Clinton: McCain would keep troops in Iraq 100 years - On Obama, 'Just words for five years'

[bigtree]

from The Swamp: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_mccain_would_keep_troo.html




Speaking at George Washington University this morning, Clinton tied McCain to President Bush, saying there would be little difference in policy if McCain became president.

“Sen. McCain would gladly accept the torch and stay the course, keeping troops in Iraq for up to 100 years if necessary,” she said. “That in a nutshell is the Bush-McCain Iraq policy – don’t learn from your mistakes, repeat them.”

“We can have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for a hundred years, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq,” said Clinton. “Sen. McCain and President Bush claim withdrawal is defeat. Let’s be clear, withdrawal is not defeat. Defeat is keeping troops in Iraq for 100 years.”

Clinton did not reserve her criticism for McCain alone. She also charged that Obama did not begin working to end the war until he began running for president. And, she pointed out, one of Obama’s top foreign policy advisers told the BBC that if elected, Obama would not follow his campaign plan to withdraw troops from Iraq. That adviser, Samantha Power, has since resigned.

“I have concrete, detailed plans to end this war and I have not wavered on my commitment to follow through on them,” said Clinton, who pledged to follow through “as responsibly and as quickly as possible.”




Here’s a Clinton campaign memo distributed to reporters this morning in advance of Clinton’s Iraq policy speech in Washington: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6546


To: Interested Parties From: The Clinton Campaign Date: March 17, 2008 RE: Just Words for Five Years

Over the last few weeks, the question of who is most ready to be Commander-in-Chief has rightfully dominated the presidential campaign. Who is ready to take the 3 a.m. call? Who has a record of action on national security issues? Who is ready to be president on day one?

Senator Clinton has worked to answer these questions by presenting her record to voters and enabling them to judge her based on the record she has amassed during her 35 years of public service - as a first lady who traveled to 82 countries and as a U.S. Senator who sits on the Armed Services Committee.

Lacking a comparable record, Senator Obama has premised his campaign on just words, most notably the resounding speech he delivered in October 2002 against the Iraq war.

But with the fifth anniversary of the invasion upon us, the onus is now on Senator Obama to demonstrate what he did to act on that 2002 speech when he got to the U.S. Senate.

Hillary has long argued that what matters in this campaign isn’t what we’ve said but what we’ve done. Are words backed with action?

This week, the Clinton Campaign will continue to discuss which candidate is ready to be Commander-in-Chief on day one. We will urge Senator Obama to show that he hasn’t simply amassed five years of words, that his record on ending the war is one of action.

Senator Obama gave an anti-Iraq speech in 2002 that he removed from his website in 2003, calling it “dated.” When he got to the Senate, Senator Obama failed to take advantage of the opportunity provided by his new position and did little to turn his words into action until he became a White House candidate. In fact, he voted for over $300 billion in funds for the war and waited 18 months to speak on the Senate floor about Iraq, delivering a speech AGAINST the Kerry amendment that set a hard deadline for withdrawal.

When he took over the subcommittee that oversees NATO and Afghanistan and had a chance to follow up on the part of his 2002 speech that argued that Iraq diverted attention from Afghanistan, he failed to hold a single hearing. And as a candidate, he regularly touts a plan to set a hard end date for Iraq that has now been dismissed by one of his foreign policy advisers as just words.

Voters need to know whether they can count on their candidates to act on the ideas they tout on the stump. While Senator Clinton has acted on the words she uses on the campaign trail, Senator Obama’s words aren’t backed by action.

At the end of the day, the true test for a president is not the speeches he or she delivers - it’s whether he or she delivers on the speeches.

[rodeodance]

1. REC

[bigtree]

49. March 17, 2008 IRAQ: Hillary's Remarks at The George Washingon University (transcript)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553

[rodeodance]

71. Thanks

[surfermaw]

87. What a darn lie, Hillary has always said she would bring the troops home in the first year

[SaveAmerica]

92. What are you responding to? He said "REC"! Hillary would not commit to bringing the troops home

I'm very interested in our candidates responses to Iraq questions, bringing the troops home safely is the #1 issue for me right now. She was noncommittal about bringing the troops home in the debates and didn't start responding with any type of plans for bringing them home until many of the debates had passed.

[rodeodance]

2. I heard her--months ago talk of SAFE plan to get the troops out.

[beachmom]

3. Ha, ha, ha!! What Hillary did was not oppose this war until January 2007, when

I am sure was coincidence, she started running for President of the United States. Listen, Hil, SOME OF US, have been following your career in the Senate closely, and we know you did not lead on this issue AT ALL.

[maximusveritas]

Exactly! She says nothing in that entire release about what she did to end the war

Does she not see the irony in releasing this right before she's going to give a speech and just say some words about ending the war?

[rodeodance]

7. "he [BO] failed to hold a single hearing."===

When he took over the subcommittee that oversees NATO and Afghanistan and had a chance to follow up on the part of his 2002 speech that argued that Iraq diverted attention from Afghanistan, he failed to hold a single hearing. And as a candidate, he regularly touts a plan to set a hard end date for Iraq that has now been dismissed by one of his foreign policy advisers as just words.

[bigtree]

11. Of course, that's different from what she actually said

"When he got to the Senate, Senator Obama failed to take advantage of the opportunity provided by his new position and did little to turn his words into action until he became a White House candidate."

Is there a timeline of action in the Senate on Iraq that you could point me to for Sen. Obama?


Here's the one Sen. Clinton has offered:

http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq/

[stillcool]

26. I'm sure there is something on his website...

but here's a couple of articles from a while back...

Obama Bill Sets Date For Troop Withdrawal

Candidate Goes Further Than Rivals

By Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 31, 2007; Page A04

Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, one of the most prominent Democrats in the 2008 presidential field, proposed for the first time setting a deadline for withdrawing troops from Iraq, as part of a broader plan aimed at bolstering the freshman senator's foreign policy credentials.

Obama's legislation, offered on the Senate floor last night, would remove all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008. The date falls within the parameters offered by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which recommended the removal of combat troops by the first quarter of next year.

The senator offered his ideas in the midst of an intense congressional debate over President Bush's latest Iraq proposal, to deploy an additional 21,500 U.S. troops to curtail an increasingly virulent insurgency. It also coincides with the launch of the 2008 campaign, with Obama, as well as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), former senator John Edwards (N.C.) and other Democrats forming exploratory committees.

Obama's timetable for completing a withdrawal puts him at odds with other leading rivals for the Democratic nomination. Clinton supports capping the number of troops at their levels of Jan. 1. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (Conn.) has proposed a similar troop cap. But neither has embraced a timetable for a troop removal. Edwards has been outspoken in his opposition to Bush's new plan and has called for the immediate withdrawal of 40,000 to 50,000 troops. But he, too, has stopped short of setting firm date by which all would be removed.
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The Obama plan, called the Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007, would begin a troop withdrawal no later than May 1, 2007, but it includes several caveats that could forestall a clean break:

It would leave a limited number of troops in place to conduct counterterrorism activities and train Iraqi forces. And the withdrawal could be temporarily suspended if the Iraqi government meets a series of benchmarks laid out by the Bush administration. That list includes a reduction in sectarian violence; the equitable distribution of oil revenue; government reforms; and democratic, Iraqi-driven reconstruction and economic development efforts. Obama's proposal also would reverse Bush's troop-increase plan.

The buildup is broadly opposed by Democrats, who believe that their constituents want to see the war end.

Obama described his proposal as a mainstream package of well-vetted ideas, consistent with the Iraq Study Group's recommendations and "with what the American people demanded in the November election," when they voted Republicans out of power in both the House and the Senate.
Staff writer Dan Balz contributed to this report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001586.html

[bigtree]

33. this is the entirety of Sen. Obama's Iraq page on his Senate site:

Iraq

In October 2002, before being elected to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama made a speech opposing the Bush Administration's plan to go to war in Iraq because he felt it was an ill-conceived venture which would "require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

Now, as a U.S. Senator, Senator Obama has continued to critique the Administration's mishandling of this war, and believes that while our troops have done an outstanding job in Iraq, there can be no military solution to what is inherently a political conflict between Iraq's warring factions. The only hope to end this burgeoning civil war is for Shias, Sunnis, and Kurds to come together and resolve their differences. That's why Senator Obama agrees with the Iraq Study Group's conclusion that we must begin a phased redeployment of American troops to signal to the government and people of Iraq that ours is not an open-ended commitment.

To set a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war, Senator Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation Act in January 2007. The legislation would have begun a redeployment of U.S. forces no later than May 1, 2007, with the goal of removing all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008, a date that was consistent with the expectation of the Iraq Study Group.

The Obama plan allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain as basic force protection, to pursue international terrorists, and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces. If the Iraqis are successful in meeting the 13 benchmarks for progress laid out by the Bush Administration, this plan also allows for the temporary suspension of the redeployment, provided Congress agrees that the benchmarks have been met and that the suspension is in the national security interest of the United States. (More info: Press Release on Iraq War De-escalation Act and Senator Obama's Speech about the Bill.)

Since this legislation was introduced, Senator Obama has continued to be a strong advocate for legislative actions that could bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. He opposes funding for the war in Iraq that does not immediately begin the responsible removal of our troops from Iraq, with a clear timeline and end-date for this drawdown.

Senator Obama has also stressed the importance of holding private security contractors like Blackwater USA accountable to ensure that their conduct is not jeopardizing our military's efforts to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. In February 2007, he introduced the Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act. One provision, which requires federal departments to compile and report information to Congress on the role of contractors operating in Iraq, was passed by Congress as an amendment to the defense authorization act. Senator Obama is also working to pass other components of his legislation to increase accountability of American security contractors operating in war zones by subjecting them to U.S. criminal law.


Speeches

In two major speeches, Senator Obama laid out his views on the war and how America's involvement in the war needs to change.

* Speech to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs - November 20, 2006
* Speech to the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations - November 22, 2005

Other Statements on Iraq

* Statement on the Senate Floor - January 19, 2007
* Podcast: Against an Escalation in Iraq - January 3, 2007
* Statement on the Senate Floor - June 21, 2006

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/iraq/

[stillcool]

53. Thanks for the links...

I was too lazy to go look. Odd that it doesn't include the bill he introduced. Maybe, because it didn't pass?

[rodeodance]

12. You look FOOLISH when you speak without knowing her record:

Ha, ha, ha!! What Hillary did was not oppose this war until January 2007, when
Posted by beachmom


I am sure was coincidence, she started running for President of the United States. Listen, Hil, SOME OF US, have been following your career in the Senate closely, and we know you did not lead on this issue AT ALL.



Since 2005, Hillary has consistently support redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq.


http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6548

[arewenotdemo]

61. Hmmm. This was also from 2005, on Meet the Press:

SCHIEFFER: "Well, what do you mean 'long time'? Do you mean years?"

Sen. CLINTON: "If I could just add to what Senator Graham said, because I think it's really important we underscore this. Senator McCain made the point earlier today, which I agree with, and that is, it's not so much a question of time when it comes to American military presence for the average American; I include myself in this. But it is a question of casualties. We don't want to see our young men and women dying and suffering these grievous injuries that so many of them have. We've been in South Korea for 50-plus years. We've been in Europe for 50-plus. We're still in Okinawa with respect to protection there coming out of World War II."

"You know, we have been in places for very long periods of time. And in recent history, we've made a commitment to Bosnia and Kosovo, and I think what is different is the feeling that we're on a track that is getting better and that we can see how the Iraqi government will begin to assume greater and greater responsibility. The elections were key to that. The training, equipment, equipping and motivating of the Iraqi security forces is key to that. But so is our understanding that if we were to artificially set a deadline of some sort, that would be like a green light to the terrorists, and we can't afford to do that."

http://space4peace.blogspot.com/2005/02/hillary-joins-neo-con-war-in-iraq.html

The simple fact that she ever thought that American troops could remain in country in Iraq without being targeted 24/7 speaks to how delusional she really has been about the war and occupation.

[elixir]

86. link

http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq/

[krkaufman]

117. In fact, she was a vocal supporter of the war for quite some time. n/t

[rodeodance]

4. Glad to see her doing this.

When he took over the subcommittee that oversees NATO and Afghanistan and had a chance to follow up on the part of his 2002 speech that argued that Iraq diverted attention from Afghanistan, he failed to hold a single hearing. And as a candidate, he regularly touts a plan to set a hard end date for Iraq that has now been dismissed by one of his foreign policy advisers as just words.

[Drachasor]

68. Subcommittees don't DO ANYTHING; that's a fact as many in the senate have said

They are more for show than anything else. The Full Committee handles basically everything.

[rodeodance]

77. So what has he done?--Care to elaborate or just spout off??

[Drachasor]

80. He's done plenty of things in the Senate

These are all bills he sponsored or co-sponsored (and were made into law, but note that this is not a comprehensive list):
He started and helped pass one of the comprehensive ethics reform bills.
When it was clear the patriot act couldn't be stopped, he worked to reduce it's more outrageous offenses against our rights.
He worked to strengthen the Freedom of Information act.
He worked to make sure companies receiving government funds had to keep full disclosure.

That's just a fraction of what he has done.

Pretending he has done nothing is ludicrous (in fact his bills often are of a wider scope than Hillary's, and overall his record while he has been in the senate compares favorably to hers).

[rodeodance]

81. No one has said he did nothing. Here is Hillary's list on the war:

Thanks to Bigtree
What did Hillary Clinton do about Iraq after Bush invaded?
Posted by bigtree

Timeline of activity on Iraq . . .

LINKS FOR ALL ENTRIES, HERE: http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq /


* January 28, 2008

Senator Clinton Welcomes Additional Support for Legislation Requiring Congressional Approval for Security Agreements with Iraq

* December 19, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Senate Iraq Funding Votes

* December 12, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls for Investigation of Reported Rape and Detention of American Contractor in Iraq

* December 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Require Congressional Approval for Security Agreements with Iraq

* November 27, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Renounce Permanent Bases in Iraq

* October 23, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Bush Administration's Request for Additional Iraq War Funding

* October 4, 2007

Bipartisan Group of Senators Introduce Bill to Require Report on Iraq Redeployment Planning from Administration

* September 28, 2007

Congress Passes Dodd-Clinton Amendment to Expand Family and Medical Leave Benefits to Wounded Soldiers and Their Families

* September 26, 2007

Senate Unanimously Approves Clinton Amendment to Increase Temporary Lodging Expenses for Servicemembers

* September 26, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment

* September 20, 2007

Letter to Constituents from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Policy

* September 13, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Response to the President's Address to the Nation


HIGHLIGHTS

* Senator Clinton Calls for Redeployment Planning

* Letter to Constituents from Senator Clinton on Iraq Policy

* Statement of Senator Clinton on the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* Senator Clinton Announces Legislation to End Authority for Iraq War

* Senator Clinton's Plan to End the War

* Senator Clinton's 2007 Trip to Iraq and Afghanistan

* Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President's Speech on Iraq

* Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Study Group Report

* Statement of Senator Clinton on the Resignation of Secretary Rumsfeld

* September 12, 2007

Letter from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to President Bush in Advance of His Speech to the Nation on Iraq

* September 12, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq at a Faster Pace

* September 11, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker on Iraq at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* September 7, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq

* September 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Answer Key Questions on Iraq Policy

* September 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General James Jones (Ret.) on the Findings of the Iraqi Security Forces Independent Assessment Commission

* September 5, 2007

Letter from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to President Bush

* August 23, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Key Judgments of the Iraq National Intelligence Estimate

* August 22, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Calling for Political Change in Iraq

* August 22, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Response to President Bush's Remarks at the Convention of Veterans of Foreign Wars

* August 13, 2007

Clinton Calls on President Bush to Clarify Administration Policy on Resuming the Military Draft; Affirm His Commitment to the All-Volunteer Force

* August 11, 2007

Clinton Calls on President Bush & Defense Secretary Gates to Clarify Administration Policy on Resuming the Military Draft, and Affirm Their Commitment to an All-volunteer Force

* August 2, 2007

Clinton, Kerry & Boxer Introduce Legislation Requiring Pentagon to Prepare for Iraq Redeployment

* August 1, 2007

Senator Clinton Responds to Vice President Cheney

* July 31, 2007

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Questions Admiral Michael Mullen and General James Cartwright at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* July 31, 2007

Nominee for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Commits to Senator Clinton to Brief Congress on Redeployment Planning

* July 25, 2007

Senator Clinton Applauds Unanimous Senate Approval of Bill to Help Wounded Servicemembers

* July 23, 2007

Senators Clinton, Webb, Byrd & Bayh Call for Armed Services Hearing to Focus on Redeployment of U.S. Forces from Iraq

* July 20, 2007

Clinton Calls on Gates to Explain Pentagon's Position on Planning for the Redeployment of U.S. Forces from Iraq; Renews Call on the Bush Administration to Immediately Provide a Redeployment Strategy

* July 20, 2007

Clinton, Kerry Legislation Requires Pentagon to Prepare for Iraq Redeployment

* July 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Speaks on the Senate Floor on Iraq

* July 12, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Initial Benchmark Assessment Report

* July 12, 2007

Byrd, Clinton Press for End to Iraq War Resolution

* July 10, 2007

Op-ed: This is Not Our Fight

* June 27, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls for New Foreign Policy to Meet Challenges Around the World

* June 27, 2007

Keynote Address of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Center for a New American Security

* June 21, 2007

Letter to Constituents from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Policy

* June 14, 2007

Senate Armed Services Committee Approves Clinton Measures to Help Wounded Servicemembers

* June 7, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Lieutenant General Douglas Lute at Senate Armed Services Committee Confirmation Hearing

* May 24, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* May 23, 2007

Clinton Calls on Pentagon to Plan for Withdrawal from Iraq

* May 22, 2007

Senator Clinton Sponsors Bill to Provide Free Postage for Military Families

* May 22, 2007

Kerry, Clinton, Emanuel, Murphy and Walz Fight for Full Troop Pay Increase

* May 18, 2007

Senators Clinton & Webb Call for Investigation into the Effectiveness of Body Armor Issued to Our Troops

* May 17, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Internet Video of Apparent Honor Killing

* May 15, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Feingold-Reid and Levin-Reid Amendments

* May 15, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Recent Attack on 10th Mountain Division Soldiers in Iraq

* May 9, 2007

Defense Secretary Unclear if War Authorization Still Applies

* May 3, 2007

Senator Clinton Announces Legislation to End Authority for Iraq War

* May 3, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Floor Statement of Senator Byrd

* May 3, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions U.S. Central Commander Admiral William Fallon at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* May 3, 2007

Byrd, Clinton Call for End of 2002 Use of Force Resolution

* May 1, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President's Veto of the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* April 26, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Passage of Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* April 19, 2007

Clinton Presses Bush Pentagon on Contracting Abuses in Iraq

* April 12, 2007

Clinton Continues to Fight for Our Troops & Veterans;

Questions Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Officials About Treatment of Servicemembers and Veterans at Joint Armed Services-Veteran Affairs Committee Hearing

* April 11, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton Introduce Legislation to Provide Better Care for Soldiers with Traumatic Brain Injury

* April 10, 2007

Senator Clinton Continues Fight for Our Troops & Veterans

* March 29, 2007

Clinton Announces Initiative to Improve Detection and Treatment of Traumatic Brain Injury

* February 17, 2007

Clinton Plan to End War:

Reject the President's Escalation; Protect U.S. Troops in Iraq; Begin Redeploying Our Troops; Enables President to End War Before Leaving Office

* February 14, 2007

Clinton: No Military Action on Iran Without Congressional Authority

* February 13, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on General Schoomaker to Provide Truthful Assessment of Conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan

* February 8, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Vote on Confirmation of General George W. Casey to be Army Chief of Staff

* February 7, 2007

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Speaks on Iraq on the Senate Floor

* February 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Raises Iraq and Darfur with Defense Secretary Gates and General Pace, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on the Administration's FY 08 Department of Defense Budget Request

* February 1, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General George Casey Jr. on His Nomination to be United States Army Chief of Staff

* January 30, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Admiral William J. Fallon, Nominee for Commander, United States Central Command

* January 25, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Regarding the Pentagon Decision to Extend the Combat Tour of Soldiers from 10th Mountain Division Brigade in Afghanistan

* January 25, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Defense Secretary William Perry, Ambassador Dennis Ross, and General Jack Keane on Iraq Strategy

* January 23, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General David Petraeus at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* January 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Discusses Iraq on PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer

* January 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Discusses Iraq on Fox News

* January 17, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Resolution on Iraq Introduced by Senators Biden, Hagel, Levin and Snowe

* January 17, 2007

Bayh, Clinton Call for More Troops in Afghanistan

* January 17, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Discuss Their Visit with US Troops in Iraq & Afghanistan

* January 13, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Complete Iraq Visit, Leave for Afghanistan

* January 12, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Visit US Troops in Iraq & Afghanistan

* January 10, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President’s Speech on Iraq

* December 7, 2006

Senator Clinton Questions the Co-Chairs of the Iraq Study Group, James Baker and Lee Hamilton, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* December 6, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Study Group Report

* December 5, 2006

Senator Clinton Questions Defense Secretary Nominee Robert Gates at the Senate Armed Services Committee Confirmation Hearing

* November 15, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Questions General John Abizaid, Commander, U.S. Central Command, and Ambassador David Satterfield, the State Department’s Coordinator for Iraq, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on the Current Situation and U.S. Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan

* November 8, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Resignation of Secretary Rumsfeld

* October 31, 2006

Senator Clinton Calls for New American Consensus to Meet Foreign Policy Challenges

* October 31, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations

* September 29, 2006

Senator Clinton Announces Congress Set to Approve Initiative to Help Service Members Returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and their Families

* September 26, 2006

Clinton Again Calls for Change of Course in Iraq

* September 25, 2006

Senator Clinton, Former Top Military Leaders Highlight Need for Change of Course in Iraq at DPC Oversight Hearing

* September 25, 2006

Senator Clinton on Press Reports surrounding the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) Report on Global Trends of Terrorism and Iraq

* September 21, 2006

Senators Call for GAO Investigation into Charges Administration Used Unqualified Political Cronies to Staff Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq

* September 4, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton in Support of the Letter to President Bush on Iraq by Democratic Senate and House Leaders

* August 3, 2006

Senator Clinton Presses Secretary Rumsfeld on Bush Administration Policy on Iraq

* August 3, 2006

Senator Clinton Highlights Secretary Rumsfeld's Pattern of Painting Rosy Picture of Iraq

* August 2, 2006

Senator Clinton Calls on Defense Secretary Rumsfeld to Appear Before the Senate Armed Services Committee

* August 2, 2006

Senator Clinton Presses Deputy Defense Secretary on Rumsfeld Forgoing Public Appearance Before the Senate Armed Services Committee

* August 2, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on Secretary Rumsfeld’s Decision to Reverse Course and Appear at Tomorrow’s Open Armed Services Committee Hearing

* July 31, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on the Letter to President Bush on Iraq by Democratic Senate and House Leaders

* July 25, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraqi Prime Minister’s Comments on Hezbollah

* June 21, 2006

Remarks of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Senate Floor on Iraq

* June 15, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on the 2006 Emergency Supplemental for the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Hurricane Relief

* June 15, 2006

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Help Service Members Returning From Iraq and Afghanistan and their Families

* November 29, 2005

Letter to Constituents on Iraq Policy

* November 15, 2005

Statement of Senator Clinton on the Iraq Amendments

* October 5, 2005

Senators Reid, Clinton & Others Press President Bush On Iraq Policy

* August 3, 2005

Senator Clinton Joins Other Women Senators in Urging President to Continue to Express US Support for Iraqi Women’s Rights

* January 28, 2005

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Iraqi Elections

* August 30, 2004

Senator Clinton and Colleagues Call Upon Secretary of Defense to Investigate Iraq Security Contract

* May 3, 2004

Statement of Senators Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Escape of Thomas Hamill From Captivity in Iraq

* February 13, 2004

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Address the Deteriorating Condition of Iraq’s Women

* January 9, 2004

Senators Clinton and Reed Ask President Bush for Details on US Plan for Iraqi Hajj

* November 27, 2003

Senators Reed and Clinton Celebrate Thanksgiving With US Troops Stationed at Two Bases Inside Afghanistan; Headed to Iraq

* November 25, 2003

Senator Clinton Visits Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Pakistan

* October 17, 2003

Senator Clinton Votes for Iraq Appropriation In Support of U.S. Troops

* October 16, 2003

Clinton Demands Accountability in Iraq Spending

* October 3, 2003

Clinton-Backed Amendment on Iraq Contracting Passes Senate

* September 22, 2003

Senator Clinton Joins With Members of New York Board of Rabbis and the Jewish Educators Network to Send Torahs to Troops in Iraq

* April 10, 2003

Bipartisan Bill Requires Public Explanations For Closed Bidding On Iraqi Reconstruction

* April 3, 2003

Amendment Introduced by Senators Clinton, Collins & Wyden Calls For Explanations on Awarding of Iraqi Reconstruction Contracts

* March 24, 2003

Statements of Senator Clinton on Iraq and the Wartime Supplemental

* February 4, 2003

Levin, Clinton Urge Bush to Propose U.N. Resolution Authorizing U-2 Flights in Iraq


* October 10, 2002

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq


LINKS FOR ALL ENTRIES, HERE: http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq /

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[Drachasor]

90. You understand that our two lists aren't comparable, right? I only listed Bills he had passed

You listed every little thing she did, include statement releases and the like (not that those aren't something, but a introduced and passed bill is far more significant).

[rodeodance]

95. well, you need to make your list longer. I knew what i was sending you.

[Drachasor]

105. Yes, you sent me a list that requires you do no work or understand anything

Can you name 5 bills Hillary has sponsored or introduced into the senate that have passed? Do you know any off-hand?

[JoFerret]

102. Certainly not held any hearings on Afghanistan

That was his direct responsibility. Did not do it. Too busy preening for prince president prophet

[Drachasor]

104. That's Kerry's job (who has held hearings). Look it up.

[JoFerret]

115. Obama boils babies

look it up

[elixir]

88. That's a great answer. They do nothing. I'm sorry, that won't wash.

[Drachasor]

91. If you want to ignore the facts, that's fine. But many senators have come out and said this.

If you like ignoring how the senate and the world works, then go ahead. Obviously I can't stop you.

[burythehatchet]

5. I decided instead to listen to fingernails on a chalkboard. It's more soothing

[rodeodance]

10. Thank you for your concern. Anything of substance you would like to add??

[rodeodance]

6. k

[Armstead]

8. Thanks Hillary for continuing to poison the well.

Why the hell don't you just sell your OWN candidacy and why you believe you are "ready on day one" without continuing your effort to make Obama unelectable?

You are a self-centered opportunist. You do not care what happens to the Democratic Party if you lose the nomination.

[rodeodance]

9. BO has "poisoned" his own well. All by himself.

[RiverStone]

27. Guess that's why he got an additional 14 delegates over the weekend...

Some poison eh?

In the end rodeodance, what ever negative stuff you toss at Obama won't mean squat if the people continue to chose him - which I think they will.

And BTW, I find Barack supporters who pitch shit at Hillary all the time equally unproductive.

[rodeodance]

36. The primary race continues. Stay tuned and don't count your chickies yet.

[Nedsdag]

62. So "your girl" will come in and steal this nomination?

I guess you know something we don't know.

[rodeodance]

96. Your dis respectful comments show how FOOLISH you are.

So "your girl" will come in and steal this nomination?

I guess you know something we don't know.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

25. You nailed it. Hillary couldn't care less about what's good for the party. . .

It's all about HER and always will be. Get used to it.

[rodeodance]

38. "You nailed it. BO couldn't care less about what's good for the party"-- its all about HIM.

[Eric Condon]

69. Good comeback.

"Maybe YOU'RE in the ceiling." - Andy Bernard

[rodeodance]

70. Thank you for your concern

[Forkboy]

100. Thank you for your lack of it.

[rodeodance]

113. You are welcome

[Megahurtz]

79. And THAT'S what I cannot stand her for.

[elixir]

89. How is she making him unelectable? By pointing out where she has excelled and he hasn't?

What do you think happens in a campaign, they eat finger sandwiches and drink tea??!!! Wake up, IT'S A CAMPAIGN. And people try to take out their opponent by showing their weaknesses hence this thread.

[zulchzulu]

13. Alcoholic promises to never crash the car ever again....ever...

That's what Hillary Clinton's words sound like to me regarding the Iraq War.

She drove her car into the ditch after being drunk with playing the Fear Card and sucking up to Bush. She also has made it clear that attacking Iran would be OK too.

Her speech was nothing but a bog of blarney.

[rodeodance]

16. You look foolish with subject lines lines like that.

Alcoholic promises to never crash the car ever again....ever... Updated at 10:21 PM

That's what Hillary Clinton's words sound like to me regarding the Iraq War.

She drove her car into the ditch after being drunk with playing the Fear Card and sucking up to Bush. She also has made it clear that attacking Iran would be OK too.

Her speech was nothing but a bog of blarney.

[KoKo]

14. Thanks for posting the links...I heard the speech shown on CNN this AM and it was Impressive..

I really liked that she promised to end "outsourcing to Military Contractors" and no more "No-Bid Contracts.

[rodeodance]

17. Good, CNN carried it --yes, I have read she will end those NO-Bid contracts.

[ericgtr]

15. Obama plans to bring them home within one year

When, exactly, does Hillary plan to do this? Talk about not having a plan, what a load of shit.

[bigtree]

18. a plan

3/17/2008

Hillary Clinton: Ready to End the War in Iraq

Today, in a major speech ahead of the five year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton outlined new proposals that build on her three-part plan to end the war responsibly. Five years after the start of the war, we have come to a crossroads. The war has sapped our military and economic strength, damaged U.S. national security, taken the lives of almost 4,000 brave young men and women in uniform, and placed a lasting toll on the tens of thousands of wounded, many with invisible injuries like Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The George W. Bush-John McCain strategy is to continue this failed policy. We need to end this war and bring our troops home. We need to press the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own country. We need to rebuild our alliances and enlist the international community in securing stability in Iraq and the region. To learn more about Hillary Clinton’s record on ending the war in Iraq, click here.

We need a Commander-in-Chief who is both committed to ending this war and who has the strength, experience, and leadership to do it the right way. Hillary Clinton is that candidate. As President, she will:

I. Start Bringing Our Troops Home

* Bring Our Troops Home. As President, one of Hillary's first official actions will be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She will direct them to draw up a clear, comprehensive plan for withdrawal that starts removing our troops within 60 days. The plan for withdrawal will incorporate the most effective on-the-ground strategies and tactics to move personnel and equipment efficiently out of combat zones and then out of the country, and will focus on protecting our troops and reducing the risk of attacks as they come home


* Hillary knows that as we bring our troops and contractors home, we cannot lose sight of our very real strategic interests in this region. Al Qaeda terrorist cells continue to operate in Iraq, cells that did not exist before President Bush’s failed policy. Under Hillary’s plan the United States will retain counterterrorism forces in Iraq and the region to fight al Qaeda and will not permit terrorists to have a safe haven in Iraq from which to attack the United States or its allies.


* Protecting Those Who Protect Us. As President, Hillary will ensure that our troops receive sufficient time at home between deployments to rest, reconnect with their families, and receive appropriate training for their next mission.


* Reduce Strains on Our Troops. The war is placing tremendous strain on our armed forces, courting strategic risks posed by a force that is stretched to the breaking point. As President, Hillary will adopt the recommendations of Rep. John Murtha to ensure that our Army troops have as much time at home as they have spent deployed. So for every month they spend in the field, they will be guaranteed one month here at home. Our Marines will have a similar standard appropriate for their service in the Corps. As President, Hillary will also require that the Secretary of Defense certify to the Congress full combat-brigade readiness before they are deployed.


* Assess Impact of Iraq Deployments on Readiness. In the Senate, Hillary won approval of measures to provide greater transparency about the strains on our armed forces, particularly in light of deployments in Iraq. Her amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act requires the Government Accountability Office to assess the ability of ground forces to meet the requirements of increased force levels in Iraq and Afghanistan and to identify and evaluate strategic and operational risks. As President, she will direct the Secretary of Defense to develop a readiness strategy that responds to the findings of these assessments.


* Remove Armed Private Military Contractors in Iraq. As U.S. troops begin to withdraw, we should not be leaving unaccountable, often irresponsible private military contractors to carry arms and engage in combat-oriented missions and security functions. Hillary has co-sponsored the Stop Security Outsourcing Act, which seeks to end this practice. As President, Hillary will work toward a ban on armed private military contractors providing security for diplomatic personnel and performing mission-critical functions.


* Stop Wasting Money on No-Bid Contracts. Spending on federal contracts has been the fasting-growing part of the discretionary budget over the past six years, yet has received little attention. Under this Administration, the number of no-bid contracts has more than doubled, and between 2000 and 2006, spending on these contracts has increased 121 percent to $103 billion, representing more than half of federal procurement spending. During this time, companies like Halliburton have enjoyed record profits, thanks to a 700 percent increase in taxpayer funds awarded to them. A recent Congressional report identified a wide range of contracts, running into the hundreds of billions of dollars, where federal auditors found massive overcharges, wasteful spending, and poor oversight. Hillary has proposed a measure that would create a new “point of order” against any spending bill in Fiscal 2009 that does not explicitly require a federal agency’s compliance with competitive contracting rules. As President, Hillary will work to ensure that this becomes law and that we stop wasting money on no-bid contracts.


II. Secure stability in Iraq as we Bring our Troops Home.

Greater political and economic stability means safer conditions for our departing troops and a smoother disengagement from our military’s missions across Iraq. In order to foster stability as U.S. troops begin to redeploy, Hillary will focus on political reconciliation inside Iraq and holding the Iraqi government accountable for political and economic progress. She will:

* Call Upon the United Nations to Play a Greater Role in Addressing Domestic Strife in Iraq. As President, Hillary will press the United Nations to play a central role in bringing about national accommodation in Iraq, as it did with positive results in Bosnia, East Timor, and elsewhere. Not having been a party to the mistakes of the past five years, the UN, which has already provided valuable technical assistance to Iraq, is far more likely to be viewed as a neutral, honest broker than the United States – especially when it acts on behalf of a broad coalition of concerned states and the international community. The new UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, has indicated he is willing to play a key role in assisting the Iraqis, and Hillary will ensure that the UN envoy in Iraq has the necessary authority by obtaining the Security Council’s explicit endorsement of a strengthened UN mandate to promote reconciliation.


* Pursue an Integrated Strategy to Bring Stability to Iraq. The surge has emphasized a bottom-up strategy that has reduced violence in the short term but, in the absence of an effective national strategy, risks deepening sectarian divisions within Iraq in the long run. For example, the United States has established and armed local security elements – the Awakening in Anbar, for example, and other “Concerned Local Citizens” elsewhere – without getting the Iraqi government to live up to its agreement to integrate significant numbers of these local militias and “volunteers” into provincial police forces or the national Army. As President, Hillary will pursue a strategy that seeks to empower local leaders, but she will prioritize national accommodation, which is essential to stability. She will do this by using U.S. and international influence and assistance as leverage to press the Iraqis to reach agreement on key issues, including provincial elections, the hydrocarbon law, and on the overall nature of federalism. Hillary will press the United Nations into a central role in this effort.


* Appoint a Special Counsel to Make Reconstruction Funds Accountable. As Iraq’s oil production increases, the potential revenue accumulated from oil production should increasingly fund Iraq’s reconstruction, instead of U.S. taxpayer money. Since 2006, Iraq has earned more than $80 billion from oil, and that figure is growing rapidly. Nevertheless, since the beginning of the war, the U.S. has provided roughly the same amount of money as the Iraqi government to rebuild the country (the United States has appropriated roughly $47 billion; the government of Iraq $50 billion). Even as we send billions to Iraq while they earn billions in oil revenues, there are increasing reports that the Iraqi government is not spending its budget allocated for reconstruction. The Comptroller General of the U.S. testified that the capital expenditure rate for the central ministries in Iraq was only 7% as of November 2007. Hillary is committed to ensuring that Iraqi oil revenue is dedicated to reconstruction funding – and that the money is actually spent, so that Iraqi citizens receive basic services, such as electricity and clean drinking water, which are currently lacking for so many. As President, Hillary will appoint a special counsel to investigate where Iraq’s oil profits are going and how reconstruction funds are being spent – or not spent. She will ensure that reconstruction funds are spent wisely before providing the Iraqi government with more.


* Combat the Black Market in Oil to Dry Up Funds for the Insurgency. Corruption and stolen oil sold on the black market constitute a critical funding source for the insurgency. As President, Hillary will boost joint U.S.-Iraqi efforts to combat corruption and protect the oil supply. She will direct her Secretary of Defense to plan a nationwide U.S.-Iraqi crackdown on oil black marketers, ensuring that U.S. and Iraqi personnel have the resources and manpower necessary. This effort will be designed to disrupt lines of funding for the insurgency, to increase stability, and to reduce attacks on our troops during the withdrawal. Hillary will direct the U.S. Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction to conduct regular reports on corruption in the oil industry. She will be prepared to withhold portions of aid if the Iraqi government does not show meaningful results in its anti-corruption efforts. Finally, Hillary will double the funding for oil pipeline exclusion zones, which prevent illegal tapping and attacks on pipelines; and she will also provide resources to stop cross-border smuggling of black market oil.


III. A New Regional Diplomatic Initiative

* Enlist the International Community to Stabilize the Region. Our allies and friends in the region all have a stake in a stable Iraq. Until now, in part because of the way the Bush Administration has behaved, they have gotten a free pass. No longer. As President, Hillary will have a unique opportunity to reach out to our allies and partners in the region and press them to take greater responsibility for what happens in Iraq. She will hold a major regional stabilization meeting early on in her Presidency. This group will be composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The mission of this group will be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq. In advance of that meeting, Hillary will confer with our treaty allies as well as our friends in the region to coordinate policy before gathering with the larger group of nations. One of her first international meetings as President will be with these leaders, including Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Jordan, and Egypt, as well as our European allies in order to push for greater responsible action towards Iraq, including more assistance. This will send a strong signal of our country’s determination – as we draw down our forces – to ensure that the rest of the world plays its part in stabilizing Iraq. Hillary will then convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The mission of this group will be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq.


* Provide for Refugees. As our forces redeploy out of Iraq, Hillary will also organize a multi-billion dollar international effort under the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to address the needs of Iraqi refugees. The UN will also play a role, helping to deal with the resettlement of refugees and others displaced from their homes, a number which now exceeds four million. With the price of oil at record levels, the government of Iraq now has considerable financial resources available. As President, Hillary will also press the UN to establish a mechanism by which some of those Iraqi funds could be used to feed, clothe, shelter, and otherwise provide for these millions of refugees. Addressing the upheaval caused by this displacement will facilitate a smoother exit and a less risky end to the war.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6552

[psychopomp]

58. "Iraq War" and "responsibility" are not two ideas that Sen. Clinton

wants associated in the public consciousness.

[bigtree]

94. cute, but you act as if the 10 million plus folks who've already voted for her don't know her

. . . and her record.

[rodeodance]

20. HRC: comprehensive plan for withdrawal that starts removing our troops within 60 days."

[rodeodance]

21. "Talk about not having a plan, what a load of shit."--You look foolish saying that now.

Obama plans to bring them home within one year

When, exactly, does Hillary plan to do this? Talk about not having a plan, what a load of shit.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

74. Obama is the only one with a plan that makes rational sense. Obama IS ready to lead on day one!

[rodeodance]

84. We have presented a plan here. All you have done is make a self-inspired claim.

[krkaufman]

119. Actually, 16 months. But still it's his plan to have 'em out within 16 months n/t

[rodeodance]

19. "Bush-McCain Iraq policy – don’t learn from your mistakes, repeat them.”

She has a great slogan to use going into the GE.




“Sen. McCain would gladly accept the torch and stay the course, keeping troops in Iraq for up to 100 years if necessary,” she said. “That in a nutshell is the Bush-McCain Iraq policy – don’t learn from your mistakes, repeat them.”

[krkaufman]

120. Well, what exactly were Bush and McCain's mistakes? n/t

[madfloridian]

22. Yep, that is her new attack. Forget the hell about invading Iraq

Here is more from TPM

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/hillary_to_speak_on_iraq_polic.php

Bill Nelson said he defended Bush against the left on Iraq.

She never said a word as the bombing commenced.

I can no longer watch her on TV.

[rodeodance]

24. Lots of people watching the tube today knows she has a Safe plan to get the troops out of Iraq.

[madfloridian]

31. And that Obama only has words....I can no longer watch her.

She and Bill played the race card against a dignified intelligent man. They have allowed their surrogates to continue ugly attacks.

I can no longer watch her.

She even implied he might be muslim. Unbelieveable.

[rodeodance]

34. lots of lies in you post. --you got duped.

And that Obama only has words....I can no longer watch her.
Posted by madfloridian


She and Bill played the race card against a dignified intelligent man. They have allowed their surrogates to continue ugly attacks.

I can no longer watch her.

She even implied he might be muslim. Unbelieveable.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. I have to turn the tube off or change channels every time I see her face or hear that voice. . .

Only had to do that with Rethugs, that's how much Hillary grates on my nerves.

[rodeodance]

39. so sad. this is all about your nerves. tsk tsk

I have to turn the tube off or change channels every time I see her face or hear that voice. . .
Posted by InAbLuEsTaTe


Only had to do that with Rethugs, that's how much Hillary grates on my nerves.

[cali]

23. Shocker: Hilly lies again.

She mischaracterizes what Power said completely and she lies about how she's acted on her words. She's a serial liar- just like bill.

[rodeodance]

40. Please tell us how "She mischaracterizes what Power said completely"

[rodeodance]

29. "Sen. Obama co-sponsors Hillary's legislation in January 2008."

Sen. Obama co-sponsors Hillary's legislation in January 2008.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6548

[thevoiceofreason]

30. I listened to a lot of this on CNN as I drove in the morning

I thought her initial points were very good.

I thought she made a tactical error when she brought up Obama. The way she delivered the initial round (criticizing Bush and McCain) was powerful -- it implicated Obama in the fact that she left him out. When she brought him in to the discussion however, she weakened her position because it was not so much a compare and contrast as it was a criticism.

Like many things with Hillary, she has a good message but her delivery is lacking.

[bigtree]

41. I really have to agree with you on their plans forward

Even though Sen. Clinton is highlighting a comment by an Obama aide which indicated that he might change the plan he's presenting, I can see her own plan, potentially falling victim to the realities of logistics and events if she manages to advance to the office.

As for focusing on Obama, the back and forth began some time ago and this is the latest extension of the 'judgment' vs. 'experience' argument . . . Clinton down a couple of breaks serving for the game.

[thevoiceofreason]

45. Probably just a style thing with me

I think the strongest arguments are made by not speaking them -- but rather letting them habg out there.

If her point is to portray herself as a ready leader, then do so. A leader (in my book) does not criticize one who is lesser -- that is doen by implication. Oh well, guess that's why I don't run political campiagns or write the speeches.

[bigtree]

48. I work with the positive statements better than I do with the attacks.

I think folks are more receptive to the positive statements, as well. But, I really don't think either camp feels secure enough to stop responding to the criticisms from the other side with their own broadside.

[npincus]

32. She VOTED for the damned war...'NUFF SAID.

[GarbagemanLB]

35. All that experience sure paid off with her foresight.

[rodeodance]

37. silly she did not vote to start the war. This is Bush's war. Enough said.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. Hillary doesn't even have the decency to apologize for that horrendous vote, which makes even worse.

[rodeodance]

56. Why should she--as she did not vote to go to war and you know it.

[Eric Condon]

78. Oh yeah, that's right.

She just voted to give the president (aka a warmongering wacko who everyone with half a brain knew was going to invade Iraq as soon as possible) the "authority" (which EVERYONE knew he was going to use) to go to war.

She can talk all she wants about "regretting" the vote, but it won't make up for months of her dancing around the issue and refusing to apologize. She should be on her knees BEGGING the American people (ESPECIALLY the Democratic Party) to forgive her.

I don't buy for a second the argument that "she was duped just like everyone else." She knew. She just didn't care, because she knew it would make her look "tough on defense" and that would play to the sheeple in the 2008 election.

Her trying to run on having been a leader on this issue is laughable at best, insulting at worst.

[psychopomp]

42. We have had five years of bloodshed

Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives have been ended with bombs, bullets and beheadings. I would take five years of good speeches over that, any day.

Less seriously, I had to laugh at the opening line of the Clinton message, it reads like a parody of itself:

"Over the last few weeks, the question of who is most ready to be Commander-in-Chief has rightfully dominated the presidential campaign. Who is ready to take the 3 a.m. call? Who has a record of action on national security issues? Who is ready to be president on day one?"
:rofl:

[rodeodance]

44. Here is long list for you and others: -Substance-- Do you have a list for BO?

Thanks to Bigtree
What did Hillary Clinton do about Iraq after Bush invaded?
Posted by bigtree

Timeline of activity on Iraq . . .

LINKS FOR ALL ENTRIES, HERE: http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq /


* January 28, 2008

Senator Clinton Welcomes Additional Support for Legislation Requiring Congressional Approval for Security Agreements with Iraq

* December 19, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Senate Iraq Funding Votes

* December 12, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls for Investigation of Reported Rape and Detention of American Contractor in Iraq

* December 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Require Congressional Approval for Security Agreements with Iraq

* November 27, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Renounce Permanent Bases in Iraq

* October 23, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Bush Administration's Request for Additional Iraq War Funding

* October 4, 2007

Bipartisan Group of Senators Introduce Bill to Require Report on Iraq Redeployment Planning from Administration

* September 28, 2007

Congress Passes Dodd-Clinton Amendment to Expand Family and Medical Leave Benefits to Wounded Soldiers and Their Families

* September 26, 2007

Senate Unanimously Approves Clinton Amendment to Increase Temporary Lodging Expenses for Servicemembers

* September 26, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment

* September 20, 2007

Letter to Constituents from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Policy

* September 13, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Response to the President's Address to the Nation


HIGHLIGHTS

* Senator Clinton Calls for Redeployment Planning

* Letter to Constituents from Senator Clinton on Iraq Policy

* Statement of Senator Clinton on the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* Senator Clinton Announces Legislation to End Authority for Iraq War

* Senator Clinton's Plan to End the War

* Senator Clinton's 2007 Trip to Iraq and Afghanistan

* Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President's Speech on Iraq

* Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Study Group Report

* Statement of Senator Clinton on the Resignation of Secretary Rumsfeld

* September 12, 2007

Letter from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to President Bush in Advance of His Speech to the Nation on Iraq

* September 12, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq at a Faster Pace

* September 11, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker on Iraq at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* September 7, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq

* September 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Answer Key Questions on Iraq Policy

* September 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General James Jones (Ret.) on the Findings of the Iraqi Security Forces Independent Assessment Commission

* September 5, 2007

Letter from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to President Bush

* August 23, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Key Judgments of the Iraq National Intelligence Estimate

* August 22, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Calling for Political Change in Iraq

* August 22, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Response to President Bush's Remarks at the Convention of Veterans of Foreign Wars

* August 13, 2007

Clinton Calls on President Bush to Clarify Administration Policy on Resuming the Military Draft; Affirm His Commitment to the All-Volunteer Force

* August 11, 2007

Clinton Calls on President Bush & Defense Secretary Gates to Clarify Administration Policy on Resuming the Military Draft, and Affirm Their Commitment to an All-volunteer Force

* August 2, 2007

Clinton, Kerry & Boxer Introduce Legislation Requiring Pentagon to Prepare for Iraq Redeployment

* August 1, 2007

Senator Clinton Responds to Vice President Cheney

* July 31, 2007

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Questions Admiral Michael Mullen and General James Cartwright at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* July 31, 2007

Nominee for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Commits to Senator Clinton to Brief Congress on Redeployment Planning

* July 25, 2007

Senator Clinton Applauds Unanimous Senate Approval of Bill to Help Wounded Servicemembers

* July 23, 2007

Senators Clinton, Webb, Byrd & Bayh Call for Armed Services Hearing to Focus on Redeployment of U.S. Forces from Iraq

* July 20, 2007

Clinton Calls on Gates to Explain Pentagon's Position on Planning for the Redeployment of U.S. Forces from Iraq; Renews Call on the Bush Administration to Immediately Provide a Redeployment Strategy

* July 20, 2007

Clinton, Kerry Legislation Requires Pentagon to Prepare for Iraq Redeployment

* July 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Speaks on the Senate Floor on Iraq

* July 12, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Initial Benchmark Assessment Report

* July 12, 2007

Byrd, Clinton Press for End to Iraq War Resolution

* July 10, 2007

Op-ed: This is Not Our Fight

* June 27, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls for New Foreign Policy to Meet Challenges Around the World

* June 27, 2007

Keynote Address of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Center for a New American Security

* June 21, 2007

Letter to Constituents from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Policy

* June 14, 2007

Senate Armed Services Committee Approves Clinton Measures to Help Wounded Servicemembers

* June 7, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Lieutenant General Douglas Lute at Senate Armed Services Committee Confirmation Hearing

* May 24, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* May 23, 2007

Clinton Calls on Pentagon to Plan for Withdrawal from Iraq

* May 22, 2007

Senator Clinton Sponsors Bill to Provide Free Postage for Military Families

* May 22, 2007

Kerry, Clinton, Emanuel, Murphy and Walz Fight for Full Troop Pay Increase

* May 18, 2007

Senators Clinton & Webb Call for Investigation into the Effectiveness of Body Armor Issued to Our Troops

* May 17, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Internet Video of Apparent Honor Killing

* May 15, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Feingold-Reid and Levin-Reid Amendments

* May 15, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Recent Attack on 10th Mountain Division Soldiers in Iraq

* May 9, 2007

Defense Secretary Unclear if War Authorization Still Applies

* May 3, 2007

Senator Clinton Announces Legislation to End Authority for Iraq War

* May 3, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Floor Statement of Senator Byrd

* May 3, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions U.S. Central Commander Admiral William Fallon at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* May 3, 2007

Byrd, Clinton Call for End of 2002 Use of Force Resolution

* May 1, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President's Veto of the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* April 26, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Passage of Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* April 19, 2007

Clinton Presses Bush Pentagon on Contracting Abuses in Iraq

* April 12, 2007

Clinton Continues to Fight for Our Troops & Veterans;

Questions Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Officials About Treatment of Servicemembers and Veterans at Joint Armed Services-Veteran Affairs Committee Hearing

* April 11, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton Introduce Legislation to Provide Better Care for Soldiers with Traumatic Brain Injury

* April 10, 2007

Senator Clinton Continues Fight for Our Troops & Veterans

* March 29, 2007

Clinton Announces Initiative to Improve Detection and Treatment of Traumatic Brain Injury

* February 17, 2007

Clinton Plan to End War:

Reject the President's Escalation; Protect U.S. Troops in Iraq; Begin Redeploying Our Troops; Enables President to End War Before Leaving Office

* February 14, 2007

Clinton: No Military Action on Iran Without Congressional Authority

* February 13, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on General Schoomaker to Provide Truthful Assessment of Conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan

* February 8, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Vote on Confirmation of General George W. Casey to be Army Chief of Staff

* February 7, 2007

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Speaks on Iraq on the Senate Floor

* February 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Raises Iraq and Darfur with Defense Secretary Gates and General Pace, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on the Administration's FY 08 Department of Defense Budget Request

* February 1, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General George Casey Jr. on His Nomination to be United States Army Chief of Staff

* January 30, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Admiral William J. Fallon, Nominee for Commander, United States Central Command

* January 25, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Regarding the Pentagon Decision to Extend the Combat Tour of Soldiers from 10th Mountain Division Brigade in Afghanistan

* January 25, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Defense Secretary William Perry, Ambassador Dennis Ross, and General Jack Keane on Iraq Strategy

* January 23, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General David Petraeus at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* January 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Discusses Iraq on PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer

* January 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Discusses Iraq on Fox News

* January 17, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Resolution on Iraq Introduced by Senators Biden, Hagel, Levin and Snowe

* January 17, 2007

Bayh, Clinton Call for More Troops in Afghanistan

* January 17, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Discuss Their Visit with US Troops in Iraq & Afghanistan

* January 13, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Complete Iraq Visit, Leave for Afghanistan

* January 12, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Visit US Troops in Iraq & Afghanistan

* January 10, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President’s Speech on Iraq

* December 7, 2006

Senator Clinton Questions the Co-Chairs of the Iraq Study Group, James Baker and Lee Hamilton, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* December 6, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Study Group Report

* December 5, 2006

Senator Clinton Questions Defense Secretary Nominee Robert Gates at the Senate Armed Services Committee Confirmation Hearing

* November 15, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Questions General John Abizaid, Commander, U.S. Central Command, and Ambassador David Satterfield, the State Department’s Coordinator for Iraq, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on the Current Situation and U.S. Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan

* November 8, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Resignation of Secretary Rumsfeld

* October 31, 2006

Senator Clinton Calls for New American Consensus to Meet Foreign Policy Challenges

* October 31, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations

* September 29, 2006

Senator Clinton Announces Congress Set to Approve Initiative to Help Service Members Returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and their Families

* September 26, 2006

Clinton Again Calls for Change of Course in Iraq

* September 25, 2006

Senator Clinton, Former Top Military Leaders Highlight Need for Change of Course in Iraq at DPC Oversight Hearing

* September 25, 2006

Senator Clinton on Press Reports surrounding the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) Report on Global Trends of Terrorism and Iraq

* September 21, 2006

Senators Call for GAO Investigation into Charges Administration Used Unqualified Political Cronies to Staff Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq

* September 4, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton in Support of the Letter to President Bush on Iraq by Democratic Senate and House Leaders

* August 3, 2006

Senator Clinton Presses Secretary Rumsfeld on Bush Administration Policy on Iraq

* August 3, 2006

Senator Clinton Highlights Secretary Rumsfeld's Pattern of Painting Rosy Picture of Iraq

* August 2, 2006

Senator Clinton Calls on Defense Secretary Rumsfeld to Appear Before the Senate Armed Services Committee

* August 2, 2006

Senator Clinton Presses Deputy Defense Secretary on Rumsfeld Forgoing Public Appearance Before the Senate Armed Services Committee

* August 2, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on Secretary Rumsfeld’s Decision to Reverse Course and Appear at Tomorrow’s Open Armed Services Committee Hearing

* July 31, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on the Letter to President Bush on Iraq by Democratic Senate and House Leaders

* July 25, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraqi Prime Minister’s Comments on Hezbollah

* June 21, 2006

Remarks of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Senate Floor on Iraq

* June 15, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on the 2006 Emergency Supplemental for the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Hurricane Relief

* June 15, 2006

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Help Service Members Returning From Iraq and Afghanistan and their Families

* November 29, 2005

Letter to Constituents on Iraq Policy

* November 15, 2005

Statement of Senator Clinton on the Iraq Amendments

* October 5, 2005

Senators Reid, Clinton & Others Press President Bush On Iraq Policy

* August 3, 2005

Senator Clinton Joins Other Women Senators in Urging President to Continue to Express US Support for Iraqi Women’s Rights

* January 28, 2005

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Iraqi Elections

* August 30, 2004

Senator Clinton and Colleagues Call Upon Secretary of Defense to Investigate Iraq Security Contract

* May 3, 2004

Statement of Senators Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Escape of Thomas Hamill From Captivity in Iraq

* February 13, 2004

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Address the Deteriorating Condition of Iraq’s Women

* January 9, 2004

Senators Clinton and Reed Ask President Bush for Details on US Plan for Iraqi Hajj

* November 27, 2003

Senators Reed and Clinton Celebrate Thanksgiving With US Troops Stationed at Two Bases Inside Afghanistan; Headed to Iraq

* November 25, 2003

Senator Clinton Visits Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Pakistan

* October 17, 2003

Senator Clinton Votes for Iraq Appropriation In Support of U.S. Troops

* October 16, 2003

Clinton Demands Accountability in Iraq Spending

* October 3, 2003

Clinton-Backed Amendment on Iraq Contracting Passes Senate

* September 22, 2003

Senator Clinton Joins With Members of New York Board of Rabbis and the Jewish Educators Network to Send Torahs to Troops in Iraq

* April 10, 2003

Bipartisan Bill Requires Public Explanations For Closed Bidding On Iraqi Reconstruction

* April 3, 2003

Amendment Introduced by Senators Clinton, Collins & Wyden Calls For Explanations on Awarding of Iraqi Reconstruction Contracts

* March 24, 2003

Statements of Senator Clinton on Iraq and the Wartime Supplemental

* February 4, 2003

Levin, Clinton Urge Bush to Propose U.N. Resolution Authorizing U-2 Flights in Iraq


* October 10, 2002

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq


LINKS FOR ALL ENTRIES, HERE: http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq /

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We have had five years of bloodshed
Posted by psychopomp


Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives have been ended with bombs, bullets and beheadings. I would take five years of good speeches over that, any day.

Less seriously, I had to laugh at the opening line of the Clinton message, it reads like a parody of itself:

"Over the last few weeks, the question of who is most ready to be Commander-in-Chief has rightfully dominated the presidential campaign. Who is ready to take the 3 a.m. call? Who has a record of action on national security issues? Who is ready to be president on day one?"
:rofl:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

47. you know they don't

[rodeodance]

54. I keep waiting for some substance in these posts from Obama folk! silly me!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. Five years of bloodshed on Hillary's hands! When is she going to take responsibility? Some leader.

[rodeodance]

97. YEAH---some leader ~ obama voting for FUNDING--he has BLOOD ON HIS HANDS

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. Good on Hillary!

[rodeodance]

59. Bigtree has posted a transcript of hillary's speech today--see upstream

[ElsewheresDaughter]

64. great....thanks!

[rodeodance]

65. you bet

[IndianaGreen]

50. Hillary won't end the war, and she will nuke Iraq

The green won't hide the fact that Hillary is another brand of warmongering neocon.

[bigtree]

52. first of all, it's an occupation

and any old jackass could turn the lights off on that operation, and this one we've got in office would if his hand wasn't stuck in the cookie jar.

Second, neither candidate is going to attack Iran.

Here's your man Barack, flexing his muscles in the Senate on Iraq:


In September 2004, Obama says he ' would be willing to send more soldiers to Iraq.' AP, 9/19/04
Obama on Iraq: U.S. Senate Record

11 months after joining Senate, Sen. Obama delivers first speech devoted to Iraq, says 'US forces are sill part of the solution.' "he level of his criticism lowered when he arrived in Washington. In his first year in the Senate, he delivered one speech on Iraq, calling for a phased withdrawal by the end of 2006. But last November, Mr. Obama revised that time frame, saying the drawdown should begin in four to six months." Obama's Senate web site lists his address to the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations on November 22, 2005, 11 months after entering the U.S. Senate. Obama said, "I believe that U.S. forces are still a part of the solution in Iraq." New York Times, 2/12/07; obama.senate.gov

18 months after joining Senate, Sen. Obama gives first floor statement devoted to Iraq, opposes timeline for withdrawal. "…But having visited Iraq, I am also acutely aware that a precipitous withdrawal of our troops, driven by congressional edict rather than the realities on the ground, will not undo the mistakes made by this administration. It could compound them." obama.senate.gov

Upon arriving in the Senate, Sen. Obama supported every funding bill for Iraq, some $300 billion….until he started running for President. 2005 Vote # 117, HR1268, 5/10/05; 2005 Vote # 326, S1042, 11/15/05; 2006 Vote # 112, HR4939, 5/4/06; 2006 Vote # 239; 2006 Vote # 186, S2766, 6/22/06; HR5631, 9/7/06

As a Senate candidate in November 2003, Sen. Obama said he would have 'unequivocally' voted against war funding because it was the only way to oppose Bush on Iraq. "Just this week, when I was asked, would I have voted for the $87 billion dollars, I said 'no.' I said no unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we are not going to stand a chance." Obama remarks, New Trier Democratic Organization forum, 11/16/03; Video

Since Obama entered the U.S. Senate, his record on Iraq is identical to Hillary's, with one exception. ABC News reported that, "In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against." ABC, 5/17/07; senate.gov; see chart

Top Obama advisor says, as president, Sen. Obama will 'not rely upon some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or as a US senator.' Samantha Powers, who has subsequently resigned her position, also described Sen. Obama's Iraq plan as a "best case scenario." BBC, 3/6/07


http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6551

[rodeodance]

66. do you

know where this idea came from that--hillary will 'nuke iran??--i have seen it posted many times. just a claim from them--with nothing to support it.

[KoKo]

67. You don't think Obama could be talked into it to "show strength" as a new President?

The NeoCons never give up. How can you be sure that Obama won't do what every new President..Repug or Dem does and Bomb somewhere? Iran being the next on the Neo-Con's dartboard. That's if BushCo. doesn't do it sooner. :shrug:

[KoKo]

51. Kick....so few even try to post "Policy" of the Candidates on DU these days

this one deserves a big :kick:

[rodeodance]

55. you are right.

[KoKo]

103. Kick....Hillary does have an "understandable Policy Position" it's detailed..

:shrug:

[goletian]

57. awesome scarf thingie, hillary! - nt

[rodeodance]

60. She does look good in green.

[BenDavid]

63. Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2003?

Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2004, at Kerry's convention? Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2005? Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2006? Where was Obama's anti-war filibuster in 2007? Was stopping the war worth standing up, Barack?
Perhaps what HRC is asking, "If he's got more than a 2002 speech - where is it?"

[RichardRay]

73. Excuse me, did she REALLY say this?

If so, then she is pretty far 'round the bend.

“We can have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for a hundred years, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq,” said Clinton.

What? She thinks maybe there's a military solution?

[RichardRay]

75. And I ask again, is this what she really thinks? n/t

[bigtree]

98. did Obama really say this?

. . . as he opposed immediate withdrawal?

"I believe that U.S. forces are still a part of the solution in Iraq," Obama said. "Sufficient numbers of U.S. troops should be left in place to prevent Iraq from exploding into civil war, ethnic cleansing and a haven for terrorism."

http://obama.senate.gov/news/051123-obama_pull_gis/

[zulchzulu]

76. When it was her turn to vote for or against the War, she used one word...

YES

She really must thing people are stupid.

SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR AND FOR FUTURE WARS IN IRAN!

Maybe that's what compulsive liars do...they forget what they say the day before, let alone 5 years ago.

[rodeodance]

82. Hillary did not vote to take us to war. What an stupid thing to day!

[sudopod]

85. "What an stupid thing to day!"

what a wankfest. :eyes:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. Which is precisely why Hillary cannot be allowed to assume the reigns of power.

We expect war-mongering from Rethugs, not from those in the Democratic party!

[rodeodance]

106. you are funny.

[DerekJ]

83. BO Campaign: Clinton on Iraq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7DVHh1h3-0&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBKff

[rodeodance]

99. PUFF

[otohara]

101. She Used Her Creepy Voice Today

I wish she would stick to one tone, I feel like she has multiple personalities going on and it gives me the willies. Creepy voice is low and stern, fearful.

[rodeodance]

107. "Creepy Voice"--HAVE respect for a Democratic Pres. Candidate. SHAME ON YOU

[otohara]

114. The To Be Nominee Doesn't Have

that creepy voice.

It's calming with a much deeper tone.

[bigdarryl]

108. I'm sick of this rightwing woman. what a NERVE she voted for the damn war

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

110. I don't think an apology from Hillary for her war vote can save her now, not that one's coming.

[PerfectSage]

109. There is no military solution to the situation in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<snip>“We can have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for a hundred years, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq,” said Clinton. “Sen. McCain and President Bush claim withdrawal is defeat. Let’s be clear, withdrawal is not defeat. Defeat is keeping troops in Iraq for 100 years.”<snip>


War is the continuation of politics by other means. Clausewitz

There's always a political solution to Iraq. GTFO. IE Strategic Retreat.

Hillary flunked out of Grand Strategy 101. She's not ready to be CinC

[madrchsod]

111. neither candidate is going to do anything

until they take office and get all the information that they need to make the best decision on how to disengage from iraq. nothing is going to happen for at least another year.

both candidates are blowing smoke on this issue....

[madrchsod]

112. what is this.....

"but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq,” said Clinton."

what does she mean there is no political solution for who- iraq or the america?

[krkaufman]

116. Well, you're right there with him, Hill, just across the George Bush Commander-in-Chief threshold

Supporter of preemptive war, supporter of war mongering against Iran, decrying diplomacy with our supposed enemies.

[twelve roses]

118. The Democrats are smearing McCain

And it's not wingnuts saying it.

The independent Factcheck.org determined that McCain was being smeared, because his words are being taken out of context. He said he would keep troops in Iraq for 100 years "as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."

That is very different.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/smear_or_be_smeared.html