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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:05 PM
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Barack Obama's speech on race tomorrow will do down as one of the best speeches in political history
And one that will be talked about for generations. Who else is excited??!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:08 PM
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1. Me! I can't wait! nt
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:10 PM
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5. 10:15 AM according to Ed Shultz NT
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:14 PM
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7. Is that eastern or central?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:15 PM
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8. Thanks! nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:31 PM
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21. Most people will be at work... That sucks
So we have to rely on MSM recaps?
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:22 PM
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14. How do you know? Have you seen it?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:29 PM
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19. No, the OP asked who was looking forward to it; I said I was.
He hasn't given it yet.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:41 PM
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29. This is what the OP said:
"Barack Obama's speech on race tomorrow will do (sic) down as one of the best speeches in political history..."

How does the OP know that?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:43 PM
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33. Because the man can give a rousing speech and has something to
say? That'd be my guess.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:08 PM
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2. What time?
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:09 PM
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What time is the speech?
I live close enough. I was thinking of taking off work to go. I was thinking this was something that should not be missed.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:09 PM
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3. It doesn't need to be THAT good ...
I'm excited because this hopefully will prove to me why I've been a supporter for most of
this campaign -- that he can embrace and and capitalize on an opportunity to have a serious
conversation about an issue we so clearly have avoided for FAR too long. I'm fully willing
to jump off the bandwagon if he doesn't meet this challenge, but I believe my support will
be justified tomorrow.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:09 PM
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4. I am!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:14 PM
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6. And this is exactly how the Rev. Wright thing could be a net plus for Obama.
They've given him a change to shine ala Kennedy / Catholicism.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:40 PM
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28. Agree. I'd like to see a little outrage at the people
who use fear, polarization, hate to make political gains and to sell airtime. I'd like to see him start painting a picture that more effectively portrays the good people of his church. I'd like to see him turn the tables and make a call for the better parts of ourselves to rise above the smears.

More light, less darkness.

More thought, less fear

More hope, less despair and frustration

More change, less of the last 7 years

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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:43 PM
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32. I suspect thats exactly what he'll do.
And he'll come out on top. Again.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:17 PM
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9. It better be.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:20 PM
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10. I am sad that he has to do this. Just sad. He has done nothing wrong, and
yet the forces against him in both parties want to make him unelectable, as either the closet Muslim or the Scary Radical Black Man or the Affirmative Action Black. I feel sick to my stomach, and almost heartbroken, about what's been happening the last few weeks.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:26 PM
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17. I know exactly what you mean n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:33 PM
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22. If people buy the Right-wing BS, and don't pay attention to actual issues of importance, my faith
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 02:33 PM by wienerdoggie
in this country will be pretty much shot, especially after the last 8 years. :(
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:42 PM
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30. I'm actually happy he has to do it
I think Obama really is a transformative leader--and I think part of that transformative quality is the way he can make us rethink discourses of race. We have been having the same conversations about race since the late 60s now; it is time for a new discourse and a way of destabilizing the entrenched, and always too-available, positions.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:21 PM
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11. for sure
even if he had a seizure

bill from ct
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:22 PM
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12. JFK's Religion Speech
John F. Kennedy



While the so-called religious issue is necessarily and properly the chief topic here tonight, I want to emphasize from the outset that we have far more critical issues to face in the 1960 election; the spread of Communist influence, until it now festers 90 miles off the coast of Florida--the humiliating treatment of our President and Vice President by those who no longer respect our power--the hungry children I saw in West Virginia, the old people who cannot pay their doctor bills, the families forced to give up their farms--an America with too many slums, with too few schools, and too late to the moon and outer space.

These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not religious issues--for war and hunger and ignorance and despair know no religious barriers.

But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected President, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured--perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again--not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me--but what kind of America I believe in.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim--but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of Presidency in which I believe--a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of any one religious group nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office.

I would not look with favor upon a President working to subvert the first amendment's guarantees of religious liberty. Nor would our system of checks and balances permit him to do so--and neither do I look with favor upon those who would work to subvert Article VI of the Constitution by requiring a religious test--even by indirection--for it. If they disagree with that safeguard they should be out openly working to repeal it.

I want a Chief Executive whose public acts are responsible to all groups and obligated to none--who can attend any ceremony, service or dinner his office may appropriately require of him--and whose fulfillment of his Presidential oath is not limited or conditioned by any religious oath, ritual or obligation.

This is the kind of America I believe in--and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a "divided loyalty," that we did "not believe in liberty," or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the "freedoms for which our forefathers died."

And in fact this is the kind of America for which our forefathers died--when they fled here to escape religious test oaths that denied office to members of less favored churches--when they fought for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom--and when they fought at the shrine I visited today, the Alamo. For side by side with Bowie and Crockett died McCafferty and Bailey and Carey--but no one knows whether they were Catholic or not. For there was no religious test at the Alamo.

I ask you tonight to follow in that tradition--to judge me on the basis of my record of 14 years in Congress--on my declared stands against an Ambassador to the Vatican, against unconstitutional aid to parochial schools, and against any boycott of the public schools (which I have attended myself)--instead of judging me on the basis of these pamphlets and publications we all have seen that carefully select quotations out of context from the statements of Catholic church leaders, usually in other countries, frequently in other centuries, and always omitting, of course, the statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which strongly endorsed church-state separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic.

I do not consider these other quotations binding upon my public acts--why should you? But let me say, with respect to other countries, that I am wholly opposed to the state being used by any religious group, Catholic or Protestant, to compel, prohibit, or persecute the free exercise of any other religion. And I hope that you and I condemn with equal fervor those nations which deny their Presidency to Protestants and those which deny it to Catholics. And rather than cite the misdeeds of those who differ, I would cite the record of the Catholic Church in such nations as Ireland and France--and the independence of such statesmen as Adenauer and De Gaulle.

But let me stress again that these are my views--for contrary to common newspaper usage, I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President who happens also to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my church on public matters--and the church does not speak for me.

Whatever issue may come before me as President--on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject--I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

But if the time should ever come--and I do not concede any conflict to be even remotely possible--when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same.

But I do not intend to apologize for these views to my critics of either Catholic or Protestant faith--nor do I intend to disavow either my views or my church in order to win this election.

If I should lose on the real issues, I shall return to my seat in the Senate, satisfied that I had tried my best and was fairly judged. But if this election is decided on the basis that 40 million Americans lost their chance of being President on the day they were baptized, then it is the whole nation that will be the loser, in the eyes of Catholics and non-Catholics around the world, in the eyes of history, and in the eyes of our own people.

But if, on the other hand, I should win the election, then I shall devote every effort of mind and spirit to fulfilling the oath of the Presidency--practically identical, I might add, to the oath I have taken for 14 years in the Congress. For without reservation, I can "solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution...so help me God.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:22 PM
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13. Yes we can, heal this nation.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:23 PM
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15. Anybody with a link please post it!!
To either a live feed or a full length replay someplace on the web...

(No TV. Usually I don't miss it!)
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:25 PM
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16. I'll be watching tomorrow for sure
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:27 PM
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18. I am looking forward to this
It does have the potential to be a great and important speech.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:30 PM
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20. well let's not set bar to ridiculous levels
thereby equating Romney's big letdown
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:34 PM
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23. LOL... yeah Romney did make a fool of himself but
I have high hopes for Obama. I pray he knocks it out the park, like JFK and MLK.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:35 PM
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46. it was a very good speech
I read it 1.5 times
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:35 PM
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24. It'll be a good speech, I'm sure. Doesn't have to be the greatest EVAH.
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FyurFly Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:36 PM
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25. Too little too late n/t
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:45 PM
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35. better late then never j/a
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:37 PM
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26. wow, what's this about - another thread with more info?
another link with more info?

sounds great - he will do a smashing job, as always.

obama seems to have a talent of turning sows ears into silk purses - as is the case (I assume) in his speech tomorrow which was a direct result of all the Wright nonsense flappery but which may end up playing just the right way in Baracks hands.

he's smart like anything. ;)
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:38 PM
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27. National UCC Response to Attacks on Rev. Wright
Here is the response of the national UCC Church to the attacks on Rev. Wright.

http://www.ucc.org/news/chicagos-trinity-ucc-is.html
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:43 PM
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31. Not me because he has proven that he doesn't have the wisdom or judgement to lead this country. If
he is unable to stand up for his beliefs, and he believed that Rev. Wright was a problem, then what will he do when dealing with other nations. He's untested, inexperienced and irresponsible.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:46 PM
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37. I don't think he's giving the speech for people like you who already hate him.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:44 PM
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34. Thanks for letting us know! I bet it will be promoted tonight all over the news...
and HIM giving a SPEECH? That should be WONDERFUL. Just the few lines he says on the subject in the past few days has drawn great applause from the audience.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:46 PM
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36. CNN just re-ran a clip of Wright while talking about Obama speech
ugh.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:47 PM
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38. Of course they're going to keep playing those clips. But as long as they advertised his speech
tomorrow, I think he'll be ok.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:53 PM
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39. Great applause from his supporters? How unusual!
Really, aren't ya'll silly.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:29 PM
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43. He doesn't get great applause for every comment he makes.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:54 PM
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40. proud to be recommend #5
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:57 PM
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41. I am totally excited
I hope it ROCKS, an that he's utterly truthful and ready to keep unifying the nation after a very divisive season.

I can't wait to hear it. I've loved listening to each of his new speeches. I was breathless after Iowa, just utterly filled with enthusiasm. I was blown away after New Hapshire, and I've been waiting for something really new and noteworthy for a while. This should be it!

Can't wait!

David
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:59 PM
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42. Oh Yes! The Speach From
St. Obama will be perfect. No one in history will have given such a speech. LOL OMG are you Obama supporters really that blind?

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:32 PM
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44. If you're going to try to ridicule him and his supporters, at least you could spell "speech"
correctly. :rofl:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:35 PM
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45. What's up with the hyperbole? Bitter much?
If he has more airtime than you'd like, blame Fox News or possibly the Clinton campaign for trying to deflect from the REAL issues we ought to be addressing.
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