrats when he praised Reagan years over Clinton years? I have seen Obama repeatedly criticize Clinton. Or is your double standard so ingrained that you do not even see it?

[IsItJustMe]

101. Reagan is dead. McCain is running for president. I, as a Democrat, will never forget what Hillary

said. PERIOD.

[Evergreen Emerald]

103. How convenient for you as you are an Obama supporter.

Obama took the opportunity to attack the Clinton Presidency by praising Reagan over Clinton--in an effort to gain political favor so he could get a conservative newspaper endorsement.

That was a betrayal to the democratic party. But, that is ok with you cause Reagan is dead. Well, Bill Clinton is not dead. The democrats are not dead.

Hillary Clinton pointed out the truth: that Obama has no experience and she and McCain do. I don't know how many times Obama has pointed out that only he could beat McCAin, and Clinton cannot. He is doing the same thing Clinton did. But, go ahead. Keep your head in the sand.

[kdpeters]

105. You got me there.

I almost said as much the first time. I've seen enough right-wing stuff show up on DU -- about Clinton, about all kinds of issues -- I'm no longer surprised. I can't say I'm not disappointed, though. I guess one should expect a diverse range of opinions. I'm not even complaining about more conservative stances. Lord knows my point of view often lands me in a tiny minority. I've just come to expect, for most DUers, that their opinions are informed, considered, and in good faith most of the time.

[IsItJustMe]

96. Any idiot can get on this forum and post. You always have to keep that in mind when reading.

[Texas Hill Country]

89. you are wrong.

[MethuenProgressive]

92. "Wright's sermons are 100% aligned with Democratic ideals" < from the OP

"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

That's not a Democratic ideal.

[IsItJustMe]

93. They sure are. The only people I hear smearing him are Republicans and HRC supporters.

Some day we will take DU back.

[kdpeters]

106. And thus you prove the point of the OP

From the OP:

To seize on a very few words, take them out of context and knowingly twist their meaning shows a sick capacity to abandon ones principles.

[knixphan]

99. I Predicted

at the beginning, that Barack's campaign would serve a valuable purpose - to smoke out all the closeted racists, bringing them, (and our collective dysfunction) into view.

Most of them are clearly republican conservatives, and easy to categorize. But many of them have taken refuge within the democratic ranks - and are mostly active withing Hillary's camp (Ferarro, anyone?)

We need to see this now, so we know who the real progressives are. The young Dean and Obama supporters represent the next generation of liberal values. We have to get the young folks front and center, so that the party can shed this cancer once and for all.

Good for you, cryingshame - and shame on folks who refer to themselves as liberals, but would rather vote in more allegiance to the wealthy.

Si Se Puede.

[knixphan]

102. Robertson/Hagee

...someone should begin posting some of the gems from these Bush/McCain supporters. For balance.

We have the government bailing out BearStearns, but refusing national health care...

3 Supreme Court positions potentially up fro grabs in the next few years...

And here we have the best candidate - being attacked (partially from within) because...what?