Thank You, Kos!

[Coexist]

Please go over and read the entire thing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/17/12417/1285/527/478498

Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war.

Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power.

It is Clinton, with no reasonable chance of victory, who is fomenting civil war in order to overturn the will of the Democratic electorate. As such, as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't deserve "fairness" on this site. All sexist attacks will be dealt with -- those will never be acceptable. But otherwise, Clinton has set an inevitably divisive course and must be dealt with appropriately.

<snip>
To reiterate, she cannot win without overturning the will of the national Democratic electorate and fomenting civil war, and she doesn't care.

That's why she has earned my enmity and that of so many others. That's why she is bleeding super delegates. That's why she's even bleeding her own caucus delegates (remember, she lost a delegate in Iowa on Saturday). That's why Keith Olbermann finally broke his neutrality. That's why Nancy Pelosi essentially cast her lot with Obama. That's why Democrats outside of the Beltway are hoping for the unifying Obama at the top of the ticket, and not a Clinton so divisive, she is actually working to split her own party.

Meanwhile, Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people who have "turned" on Clinton and are no longer "honest power brokers" or "respectable voices" or whatnot, wearing blinders to reality, talking about silly little "strikes" when in reality, Clinton is planning a far more drastic, destructive and dehabilitating civil war.

People like me have two choices -- look the other way while Clinton attempts to ignite her civil war, or fight back now, before we cross that dangerous line. Honestly, it wasn't a difficult choice. And it's clear, looking at where the super delegates, most bloggers, and people like Olbermann are lining up, that the mainstream of the progressive movement is making the same choice.

And the more super delegates see what is happening, and what Clinton has in store, the more imperative it is that they line up behind Obama and put an end to it before it's too late.

[ReverendDeuce]

1. Amen to that, Kos...

Amen, indeed!

[pollo poco]

131. All sexist attacks will be dealt with -- those will never be acceptable.

Really?
Put your money where your mouth is Kos.
I agree with you about Hillary.
But your tolerance for sexism has been reprehensible.
Come join us in the 21st century, where all the "isms" are equally unacceptable.
Tell your friends in the mainstream press your new policy.
Call Olbermann on it. Demand a new standard on behalf of all oppressed people.

[DemGa]

2. "Kos" is an amateur -- His website will go down with Obama ---NT

[Coexist]

5. I might point out that many respected Democratic voices post Diaries there

Kennedy, Kerry, Olbermann, but you aren't even trying to be serious, are you?

[DemGa]

15. I've seen some of Kos' 1:00 am rants -- full of novice errors

he misinterprets things often -- drives his latte lib supporters nuts. And Kennedy ran against a sitting Dem President to the convention and gave us Ronnie Reagan -- that wing of the Party is not respected by all.

I stopped going there when it became clear the level of Hillary hate.

[democracy1st]

54. hush and go play with Zell Miller

now that would be productive

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

56. hasn't Hillary met the "Zell Miller" Rule Thresh-hold yet?

what with Bill going on Limbaugh show, her endorsement of McCain,
her kitchen sink?????

[Brundle_Fly]

118. Latté Libs.

if ever anything sounded like a divisive repuke talking point.

We prefer San Francisco values Libs, thank you very much. hobag.

[olkaz]

138. The use of "latte liberals" is a surefire indication of conversion to the dark side of the force.

Totally agree.

Go ahead and adopt a moderate stance; That is totally fine with me.

But do not use ridiculous stereotypes on your OWN PARTY.

[yodermon]

125. what's a "latte lib"?

:eyes:

[DemGa]

126. Look, I've got nothing against "lattes"

It's the best description I have for those nasty Hillary-haters at Daily Kos -- the Kennedy-Obama wing of the "Democrats."

[Lerkfish]

139. hm...I don't drink lattes, but I oppose clinton's candidacy

what stereotypical put-down do you use in my case?

[DemGa]

141. Non Sequitur --- NT

[Lerkfish]

145. really? you said it was the best descriptor, and I pointed out it didn't apply to me

so I queried you on what descriptor you would use to put me down.
\

just because you're afraid to answer doesn't make it non-sequitor.

[DemGa]

147. It doesn't logically follow

that I am supposed to have some "descriptor" for you. Non Sequitur.

[TheWraith]

143. You seem to ignore the fact that it's your candidate who's switched parties.

Republican tactics, Republican talking points, Republican election shenanigans, and finally trying to win over voters with innuendo about affirmative action and scaremongering.

Yeah, the Kennedy wing of the party are the fake "Democrats."

[DemGa]

148. Those are merely accusations

Look at what Ted Kennedy did to Carter in 1980, and see the facts of someone who doesn't give a damn about the Democratic Party.

[catgirl]

140. A smart person, I guess!

And those who accuse people of being them are D.U.M.B. LOL!

[catgirl]

142. If drinking lattes puts me at the other end of the spectrum from you...

I'll start drinking them. : )

[papau]

22. and many voices have left because of Kos bias and site sexism

[Name removed]

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[Laurab]

69. Not to mention the times he's on TV and in the news.

"Latte lib" sounds pretty freeperish to me, I've never had a latte in my life!

[Jackpine Radical]

79. You oughtta try a latte sometime. You owe it to yourself.

I think I'm gonna be drinking them a lot, now that I've thrown in my lot with the Obamites. I'm gonna keep my tractor and pickup trucks and guns and hunting dog though, just to confound a few stereotypes.

[eridani]

84. You'll fit right in out here in the upper northwest corner of the US if you ever visit

I swear I saw a sign in a convenience store in a small town in coastal Oregon which read "Live bait and espresso." Presumably served separately. You can get espresso anywhere in the US in airports and malls. Out here you can get it in blue plate special diners, truck stops and bowling alleys as well.

[Jackpine Radical]

124. Why served separately?

Here in Wisconsin we keep the live bait in iced espresso--it keeps the little fellers lively--and then we drink the espresso when we use up the bait.

[eridani]

152. Cheesehead!! Jeebus!!

:wtf:

[Connonym]

136. I'm glad you (and lots of other liberals) are confounding the stereotypes

we'll need the guns come the revolution. I'm only half kidding :thumbsup: from a fellow WI Obamite

[ekwhite]

120. What in the name of Odin is a 'latte'?

And why do I have to drink one if I support Obama?

[Laurab]

150. I dunno. I read it somewhere - on here, in fact.

Anyone who supports Obama is a "latte" liberal or something like that. I don't think you have to drink just one, but I'd have to ask whoever said that, because I support Obama, and I've never had one. I THINK I can still support him, though - I intend to, anyway!

[K Gardner]

12. "Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts"

[burythehatchet]

66. good riddance

[LittleClarkie]

74. What grassroots blogger ISN'T an "amateur"? Since when is any blogger paid?

And he's been around long enough to say that I don't think this will take him down. His support of Dean in 2004 didn't bring him down. Supporting Obama, come what may, won't either.

Even if he is sometimes a schmuck.

[alcibiades_mystery]

81. They'd rather have Mark Penn charging them $12 million for bad advice

Than a bunch of amateurs doing work for conscience.

It's a bizarre version of corporate democracy, but hell, it's the Clintonite way.

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. Kos is an amateur: that's why I like him

You keep the Mark Penn's of the world, please. Keep them away from us. They're incredible losers. Why Hillary didn't have this locked up by March 4 is a total mystery, except when you look at the "professional" idiots running the Hillary campaign. I'll take the amateurs, thanks.

[Name removed]

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[PaulaFarrell]

110. Gosh, are you paid by buzz word?

Arabic, Muslim, riots, Black (with a capital!), Hate, Rovian...or is it by meme?

- be scared, there will be riots in the street
- Obama corrupt, doesn't care about poor blacks
- has an Arabic, Muslim patron - well that's mighty suspicious, maybe he's a closet Muslim after all
- Hillary is just calmly pointing out their differences, and look how they react. Irrational. City blocks will burn, I tell ya! Did I mention riots?
- it'a all just a CULT!

As a side note, can I find out more about this Rovian mind control? It must be pretty strong to work on someone in the UK who has never actually seen him speak. How exactly does it work?

[KnaveRupe]

117. I'm sure I'm not the first to ask...

... but the "Zee" in your name wouldn't stand for "Zell", would it?


'cause, I'm just sayin'.

[ekwhite]

121. OK - you lose for using the term 'Obamatron' to begin with

And yes, the 'Obama won Texas' claim is spin, but so is ignoring the fact that Obama came away with more delegates. Clinton won the popular vote - Obama won the delegate count.

As far as 'anointing' Obama, he IS ahead in the pledged delegate count and the overall count (including Superdelegates). One could as easily accuse Clinton supporters of 'anointing' her.

Let me give you a clue, Sparky. Some of us don't care what Buzzflash says. I certainly don't.

And then you go to 'riots,' and 'black nationalist hate church.' Methinks your racist stripes are showing sir.

And what in the HELL are you talking about with 'Rovian mind control'? Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson, who work for the CLINTON campaign are Rove devotees, not Obama. He hasn't published photos of Clinton in a turban, or brought up any of Clinton's baggage, or said that she is only where she is because she is a woman. If he had wanted to slime Senator Clinton, there is no lack of material there.

You seem to be a bit mind controlled yourself, Zee

[jwirr]

127. When people like you lose the election for us in November I as a

poor woman am going to remember who did it. While I believe in supporting your candidate what you are doing here in this post is destroying our chances of winning in November. This kind of actions from Hillary are what pushed me (Gore, Edwards) into Obama's side.

[purji]

129. wow

thats some good weed you got there.

[Spiffarino]

149. Did you make a wrong turn?

I think you meant to go right.

[gaiilonfong]

112. HillaryIS44 is a racist site that will go down

along with allyour posts DemGa

[roguevalley]

135. in your dreams, demga

[musiclawyer]

3. Kos is not perfect. He gets things wrong sometimes.

But this one is spot on. HRC needs to be called out. I'm upset that Obama does not do so himself.

[K Gardner]

4. I got a survey in the mail today from the DNC about the Primary Race. I took the

opportunity to send them a letter about just what is written above. I also told them they can count on my financial support when and if someone takes action to stop Hillary Clinton from tearing this party and the nation, asunder.

[Coexist]

6. I donated to the DNC and Obama today.

[CitizenRob]

7. Cheers KOS!

[MADem]

8. He sounds a little frantic and flopsweatty to me. That's not "inspiring"--it's petulant. NT

[Coexist]

11. Mark Penn? Is that you?

[MADem]

18. The mango kool aid is delicious...do have some! NT

[Coexist]

23. I prefer the grape, thank you.

[K Gardner]

13. Speaking of petulant. Mirror?

[MADem]

21. What did I say that was petulant? I put forth an opinion in reasonable tones.

Sorry if you don't "like" what I said, but that is not my problem. If anyone's petulant, it's you for using the formulaic "mirror" whine as a retort.

:rofl:

[CreekDog]

16. You are so predictable I could practically write your posts for you

seriously. :think:

[MADem]

17. No, I'm not. And you don't even know me. I sure as fuck don't know you. NT

[CreekDog]

19. I read your posts here all the time

that's why I could write your posts for you. :eyes:

[MADem]

24. No you don't, because I'm not here "all the time."

Less and less, lately, with all of the enthusiastic "newcomers" with their pitchers of KA.

When they make their exodus, as they will, eventually, I'll perhaps spend more time here. Or maybe not.

[CreekDog]

26. i guess our definitions of "all the time" are different

:rofl:

[MADem]

30. I guess they are. NT

[K Gardner]

37. Is this a "reasonable tone" ?

[MADem]

39. Sure. nt

[apocalypsehow]

77. The very epitome of class & civility, as always....

:eyes:

:thumbsdown:

[SoCalDem]

111. hee-hee .. I saw "flop-sweat"..and immediately thought of...

our old pal Terry McAwful

[Catherina]

9. Hurrah for KOS! The entire Democratic establishment needs to follow suite

before the Clintons totally destroy the party and permanently lose the Black and progressive vote, not to mention all the new blood that wants nothing to do with Clinton.

[K Gardner]

10. I commend Kos for standing up for progressive principles.. sad that the same cant be said for DU...

"There was always something incongruous about the self-proclaimed “Hillary Bloggers” trying to use Daily Kos for their purposes. DKos has been defined as a meeting ground not for every Democrat, but for the kind that wants to change the party to be more grassroots oriented, adhere to a 50-state strategy, stop the war in Iraq, and blunt the influence of lobbyists, PACs and the neoliberal Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). That’s the glue that has always held the DKos community together and made it so large and strong.

Given that candidate Clinton is a member of the DLC, voted to authorize the war, accepts federal lobbyist and PAC money, clearly thinks that a lot (if not most) states “don’t matter,” and epitomizes a 1990s style top-down form of doing politics, it’s no surprise that for all of 2007 Clinton never exceeded 11 percent support in the monthly Daily Kos users straw poll."

[WillyT]

14. Big K & R !!!

:bounce::kick::bounce:

KOS... :yourock:

And FLDem5...

so do you! :yourock:

[Coexist]

31. aw, heck, I just copied and pasted

kos told it like it is.

[apocalypsehow]

20. Looks like DU's not the only place that's had to endure endless vitriol from the HRC boosters.

K & R. :thumbsup:

[Beregond2]

25. Kos

I stopped going to Kos a couple of years ago, when he made a statement to the effect that proactive war is sometimes necessary. But his principled stance on this issue may lure me back.

[Nedsdag]

27. Terrific post, Kos!

You make more sense than most of the bloggers (::cough::MYDD::cough) on the Internet.

Keep up the good work!

[flpoljunkie]

28. Thank you, Kos! And, thank you, FLDem5, for posting it! K&R!

[Upton]

29. Thank you Kos!

somebody's got to say what needs to be said.

[Bentcorner]

32. Neither candidate can get the nomination without the aid of the superdelegates.

To single out Clinton is as being the only one is not being honest. The superdelegates will look at who of the two remaining candidates is more electable in the general election. I used to think that was Obama. Now I think Clinton is the one with the best chance.

[Coexist]

35. I respectfully disagree -

if they were closer in delegates, it would make sense to fight it out a little longer. She can't catch up - at all. Her campaign is tearing the party apart in a year we should be skating.

[Bentcorner]

42. But he can't get the needed amount of delegates either.

Let the superdelegates decide. That's the way it was set up to work.

[Coexist]

52. see OP, or better yet, read the entire diary.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. You said it.

[tandem5]

47. I'm not sure I follow. It is pretty much a certainty that neither

will get enough pledged delegates alone to lock up the nomination. Super delegates will decide this nomination either way. The spin that pledged delegates are a reflection of the "people's will" is simply not true. The whole point of the pledged delegate system is to give greater power to smaller states to counter the larger delegate allocation of larger states. This has to come at the expense of voters: In California it takes ~10,000 people to appoint one delegate with average turnout and about 4600 to appoint one delegate in Wyoming with 100% turnout. If one is going to argue that the pledged delegate count is the metric that should guide super delegates, if the popular vote lead and pledged count differ, because nomination rules define delegates as the "official" unit of comparison then one must also adhere to the rules that say the super delegates can do whatever the hell they want, but this approach is certainly not the high road. I think Obama should be the nominee if he has won the popular vote and has a majority of pledged delegates, but if those numbers differ I want the discretion that the rules bestowed upon the supers to be utilized - not to automatically choose Clinton, but to truly consider the larger picture before making a choice.

[Coexist]

61. plese see Op

[Zee Miller]

87. Too funny...trying to reason with pod people!

But more power to you!

If they can't recognize the MATH, nor admit that the general election is not going to be won by someone whose mentor says "God Damn America" (the reason is moot...it's all about sound bytes) then you can COUNT on them to .... try to guess...wait for it...BLAME CLINTON when their boy tanks.

President McCain will be grateful, I'm sure.

[Scurrilous]

33. K & R

:thumbsup:

[elixir]

34. This guy has completely come off the rails! Why doesn't he call it the DailyObama?

Seems like that's his agenda. Civil war?!!! I really think we all would be more likely to listen to each other if we used plausable, fact based discussions.

[uponit7771]

41. What do you think will happen if she goes after the SD's the way she is?

[hfojvt]

43. he definitely wants the more progressive candidate to win

I certainly don't blame him for that. But I guess it's true that there would be no civil war if progressives just rolled over for the DLC instead of trying to defeat them in fair elections.

[kwenu]

51. Before we get to the fact based discussions we need to be sure Hillary supporters know basic math.

or they will not be capable of having a fact based discussion.

[hfojvt]

36. Is she really doing anything different

than what Kennedy did in 1980? Kennedy went all the way to the convention and fought there in spite of Carter's huge delegate lead.

Probably similar things happened in 1968, with disasterous results for our party both times.

Perhaps she thinks/hopes that a Clinton/Obama ticket could avert a civil war? If she sweeps the rest of the primaries including Florida and Michigan and leads in national polls wouldn't she be considered the presumptive nominee? Somebody that the SDs should support?

What she is doing may be contemptible, but then so is what Kennedy did. Markos is likely to see things the way he does because he has never wanted her to win the nomination. I feel that way myself.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. Kos rox!

[uponit7771]

40. Speak to truth to everyone!!!!

[Arugula Latte]

44. This paragraph from kos captures perfectly the reasons so many of us don't support Clinton:

"Given that candidate Clinton is a member of the DLC, voted to authorize the war, accepts federal lobbyist and PAC money, clearly thinks that a lot (if not most) states “don’t matter,” and epitomizes a 1990s style top-down form of doing politics, it’s no surprise that for all of 2007 Clinton never exceeded 11 percent support in the monthly Daily Kos users straw poll."

[Grinchie]

108. From what I've seen from the DLC, They blow big time

DLC is like the syrupy sweet commercials that sell nothing but a brand. They produce rhetoric too much like BushCo to have any effect on people anymore.

All of these Hilary supporters that try to twist the context of every little message, and further try to confuse the issues by responding in hunderds of one liners are running scared, as they are unable to hold a complete train of tought after they spew out ridiculous veiled threats against a successful candidate.

I wonder how much they get paid for these hit and run attacks using hundreds of aliases.

[madfloridian]

46. DiMaio v DNC heard today...decision to be rendered later.

It could decide it all for us. It sounds like they are skeptical of the DNC's power in when primaries are scheduled. There is already Supreme Court precedent, so this is scary.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-317primaryappeal,0,7183009.story

"But the judges on Monday sounded skeptical of Steinberg's equal protection claim, noting in their questions that states select their presidential picks in different ways _ some use caucuses and others primaries _ and on different days. Judge Stanley Marcus suggested at one point that the only way to treat all the states equally, under Steinberg's theory, was for them to all hold their primaries on the same day."

"But the judges also tested the limits of Sandler's argument that the DNC rules prevail when it comes to scheduling state primaries.

Marcus asked whether the party can constitutionally exclude some states from the process altogether by allowing only small states to vote, for example, because the big states already hold political sway.

``Obviously, it would be political suicide but that's not what I'm asking,'' he said.

Sandler said he did not think that would be permissible but continued that was not happened in Florida, where the state was allowed to vote just not on the date they chose.

Sandler also said that DiMaio lacks standing to bring the suit, because his court filing doesn't say whether he even voted in the state's Jan. 29 election."

Say hello to nominee Clinton if the court decides the original primary stands.

Forgot voting.

[Barack_America]

48. This was a great thing to come home and read.

Thanks for posting.

[Cha]

49. I love it when it doesn't take

a brick wall to fall on someone's head to get the picture. This hilary attempted coup of the Dem Party assisted by her dino marauders, the dlc, could be seen developing months ago but so many could not let them selves believe it. Believe it.

THANK YOU, KOS! Now what do we do?

[kwenu]

50. There is nothing more satisfying than the straight cold truth. Thanks Kos. Thanks Olbermann.

Unfortunately, Hillary's civil war has already begun and she must be stopped. The superdelegates will NOT be allowed to overturn the pledged delegates without supreme destruction of the Democratic Party.

[ORDem]

53. I noticed how right away the Hillbots start attacking Kos, not the content

or message. :rofl:, once again showing the depth of their lack of confidence in their candidate.

I'm just wondering when the Dem leadership is going to wake up and stop this nonsense of Hillary dragging out the primary season and continuing to damage a fellow Democrat. The SDs are clearly moving toward Obama, but at a dizzingly slow pace.

Perhaps after his address tomorrow that will change.

:kick:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

55. thank you to FLDem5

:yourock:

[Coexist]

58. thanks - but I just posted it

kos nailed it.

[New Dawn]

57. K&R!

[cornermouse]

59. Nice... Calling people paranoid.

That should really make the Clinton supporters leap to Obama's side. :eyes:

[DeschutesRiver]

62. deleted dup

deleted - dup

[DeschutesRiver]

63. I don't know anything about KOS

But what I have figured out is this. There is not any realistic way, for the remainder of the primaries, that Clinton can overtake Obama's lead. So he is the already in the position he needs to be in to be the nominee come convention time.

If superdelegates swing to Clinton in defiance of the will of the electorate, as proven by the elected delegate numbers and intended by party rules, Clinton will be the nominee. And the Democratic Party will shatter into so many pieces that they won't function properly or cohesively enough to get another Dem elected for many elections to come. Some dems will stay home in November; other will vote McCain. Likely every dem who feels disenfranchised by this will do something, other than vote for Clinton. It is a promise that McCain will be the next president.

I am an Independent - I don't throughly dislike McCain, but I do like what I see so far in Obama. I would like the chance to watch issues debates between the old one and the young one. I haven't felt this energized by election possibilities for years. Clinton is too divisive to be the kind of president I want. I am 50 years old, and nothing would be better to a professional like me, who owes so very much to the strong women who came before me and blazed a tough path for me, than to vote for a woman president.

But character matters. So I can't in good conscience for anyone who behaves as Clinton has done. I hope to god that in her zeal to hang on, she doesn't take the whole dem party down with her. If it came to her and McCain, I will vote Mcain without listening to another word from either of them.

[Coexist]

64. wonderful post

Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[DeschutesRiver]

72. thanks for the welcome

I've lurked here on and off since Gore, and then Kerry.

And I am worried. We are at the beginning of a history making financial mess that is going to briefly break us apart, break our spirits and break us down as individuals. The last thing we need is a president who uses divisiveness to achieve goals.

[jwirr]

130. Welcome/ I think your point is the crux of the issue. This is no time in

history to tear us down. *ss's policies have taken us to the brink of disaster and we need someone who can to the fireside talks which unite us behind economic recovery.

While I think that Obama has been hurt by this thoughtless preacher I think we owe him the chance to repair the damage. He has time BUT it is not okay for the Clinton supporters to add their voices to the preacher. We are supposed to be trying to win in November. Give him time to rebuild his fences. We cannot afford to lose in November no matter who is our candidate: Supreme Court, economic ruin, ME wars or stability. Those are just a few of the issues that hang on our winning. Both candidates had better start acting like they are working toward that goal.

[JeanGrey]

119. I'm afraid that I have decided as well. It will be the first time

I've EVER voted for a republican in my entire life...... but it Hillary succeeds in tearing our party apart to get the nomination I not only will NOT vote for her, I will vote against her. I can do nothing else. And I'm not the only one.

[knixphan]

65. The Clintons were ok with starting 'their own DNC' before

Nothing surprises me with them

[KoKo]

67. Disgusting of Kos...Throwing folks under the bus who aren't even Clinton Supporters!

n/t

[Coexist]

68. Note from John at Americablog: Amen

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/it-will-be-clinton-initiated-clinton.html

Markos has an important post, The Clinton civil war, that sums up how a lot of Democrats are feeling these days. Bottom line is that by any marker, Hillary cannot win the nomination. But, she's pursuing a slash and burn campaign anyway.

The traditional media is playing up the Obama-Clinton battle. And, the Clinton campaign is playing along with them. Reporters and pundits know the reality - Hillary can't win - but it's good for ratings to keep this battle going. In terms of what is really happening, the media pack is behind the curve on the Democratic race.

Sure, Clinton will win Pennsylvania -- she should win it by 15 or 20 points. So what? Clinton supporter Governor Rendell said either Clinton or Obama will win his state in November. And even with a huge Pennsylvania victory, Hillary will still lose to Obama in the overall delegate count, and THAT is the standard for victory. Pennsylvania is now irrelevant because Hillary lost this race many states, and many weeks, ago.

Hillary won't win the nomination without some machination - Markos calls it a coup, and he's right - that will result in a Democratic Party civil war. And, that seems fine by her as Markos explains:

[twelve roses]

70. Meanwhile, Obama supporters joyfully welcome superdelegates who switch to Obama

Go figure.

Question: Are superdelegates bad or good? Make up your minds.

[Coexist]

71. Welcome to DU!

[Hutzpa]

73. Bravo Kos,

:thumbsup:

Its Skinner, Elad and Earl G's turn to follow suit.

[SunsetDreams]

75. Thank you Kos!

For standing up to this nonsense!

[OwnedByFerrets]

76. K & R

[mckara]

78. Preachin' to the Choir!

n/t

[Major Hogwash]

82. Who is the author of this article?

Do you know who wrote it?

[Perry Logan]

83. Clintophobia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep.

How weird is it that Clintophobes honest-to-God think they can read Hillary's mind? That's like a dog trying to understand its master.

[jconner27]

85. Kos and Rush sitting in a tree

Funny how Kos and Rush are working together to spew a lie that Hillary darken a pic of cult leader Obama.. When Obama loses Daily Kos should shut down.

[Kurovski]

88. It's really awful. Just plain awful.

And more than a little heartbreaking to realize that the electorate means about as much to Clinton as we do to Bush.

Demoralizing, and more shameful than any goddam sex scandal could ever be.

I don't know how any person of active conscience could not at least be having second thoughts, or re-examining their position on the Clintons. I personally had mine about two years ago.

It's not easy to come to terms with being duped. But it is of course fine for those who believe this type of politics is fair, or just the way things are.

I reject it in Repubs and Dems alike.

[Daphne08]

89. I've lost all respect for Hillary because of the way she has

waged this campaign.

[Swamp Rat]

90. "Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people"

HAHAHAHA!!!!! :rofl:

[Eurobabe]

92. rofl

SwampRat, you slay me. :spray:

[Swamp Rat]

93. I slay politicians.

:D

[Eurobabe]

94. you bad!!

:rofl: :rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

95. At least you have a sense of humor.

I like Biden, btw. ... edit: considering he's a politician.

:toast:

[Kurovski]

96. Hehehe...he looks adorable.

So chocolaty! I think I want to munch on some of that artificial freedom.

I'll take what I can get these days. Voting for a president in America is like going to a food bank. :hi: :hug:

[Swamp Rat]

97. mmmmmeeetoooo!

:9

:hi::hug:

Our diet is so much more healthy than the repuke diet. :D

[Kurovski]

101. So THAT'S how they make that manwich crap.

Yeesh.

[Swamp Rat]

102. It's what's in Huckaburgers... it's got electrolytes.

:puke:

[Eurobabe]

99. I can indeed laugh at myself and Joe

but I loves me some Count Barackula. :rofl: :spray:

[Swamp Rat]

100. Ok, one more just for you.... in case you've really got the munchies.

:9

[Kurovski]

103. Does Hillary have a Serial yet?

I want to eat her!

[Swamp Rat]

104. She's more like sauerkraut.

:D But you can start with this:

[Kurovski]

105. Looks like a lot of carbon there.

Good for the bowels.

Does it mix well with electrolytes, I wonder?

[Eurobabe]

107. Make that marmite

ever tasted that shiite? Blech!

[Eurobabe]

106. SwampRat you are an equal opportunity offender

I like that! :hi:

[Coexist]

113. Swamprat - you are the best

all the graphics you posted in this thread are awesome - as usual!

[Eurobabe]

91. Kick and Rec

:kick:

[Algorem]

98. wow Kos really is a hyperventilating bag of hot cowpies..

Kos blos on.and on and on...

i guess he'll be packing his helmet for the inevitable Denver riots that Hillary is fomenting.

[List left]

109. Me Me Me .. it's all about Me. Don't listen to anyone who says

Me Me Me... it's all about Me. Don't listen to anyone who says who says it is about us.

[saltpoint]

114. Kos has this one exactly right.

Clinton has let the nomination slip through her fingers and now she's just muddying the stream.

Shame on her.

[DrZeeLit]

115. Even if she did nothing more than support Obama in this latest attack, I

might at least have some respect left for her.

Has she?
I haven't read anything that reflects she's supporting fellow Democratic candidates against the Republican smears, even if she is running against him. This is something I do not understand.

Are we in this together at some point?
Can that point start BEFORE the nominee?

What is this country coming to when all we see and hear is ad hominem attacks.
No wonder... crap has taken over logic.

Which brings me to... I can do the math. That's logical.
If I can, she can.
And if she can, why doesn't she stop this mess?
That's the question.
Why?

[action2008]

116. Why is Kos defending Hillary? Is he double talking?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/14/15257/1046
quote:
"It wasn't just possible to support the resolution without supporting Bush's war--avoiding war was the specific reason Bush gave to support the resolution. There's nothing incoherent about Hillary's position. Bush blew it. The resolution had the effect (getting inspectors back in) that Hillary had intended. She was right. W was wrong.

(Oh, and when people says "Hillary voted for the war"--it's a lie.)"

[BlueJac]

122. Billary will never quit, she thinks it belongs to her.

[Why Syzygy]

123. K/R

[FreeStateofWinston]

128. Awesome post !!!!!!

:thumbsup: :applause: :patriot:

[bpeale]

132. actually, they are BOTH willing to destroy the party in their quest for power

BOTH ... obama & clinton. please. let's call it as it is. try to be real on this one point.

[loudsue]

133. Hillary is DLC. It has always been the goal of the DLC to break up the

Democratic party. They have been doing a republican-lite agenda since Bill Clinton pushed NAFTA through. The DLCers don't believe in the platform of the traditional Democratic party.

She's just doing in this election what the entire DLC has done from day one.

[Lerkfish]

146. well, technically, they've wanted to TRANSFORM the party into republican lite

and shame the "looney left" into toeing the line or getting out.

that's the DLC agenda.

Learn it

Know it.

[biglefthander]

134. K&R

n/t :-)

[snooper2]

137. I may be stupid,

but what does KOS stand for?

[InsultComicDog]

144. nickname of Markos Moulitsas

owner of the DailyKos blog ( http://www.dailykos.com )

[Tatiana]

151. Kos is absolutely correct. n/t