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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:35 PM
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I have discovered who was behind breaking PastorGate!!
Using several sophistcated Internets Tubes (one an amazing new invention called "The Google") it turns out that some mysterious never before heard of clandestine group calling themselves "ABC News" is the Obama Hating right wing freeper pissypants behind this non-story. And it seems that as far back as 2006 (!!!) a Hillary Clinton surrogate called "Wikipedia" was in on the conspiracy to bring Obama down!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1
Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.


Pastor Jeremiah Wright has been an entry on Wiki since 2006!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright
"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied."

But don't worry, for Obama has ruled:
Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."
And all shall be well in world again.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:38 PM
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1. Not much coverage on it today, I think it is passing quickly. can you say.. BLIP?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:40 PM
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3. It's just heating up and will come to the forefront again tomorrow after Obamas speech.
Just the way the media works.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:42 PM
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9. I don't think so. The economic news, the new N.Y. Gov....plenty of distractions out there.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:31 AM
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47. We (Clinton supporters) WON'T let it die. Sorry, that's politics.
When you got the goods on someone, you use it to your full advantage. Kind of like Obama supporters milked the Ferraro thing for all it was worth.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:12 AM
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51. Some people keep on kicking that dog, even though it was dead days ago. Keep kicking that dead dog.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:09 PM
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55. Why did Obama make a "big speech" about the "dead dog" today?
If it's dead, why the desperation?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:17 AM
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57. ...
:kick:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:41 AM
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64. And, that's why, if Hillary gets the nomination she will lose the
General Election. Just keep ticking off the black vote. What a winning strategy for Democrats! :sarcasm:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:47 PM
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16. Nah, they squeezed all the blood out of that rock.
Dead-enders like Hannity and BillO may keep railing about it for a month, but they have no sense as to when a story is past its expiration date.

Best find a new controversy. This one's been beaten to death.

- as
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:02 PM
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23. while it's true it will be a big counterpoint to how it is reported after that
instead of a one-sided charge, it will be reported along with Obama's first response and probably how he addressed it in his big speech.

while it certainly is a negative, he seems to be mitigating the impact.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:45 AM
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65. LOL....
...now that is a funny post. It is over and Obama's lead is again climbing.

Handshake snub, Rezko, NAFTA, Muslim photo and pastor-gate...the shit just keeps coming from the RW which at this point in time pretty much includes the Hillary supporters who have joined forces with the evil ones.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:40 PM
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4. I like to read about at the groc. check out counter this am.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:40 PM
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5. they are friggin desperate aren't they Johnny?
they are REALLY trying hard with this Pastor thing and it's already gone
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:52 PM
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18. If you think this is already gone, you're not doing your candidate any favors.
My candidate (Edwards) didn't make the cut, but I will enthusiastically support WHOMEVER our party nominates. If Senator Obama garners the nod, the Repukes will try to beat him to death with this bullshit. We need to be ready to respond, and the last time I looked, hiding your head in the sand is a particularly ineffective form of response.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:04 PM
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24. Edwards has been my candidate since around 2002
did you miss Obama speaking about it 11 Bravo-you know on every cable channel on Friday?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:45 PM
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14. Obama annouced today due to PastorGate he's making a major speech tomorrow.
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 03:48 PM by MethuenProgressive
Didn't you see the carved tablets?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:07 PM
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54. In "Big Speech" Obama refuses to disown Pastor "God Damn America" Wright.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5135895&mesg_id=5135895
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:22 PM
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58. ...
:hi:
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:54 PM
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30. Did you miss CNN, MSNBC, Fox today?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:57 AM
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50. It was on GMA again and when I flipped to MSNBC it was on for 2 segments.
Slow blip there...
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:39 PM
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2. I'm shocked!
You read other sites besides newsmax? :wow:

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:40 PM
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6. Posted this thread while Hannity was on commercial break.
...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:41 PM
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7. This is one of the first articles used as a source:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:43 PM
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12. Ebony magazine was in on it too, eh?
The media wants to bring Obama down!!



:sarcasm:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:44 PM
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34. Did I say that?
No.

I just went to the wiki articles, and searched for when the wiki page was started.
It referenced that site.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:01 AM
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45. No Tabitha, you did not. I was making light of the way "the media" is being attacked over this.
I apologize if anyone in anyway read what I typed and thought ill of you.
My fault entirely as I rushed to hit send with something I mistakenly thought clever.
Very sorry.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:41 PM
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8. Lame.
:thumbsdown:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:29 PM
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25. That's not a very enlightened term for a progressive to be using.
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 04:32 PM by MethuenProgressive
Please try considering taking speech that demeans the physically challenged out of your DU vocabulary.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:42 PM
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10. Heh, heh.
Too much reasoning, mate. They won't listen.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:46 PM
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15. Yep.
It's easier to stick with the fairy tale, from the looks of the early attacks on ABC News, Google, and Wikipedia.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:57 AM
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52. .
:kick:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:30 AM
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53. and bunted...
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 11:30 AM by MethuenProgressive
:kick:
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:43 PM
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11. I have been getting emails about this Church since the very begining, Media a long time picking up
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 03:44 PM by surfermaw
Heard this in the first weeks of his campaign, a little different but the same meaning, however my comment is I don't like every thing my ministers says, My pastor condemned Bill Clinton from the pulpit, which he shouldn't have done, I can't remember his exact word, he said after Monika the next Sunday Morning any one that voted for Obama was worse than I can't remember his exact words, I am in North Carolinas 10 district wich is about 90% Republican, my husband hasn't put his foot in the door of that church since.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:53 PM
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19. That's not an usual story, I'm afraid
The pulpit is too heady a trip for some.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:44 PM
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13. Good, now find Clintons' Tax Returns and White House Archives
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. Would you like a link to The Google and ABC News?
www.google.com www.abcnews.com
Enjoy!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 AM
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49. (maybe the Google ate him!)
:crickets:
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:49 PM
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17. nice digging. how many Clinton skeletons did you have to unearth on the way to this nugget?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:55 PM
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21. See post 20
Thanks for the kick!
:kick:
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:56 PM
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22. think about post #17
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:37 PM
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26. I did. Years and years ago when it first appeared on Drudge,
You need to hit "refresh" when you log back on to his site.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:43 PM
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27. Ever heard of this?

Blowback excerpted from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/Blowback_BCJ.html

p8
The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.

p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States drives the use of transnational actors that is, terrorists from one country attacking in another."
The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a CIA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid for future forms of blowback.
------------------------------------------
Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
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"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States. But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry, for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowback. Empire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.


The American Empire: 1992 to present
from the book
Killing Hope
by William Blum
2004 edition
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed

And that is the way the empire grows-a base in every neighborhood, ready to be mobilized to put down any threat to imperial rule, real or imagined. Fifty-eight years after world War II ended, the United States still has major bases in Germany and Japan; fifty ears after the end of the Korean War, tens of thousands of American armed forces continue to be stationed in South Korea.
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before," US Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in February 2002. Later that year, the US Defense Department announced: "The United States Military is currently deployed to more locations then it has been throughout history."


A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:45 PM
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28. Or this?
May 16, 1997
Lasting Legacy

Beginning in 1932, the federal government sponsored a study to examine the impact of syphilis involving black men. The experiment went on until 1972 without the test subjects' knowledge, but no President had apologized to the volunteers and their families until President Clinton did so today. Following a background report on the experiment, Charlayne Hunter-Gault looks at what the legacy of Tuskegee.

Unanswered questions.

DR. STEPHEN THOMAS: I think you have hit the nail on the head. That is a critical question that was really not answered today, nor was it answered in the HBO movie, Miss Evers Boys.The common view in the black community is that the men were injected by the government doctors. And that is why you see the kind of anger, and that has been repeated by Minister Louis Farrakhan and others that really are voicing a common folkmyth in the black community. But in my work and in working with the literature I have found absolutely no evidence that the men were intentionally injected by the government doctors. And maybe we can clear that up right now on this show

GrayFRED GRAY: Well, we made a thorough investigation of it, and we found no evidence--the men had syphilis--there's no question about it. We found no evidence whatsoever that the government inflicted them with syphilis. The tragedy is bad enough, and we don't need to make it any worse, but there is absolutely no credence to the fact that they were injected with syphilis.

CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: Mr. Shaw said today--we just heard a little while ago that the damage done to society perhaps is deeper than the wounds that were inflicted on them. You've had some experience with that, haven't you?

DR. STEPHEN THOMAS: Over the past seven years Dr. Sandra Quinn at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and I have traced the roots of the Tuskegee legacy to the AIDS epidemic. Many African Americans believe that AIDS is a form of genocide, and their fear and suspicion of the health care delivery system is directly related to the history of the Tuskegee legacy.

CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: They believe that the syphilis was injected into the men, and now they believe that AIDS is something that has been put into the black community?

Dr. ThomasDR. STEPHEN THOMAS: Another example of efforts to eliminate black people. And it extends even beyond AIDS. African Americans are under-represented as organ donors, under-represented as individuals who donate blood, and this legacy in the black community is now a metaphor for all of the abuses of biomedical research that violate human rights. That's why what happened today was so important.

CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: But just to stay on the impact for a moment, does this retard your efforts to deal with AIDS and black people to treat them, or to do research, or--

Building a new trust.

DR. STEPHEN THOMAS: If we start talking after today it very well could retard. But what I heard today from the President and from the men was this is a new beginning, and if we find a way to talk about the role of race and medicine and science and continue this dialogue, we can have a new beginning and start rebuilding that trust.

CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: But up to now the mistrust is there.

DR. STEPHEN THOMAS: It is there and well documented.

CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: Mr. Gray, the damage to the families, is that a significant part of this legacy?

DiscussionFRED GRAY: I think that is part of it, and one of the first things the Health Service did when the study ended was to have those families who--the participants who were syphilitic to be examined and those who tested positively were placed in the health care program. But let me hasten and say I think it would be a disservice to these men if we end up saying that AIDS is a direct result of the Tuskegee syphilis study. I don't think that's true. I don't think there's any basis for those facts. I think AIDS is bad, and I think there's room for people to have the distrust, but I don't think we really should connect the two, and I think a part of our responsibility is to keep the record straight and let our people know it's bad, but we need to do something about it.

Hunter-GaultCHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: Dr. Thomas, could this happen again in this day?

DR. STEPHEN THOMAS: Some people believe that it already has. And the connection has less to do with the biology of the two diseases and more to do with people's response to it, and that response is that today we know how to stop the spread of AIDS. Today we have new drugs that extend life, and African Americans are not benefitting. And the legacy of Tuskegee may be one of those factors.

CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: Well, it looks like the chapter is not quite closed.

--------------------or this?-------------------


1931 - Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

1932 - The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 - The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-stricken black populations.

1940 - Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

1942 - Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.

1943 - In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.

1944 - U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.

1945 - Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.

1945 - "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.

1946 - Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals.

1947 - Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.

1947 - The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.

1950 - Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.

1950 - In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 - Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

1953 - U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

1953 - Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1953 - CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.

1955 - The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1956 - U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1960 - The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the European population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.

1965 - Project CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.

1965 - Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.

1966 - CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.

1966 - U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1967 - CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.

1968 - CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.

1969 - Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.

1970 - Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.

1970 - United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.

1975 - The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977 - Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978 - Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981 - First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.

1985 - According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986 - According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.

1986 - A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987 - Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990 - More than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994 - With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.

1994 - Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995 - U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.

1995 - Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

1996 - Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.

1997 - Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/humanguineapigs


Withholding the Cure (AIDS)
by N A Siegal
The Progressive magazine. September 2003

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Health/Withholding_Cu...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:52 PM
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29. Or this...

http://www.siahkal.com/english/on%20prison.htm
A Report on the Injustice System in the USA
Published in Payame Fadaee, Spring edition 2002

The US ruling class has established the largest forced labour sweatshop system in the world. There are now approximately 2 million inmates in US prisons compared to 1 million in 1994. These prisoners have become a source of billions of dollars in profits. In fact, the US has imprisoned a half million more people than in China which has 5 times the population. California alone has the biggest prison system in the Western industrialized world. It has more prisoners than France, Germany, Great Britain, Japan and Holland combined while these countries have 11 times the population of California. According to official figures, Iran incarcerates 220 citizens per 100,000, compared to US figures of 727. Overall, the total "criminal justice" system in the US, including those in prison, on parole and on probation, is approaching 6,000,000. In the last 20 years, 1000 new prisons have been built; yet they hold double their capacity.


Prisoners, 75% of who are either Black or Hispanic, are forced to work for 20 cents an hour, some even as low as 75 cents a day. They produce everything from eyewear and furniture to vehicle parts and computer software. This has lead to thousands of layoffs and the lowering of the overall wage scale of the entire working class. At Soledad Prison in California, prisoners produce work-shirts exported to Asia as well as El Salvadoran license plates more cheaply than in El Salvador, one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. A May/99 report in the Wall Street Journal summarized that while “more expensive private-sector workers may lose their jobs to prison labour, assigning work to the most cost-efficient producer is good for the economy.” The February/00 Wall Street Journal reported “Prisoners are excluded from employment calculation. And since most inmates are economically disadvantaged and unskilled, jailing so many people has effectively taken a big block of the nation's least-employable citizens out of the equation.” In other words, this is reported as a workable solution against the threat of potential rebellions of the masses of the unemployed. Many Fortune 500 corporations use prison labour to extract super-profits while these victims suffer from extreme racism, beatings, torture, sexual exploitation and death by their guards. One example is at California's Corcoran State Prison where officials staged gladiator days in which rival gang members were encouraged to fight while staff members placed bets on the outcome which, often ended with inmates being shot. The multi-billion dollar prison-industrial complex has everything from its own trade shows, conventions and web sites to mail-order catalogues and outfits selling shackles for juveniles, body orifice scanners, etc. This industry even has its own Yellow Pages-and all of this is based mostly on non-violent offenders who, by European capitalist standards, should not be in prison at all.

Federal Prison Industries (FPI) whose trade name is UNICOR exports prisoner-made products as well as selling them to all federal agencies as required by federal law. FPI manufactures over 150 different products in 99 factories in 64 prisons (with 19 new ones on the way) in 30 states. It is the federal government's 35th largest contractor, just behind IBM and is exempt from any federal workplace regulations. When prisoners refused, for health reasons, to rip up asbestos tiles when renovating an Army medical center, they were given the choice of either following orders or being put in solitary confinement. In January/00, 4,000 inmates at New York State's Sing Sing and Green Haven prisons were placed in "lock-down" for 2 weeks when 85 prisoners were accused of "plotting a strike". The 85 were dispersed to other prisons and those found with leaflets calling for a strike were put in solitary. FPI's prison workforce produces 98% of the entire US market for equipment assembly services, 93% of paint and artist brushes, 92% of all kitchen assembly services, 46% of all personal armour, 36% of all household furnishings and 30% of all headset/microphone/speakers, etc. RW. Feb/00 FPI consistently advertises for companies "interested in leasing a ready-to-run prison industry" especially following congressional testimony in 1996 that reported a "pent-up demand for prison labour." Meanwhile, shareholders profiting from prison labour consistently lobby for the legislation of longer prison sentences in order to expand their workforce. At least 37 states have legalized the contracting out of prison labour to private corporations that have already set up operations inside state prisons. Prisons' business clients include: IBM, Boeing, Motorola Microsoft, AT&T Wireless, Texas Instruments, Dell, Compaq, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, Nortel, Lucent Technologies, 3Com, Intel, Northern Telecom, TWA, Nordstrom, Revlon, Macys, Pierre Cardin, Target Stores, etc.



The 700% increase of prisoners in the US over the last 25 years coincides with the framing of tens of thousands of Black youth by corrupt racist police and a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (William Rehnquist) who believes that segregated schools are constitutional. The new Attorney General, John Ashcroft under the ‘elected’ Bush Administration, possesses the same white supremacist leaning. The inherent racism of the justice system is apparent from the following statistics: both violent crimes and the use of illegal drugs are the same among Blacks as among Whites, nevertheless, Black men are 5 times more likely to be arrested for drug offences. Presently 1 out of every 4 Black men in the US is likely to be imprisoned at some time during his life. They are imprisoned at more than 4 times the rate of Black men in South Africa where there they constitute 75% of the male population. Hispanics are jailed for drug offences at 81 times the rate of Whites convicted of the same offences. In California since 1993, the Latino population has risen by 2% but the State's Latino male prison population rose by 100%.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:04 PM
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31. Thanks for the bumps with your conspiracy theories about HIV and 9/11!
So Clinton flew robot controled AIDS loaded planes into the Twin Towers to keep the class war going?



Ok...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:32 PM
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32. you don't like to read eh?
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 05:37 PM by stillcool47
no where in anything I posted was the name Clinton mentioned...except in his being the first President to apologize for the Tuskagee experiment. I see you have no problem with the huge explosion of our Prison Industry. You have no problem with our foreign policies and how they are affecting millions of people through-out the world. You have no problem with cause and effect regarding those policies. And yet a few excerpts from an elderly black preacher sends you through the roof with righteous indignation. Interesting.

*** being an avid reader myself, I love to supply information in vacuous posts...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:44 PM
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33. then go out into GD and post it. as it does NOT involve Hillary.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:50 PM
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36. Hillary?
I thought the OP was about Reverend Wright? You know..9/11 and Blowback. Prisons and Black men. AIDS, the Black Community, and Bill Clinton's apology for Tuskagee. I just posted a little information. Sorry. I thought people liked to be informed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:51 PM
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37. bye
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:52 PM
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39. Bye....
:nopity:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:45 PM
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35. it belongs
in GD if they want to discuss it.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:51 PM
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38. Why?
The OP is about "Pastor-Gate". Is no relevant information allowed?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:52 PM
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40. I like MP comment to you.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:53 PM
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41. No Doubt...
So I guess you have a problem with Chalmers Johnson as well?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:00 PM
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42. MY focus is on the OP. bye
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:14 PM
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56. LOL! n/t
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finalnews Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:41 PM
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43. Funny yet important point
Some have blamed Clinton, without basis, of starting this scandal, when it was in fact ABC News that started it. Or better yet, it was Jeremiah Wright.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:58 AM
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44. Welcome to DU!
You hit the nail Wright on the head!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:26 PM
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59. Seems your pet troll had an accident.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:24 AM
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62. What are you talking about?
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:06 AM
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46. Try searching the archives of freeperville, the place that is not to be named, and their
sister site, stormfront for where these videos broke. Nice try, but your research was poorly designed.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:40 AM
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48. "An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church"
You are being lied to by people who want to blame Obama's 20 year close relationship with his spirtual mentor and role model on FOX, izzy.
Don't you even wonder why the Obama Camp wants you to believe that lie?
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:35 PM
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60. 2007- Some black leaders- Obama camp distance itself from from Wright in fear of criticism
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:38 PM by chocome
The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., senior pastor of the popular Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and spiritual mentor to Senator Barack Obama, thought he knew what he would be doing on Feb. 10, the day of Senator Obama’s presidential announcement.

“Fifteen minutes before Shabbos I get a call from Barack,” Mr. Wright said in an interview on Monday, recalling that he was at an interfaith conference at the time. “One of his members had talked him into uninviting me,” Mr. Wright said, referring to Mr. Obama’s campaign advisers.

Some black leaders are questioning Mr. Obama’s decision to distance his campaign from Mr. Wright because of the campaign’s apparent fear of criticism over Mr. Wright’s teachings, which some say are overly Afrocentric to the point of excluding whites.

Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said the campaign disinvited Mr. Wright because it did not want the church to face negative attention. Mr. Wright did however, attend the announcement and prayed with Mr. Obama beforehand.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/us/politics/06obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


-----------------

Obama has known about Wrights comments for years, and never ever before taken a stand.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:16 PM
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61. That Times story was only two months after Obama announced.
And he was still 'playing dumb' just days ago...
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:36 AM
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63. oh nooooooooes. Hillary did it nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:36 PM
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66. Yep. She drove the Obamas to the church and wrote the Pastor's sermons too.
And then leaked 'ed to FOX.
:sarcasm:
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