Does anyone here actually believe we gave the "gift of freedom" to the Iraqis?

[cali]

Poll question: Does anyone here actually believe we gave the "gift of freedom" to the Iraqis?

Because, personally, I don't care who says it, it's still an abominable lie and grotesque sentiment. But I'm curious. Here, in anonymity you can agree or disagree with Senator Clinton.

[helderheid]

1. never mind

:P

[kentuck]

2. Freedom's just another word for propagandists...

when they have taken everything else from people.

[Democrats_win]

3. Yes. Occupation = Freedom. Because Big Brother says so.

[Cant trust em]

4. We gave them a big clusterfuck

Whether that will translate into true freedom or not is too early to tell.

[olkaz]

5. Pretty big disconnect here...

I just don't see the words "Iraqi" and "Freedom" belonging in the same sentence for a long time.

It's one MASSIVE refugee crisis peppered with killings, kidnappings, terrorism, and god knows what else.

How one could call them "free" is beyond me.

[Cant trust em]

15. That's freedom to the Republicans

Under Saddam's rule he probably would have killed thousands, without his brutal regime the power vacuum that was created has lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. But they're now free to kill each other on their own.

[SoFlaJet]

6. we've given over 600 thousand of them

the gift of never having to worry about anything ever again by killing them and another million of them the gift of having to leave their country

[maximusveritas]

7. Only in their deaths can Iraqis truly be free

or something.

[shadowknows69]

8. I can't wait to see the Hillbot justification for this BS

Sound like Bush much?

[bicentennial_baby]

9. She *really* has some nerve to utter those words...

:mad:

[bunnies]

10. No.

And I find it appalling that any Democrat would say such a thing. 5 million refugees and 1 million dead in a country that did NOTHING to us is not freedom in any sense of the word. Its a war crime.

And once again she proves she is for the war. Shame on her.

[Blue-Jay]

11. I'd rather have a Wii than that particular "gift".

Hell... even a pair of socks.

[NJSecularist]

12. This is Hillary's way of pandering to the centrist part of our party.

[WoodrowFan]

13. yes, but, and it's a BIG BUT

yes, but the cost? It's like taking a present to your neighors, but killing their dog and some of the relatives, setting fire to their house, trashing their lawn, starting a family battle, emptying their bank account and their fridge, peeing in their hot water tank, causing their furnace to blow up, getting them fired, inviting in the local Hells Angels gang to take over some of the house, raping their daughter, and then wondering why they want you to leave.

(I didn't vote in the poll BTW)

[endarkenment]

25. What freedom did we give them?

We installed a government of our choice, and even then that government has no authority and exercises no power. Instead we rule their nation from our fortified palaces with our military machine. How on earth is that 'giving them freedom'?

[gatorboy]

14. I wouldn't necessarily call it a "gift". I'd call it a sack of shit set at their front door.

Yeah, that sounds about right...

[Arugula Latte]

20. You forgot the burning part ...

As in "burning sack of shit"

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

16. We gave them the freedom to kill each other.

[suston96]

17. We kinda did indeed give the Iraqis freedom, but they don't know what to do with it....

...which is why Hillary is saying we have to convince them that they have it. Small correction, Hillary: freedom is not a gift. It is a right. But the ability to exercise that right might require a generous donation of military might to secure that right.

[cali]

21. no we did not. We gave them another form of tyranny

We smashed social structures- some beneficial to the welfare of the Iraqi people. We bombed. We created a corrupt gov't. We created the conditions that led to ethnic cleansing. We destroyed a functional educational system and set Iraqi women back decades. We destroyed vital cultural attributes. That is not freedom. Not even close. And freedom may or may not be a right, but if it kills you, it's of bloody little use.

There was no excuse for the Iraq war and it did NOT bestow freedom on Iraq.

[endarkenment]

27. Please explain exactly what freedom we have given them.

[suston96]

32. What freedom? Freedom from Saddam Hussein and his tyranny? Oh, never mind....

...Iraq was better off with Saddam Hussein - so some Iraqis and some Americans are saying these days.

[endarkenment]

34. We simply replaced their homegrown tyrant with our

foreign tyrants, their torture chambers with ours, their abu ghraib with abu grhaib, their death squads with ours. 1,000,000+ dead Iraqis later and you think that is 'giving them freedom'?

The question was not are they better off now than under Hussein - by any objective measure they obviously were better off under Hussein. The question was how have we given them their freedom. And that remains unanswered.

[RichardRay]

18. I went with 'I don't know...'

because it's going to take the next several generations of Iraqis and the next several evolutions of politics in that part of the world before we can hope to know the long term effects of our actions there. In the short term it's an unholy mess with anecdotal evidence on all sides of several questions; 100 years from now it could look much the same, or it could look worse, or maybe even better. If it's better it'll largely be in spite of much of what my country did there.

[jlake]

19. No.

[NJSecularist]

23. What are your thoughts about Hillary Rodham Clinton's latest comments?

[jlake]

28. I think they are vile spin.

[eissa]

22. As someone who has family in Baghdad

I can say with complete certainity -- NO. I'll spare everyone the details, suffice to say you've heard most of how horrible life is now in Iraq (yes, it was bad before, but worse now.)

And I am disgusted that a dem candidate is parroting this republican propoganda.

[ecstatic]

24. I can't even begin to express how incredibly offensive I find Clinton's comments

A million (or more) Iraqis dead--their families destroyed... Electricity gone... Women now losing rights more than ever...

Constant fear of terrorism or being in the right place at the wrong time...

And she calls this the "gift of freedom?"

Mrs. Clinton, your vote was CRIMINAL and you are so very lucky that so many dems are willing to overlook your betrayal. HOW DARE YOU now try to sugarcoat this EVIL invasion? No, seriously, HOW DARE YOU?!

[IndianaGreen]

26. Hillary also told AIPAC that all options were on the table on Iran, including a nuclear attack

on Iran's facilities. This woman is unfit for the Presidency!

[Umbram]

29. Clinton is moving back towards her base with these statements (nt)

[redqueen]

30. We gave them a type of freedom, I suppose.

The freedom to live in a theocracy.

The freedom to have their oil privatized.

The freedom to enjoy huge increases in diseases, lower live birth rates, higher birth defect rates, etc. etc .etc.

I'm sure there's a few more kinds of freedom we gave them...

[flpoljunkie]

31. Assumed it was George W. Bush who said this! Sounds just like him!

[IndianaGreen]

33. Hillary will put on a flight suit and stuff a sock in the crotch, and she will look just like Bush

She is as delusional as Bush!