So O is gonna give his speech on RACE tomorrow huh?

[boston bean]

It's gonna be his Kennedy speech.

He sure is full of himself. Today he wouldn't take questions about Wright and told all the reporters to listen to his speech tomorrow. He can just speak and no one is allowed further questions. Who does that remind you of?

Well, obviously, he has taken the Ted Kennedy endorsement a little to far. He is not JFK and this position he finds himself in is much different than the one JFK was in.

Obama can't preach about race to the American people, when his own preacher of twenty years, wants to damn America. Never mind the "riding dirty sermon" or the disgusting Natalee Holloway comments, or the disgusting comments about Hillary or his hate for white people, or whatever the RW decides to bring out about him tomorrow or in the months ahead.

He must think the American people are stupid and that he is a gift to us. He ought to be pleading for forgiveness, never mind preaching or lecturing us on race, when he sat in a church for twenty years where separatism not unity was preached.

He wants the American people to believe him and believe his words, never mind his past actions. Well O, just words? They meant something before and now they don't. You can't have it everywhich way to Sunday. So stop thinking you're entitled to our trust.

[Breeze54]

Obama answered questions about Wright on PBS just now.

He said that Wright's comments were stupid.

[anamandujano]

96. Just watched it. It couldn't have been any flimsier.

Gwen Ifil helped him spread the issue equally between Wright and Ferraro.

Obama campaign calls racist on one comment of Ferraro, Wright vids explode on the scene, Obama equates the two and thinks it's over.

[izzybeans]

1. Link to where he said it was his Kennedy speech. Do it or delete your bull shit op.

Your false outrage is showing.

[elixir]

111. Why don't you stamp your feet.

[izzybeans]

123. Why not try honesty?

[Johnny__Motown]

2. Maybe you should listen to the speech before you pass judgement... Prejudice.. against it?

[Umbram]

3. Let the flamebait die. (nt)

[polichick]

4. Do you lie awake at night thinking this stuff up??

[CreekDog]

17. if she does lie awake thinking this stuff up

she doesn't lie awake thinking very long. :rofl:

[NDambi]

66. Lmao...yeah the sheep come quick...ha ha..wait wait wait zzzzzzzzzz lol

[Name removed]

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[LSparkle]

5. If he answers questions and leaks his speech, what's the use of giving it?

As another poster noted, he HAS answered questions today about Wright and was on ALL cable shows
on Friday night. He's not avoiding the press; he's just holding on to some of his comments for
the speech tomorrow (not stepping on his own lead).

[cali]

6. Yawn. you are nothing if not totally predictable

[boston bean]

7. Thanks cupcake! Atleast you know who I am. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. Imagine 4 years of that guy apologizing and explaining how he didn't

say what we thought he said.

[maddiejoan]

14. hammer-nail-head

[meow mix]

119. Ignored. bye.

fu

[TwilightGardener]

19. WTF? Are you confusing Wright with Obama?

[cali]

22. What I can't imagine is 4 years of hilly shrieking

and lying.

[The_Casual_Observer]

38. I didn't ask you. I don't care what you think.

[KAZ]

52. Uh, yes you did. You posted on a public board, which implies..

.. an invitation to response.

[cali]

73. tough. this is a politcial posting board

And what you want is totally irrelevant.

[elixir]

112. I love when we piss off first and make you name use your bad words.

[DerekJ]

9. What's the point of this post exactly?

:shrug:

[malik flavors]

10. haha, listen to how bitter this guy is. Chillout already. He answered Wright questions on News hour

So I don't know where you're getting this, "he won't take any questions and says just listen to my speach" line. He's been answering questions on race and wright all day.

[boston bean]

18. here you go!

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obama_wait_until_tuesday_speec.html

He holds a press conference and won't answer questions regarding Wright, just today! Saying they will have to wait until they hear his speech tomorrow.

Obama: Wait until Tuesday for more on Rev. Wright

MONACA, Pa — Barack Obama avoided questions on the teachings of his long-time pastor in a press conference here, promising to address racially tinged comments made by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright in a speech on race in America Obama plans to deliver Tuesday in Philadelphia.

Obama on Friday denounced as “inflammatory and appalling” comments Wright made that were circulated on video clips. Among them, Wright said blacks should sing “God damn American” instead of “God bless America.” Obama said he was not present when Wright made those comments.

But reporters at the press conference sought to probe Obama on his understanding of Wright’s views about white America and why he chose to raise his children at Trinty United Church of Christ, where Wright was pastor until recently.

Obama has had a long and close relationship with Wright, crediting the pastor with leading him to embrace Christianity and taking the title for his book “The Audacity of Hope” from one of Wright’s sermons. Obama was married by Wright and his children were baptized by Wright.

At a rally shortly before his press conference today, Obama uncharacteristically ended his remarks with the phrase “God bless America.”

[elixir]

113. No, he takes another photo op to make a flowery speech about race. Will he call hillary a n***** in

his speech? Will he call us the United STates of KKK? Will he imply that Natalie Holloway was giving it up? Will he call us blue eyed devils?

Sounds ugly, doesn't it? Well this situation is ugly and it's not going away. He can talk all he wants and say he's addressing this "head on" but there's no way to diffuse this bomb short of Rev. Wrong prostrating himself in front of the american people renouncing his own comments. should Obama make it to the GE, these vids will be used against him day after day and people will not think "Oh, I'm not concerned because Obama told me he really doesn't agree w/ this crazy angry, white bashing pastor that he considers a mentor".

Yeah, good job guys. Your killing our chances in November.

[zanne]

11. I can't believe that people on DU are acting like racists.

I never thought I'd see this. You guys sound worse than those right-wing gasbags on the radio. I'll never see the people of DU the same way. We've met the enemy, and it is US.

[boston bean]

23. So easy to say, call people racists. That is a disgusting tactic. nt

[zanne]

53. No; racism is disgusting and I never thought I'd see it here.

Congratulations to all of you racists out there. You're doing more to hurt the Democratic Party than any KKK member ever could.

[anamandujano]

78. You call racist when anyone speaks against the empty lying suit.

And yet, you interpret Wright's remarks as harmless truth.

[zanne]

85. I never even mentioned pastor Wright...

Please take the time to read and look inside yourself. Ask yourself some hard questions about your attitudes about race.

[anamandujano]

97. There have been a million threads excusing Wright.

You may have read your cohort's comments and added your own. It's hard to keep track of all you jerks.

You look inside yourself, bullshitter.

[elixir]

116. Yeehaa! Dean Scream.

[zanne]

122. I'm shocked at the responses to racism here.

This is DU. Since when do we call someone who is opposed to racism a "bullshitter"? I hope we find the old DU, because if we don't, we're no better than the freepers.

[madrchsod]

95. you noticed?

[elixir]

115. Oh, shut up. face the reality of what your candidate has wrought. If he had lead a

campaign of hope and change we wouldn't have to worry about this anger and racism from his pastor.

[2rth2pwr]

41. what's racist about the OP? nt

[zanne]

51. Criticizing a black man for giving a speech on race...

I don't give a good fuck who you support; there's no way to dress that up. It's racism that you don't want to see.

[2rth2pwr]

61. You are part of the problem. nt

[zanne]

65. I was a part of the Civil Rights Movement.

I know from experience that people like YOU are the problem.

[NDambi]

68. You are a good person...your candle burns brightly..don't let the haters get you down...

[zanne]

82. Thank you for the kind words, NDambi.

I'm getting out of GDP now.

[NDambi]

102. quite welcome

[2rth2pwr]

100. Was being the operative term. nt

[Forkboy]

101. You come across like a plate of beans navigating their way through a cow's digestive system.

[elixir]

117. Translation: old, white liberal.

[Forkboy]

120. Now you guys mock people for fighting for civil rights?

What the fuck is the matter with you people?

Since when were old white liberals not a good thing? Old, young, black, white, gay, straight...who gives a fuck?

You people suck major quantities of ass. :puke:

[Voice for Peace]

64. thanks pogo

[ariesgem]

84. The only good thing that I get out of these racist threads are that

they attract like flies to flypaper a good number of bigots on DU - all on one thread. It makes it easy for me to build up my ignore list by putting a bunch of them on ignore in one clean shot.

[CitizenRob]

12. Ugh. I don't want to be reminded that he's black.

[hiaasenrocks]

13. That clown is finished, one way or another, sooner or in November.

That's what his supporters get. They've been floating on words (no action, no record, no experience, nothing) and now the words of Obama's chosen religious leader will tear him down.

See ya, Barack.

[NDambi]

69. ha ha guess what if there's no Obama McCain is Prez..guess thats okay with you...hater

[anamandujano]

94. Hillary will be president.

[NDambi]

104. lol

[CreekDog]

15. you're an expert on what he thinks (in your dreams)

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

16. Obama didn't say the words--he is not responsible for another man's words, only his own.

[boston bean]

20. he is responsible for his own actions, Let me ask you this? What if a presidential candidate

a white male, attended a white separatist church for 20 years. Would that be questionable?

[hedgehog]

27. The two situations are not mirror images of each other. Face it,

a black pastor speaking to a mostly black congrgation is speaking to people who face discrimination. It may not be as bad as it was 30 years ago, but it's still there.

[boston bean]

30. I refuse to believe all black churches are like this. You seem to want to broad brush that.

This is a radical church and Obama knew it. Even in his book he admitted it.

[izzybeans]

34. If his church was say

whiter and less animated would this make you less scared.

[boston bean]

37. I'm not scared at all, I am disgusted. nt

[izzybeans]

40. That's even more interesting now.

[NDambi]

74. I'm black and I've vistied and been to many black churches, and you'd be surprised at the

rhetoric in sermons by the preachers... it all depends on what's going on too.. Rodney King, MLK day, Black History Month, Jena 6 and Obama running for Pres..plenty of fire, brimstone and radical talk going...believe me.

Doesn't mean I come out of the services hating or blaming white people for the ills of the world, the black community or my life.

[boston bean]

76. Then why is it preached to begin with if it means nothing? nt

[NDambi]

80. It's actually quite a bit historical...

[jackson_dem]

108. They aren't. 58% of blacks and 74-78% of whites thought Wright was wrong

[TwilightGardener]

43. He doesn't belong to a separatist church. The UCC is a predominantly white

mainstream church. And Obama's pastor is not self-defined as a "separatist", but as a black-liberation theologian:

From Wiki: "Black Liberation theology is theology from the perspective of an oppressed people. It seeks to interpret the gospel of Jesus against the backdrop of historical and contemporary racism. The message of black theology is that the African American struggle for liberation is consistent with the gospel--every theological statement must be consistent with, and perpetuate, the goals of liberation.

The theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage—social, political, economic and religious. This liberation involves empowerment and seeks the right of self-definition, self-affirmation and self-determination.

Methodist James Cone is still considered its leading theologian, though now there are many scholars who have contributed a great deal to the field. One of its major concerns is with the perceived historic and present racism in "Western civilizations" (especially within Christendom) and the ways in which Jesus urged his disciples to seek freedom for all people.

As with all liberation theologies, black theology focuses on those who are perceived as oppressed and/or poor. Through its intentionally particular lens, black theology seeks to contribute to the liberation of black peoples."


So, he preaches as though black people are still victims of racism (and they are), and uses the Gospel to identify ways for black people to help themselves.

Not an offensive church or theology at all, IMO, even if you disagree that blacks should have a black-centered theology--and although he's said some offensive things, Obama did not.

[izzybeans]

91. This person is only here to stir up trouble.

[votenovember2008]

45. Good Point

I have been wondering the same thing? This is going to be a sticky wicket for sure if BO doesn't get a grip on this. It's like a train that has lost it's brakes!

[indimuse]

21. k&r!

!

[stop the bleeding]

24. You need to leave the house

all this puter time is not good for you.

[boston bean]

32. I just got back to my house! but thanks for the concern. nt

[stop the bleeding]

39. you're welcome! and you need more than concern :) nt

[NDambi]

75. lol

[against all enemies]

25. Caroline Kennedy said Obama inspires people like her father did.

I guess she's not a Mass Demm anymore, you represent the Kennedy Family more than her, at least in your mind.

[boston bean]

28. If she knew about this, and gave her endorsement, she should be ashamed. I can't believe she knew

but I do believe Ted knew.

[hedgehog]

47. Maybe Caroline is familiar enough with the history of the Irish in America

to have some empathy for the current state of the black community.

[against all enemies]

57. So this is all about "what you believe", is there a WGAS forum.

[laugle]

26. Why the hell can't he

answer questions? His answer is always to give some prepared speech, probably not even written by him. The same thing GW idiot has done for 8 years. What arrogance, people are not stupid, you can't defend the indefensable, so you give another speech!!

[TwilightGardener]

48. What did he do on TV all Friday night, on all networks?

[boston bean]

62. There are more questions, you don't call a press conference and then refuse to answer questions. nt

[laugle]

70. Not enough!

[janetblond]

72. Obama owes NO APOLOGIES for what someone else said!

None!
He has no control over what a minister says.
Two weeks ago the right-wing white evangelical Pastor Hagee called Catholics whores and pagans, and John McCain THANKED him for his support. This got ONE day of media attention.
Yet, here it is FIVE days later, and we're STILL on Pastor Jeremiah whatever his name is ... because he's black.
I'm so sick ... I mean SICK of this media obsession with race.
I COULD SCREAM!
STOP IT!
black, brown, blue, purple, pink, green, white .. Who gives a rats ass!!
What about Obama's BRAINS and IDEAS????? Anyone interested in that?
Magna Cum Laude Harvard Law School Grad.
President of the Harvard Law Review
Professor of CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ....
Equal Rights attorney ....
Community Activist
State Senator
Tax Cuts for the middle class ...
Educational Benefits for children of the middle class ...
Insourcing jobs BACK into America .. the jobs Bill Clinton signed away with NAFTA.
Anyone interested in that?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Everyone prefers race-baiting.
What a sick bunch of loonies!
For the 1/2 WHITE Obama, his ethnicity was a NON-issue until Bill Clinton, Geri Ferraro and the media made his 1/2 "blackness" an issue.
I find the whole PETTY thing disgusting!
The poor man is trying to UNITE the country, and all anyone can say is ....
"shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh .. he's 1/2 -b-b-b-b-b-l-a-c-k.
Tell ya' what.
Go ahead and vote by race or gender. See where it gets you.
Go ahead and vote for the NAFTA-loving Hillary and your college educated children will be washing dishes in a Pizza Parlor because all the good jobs have been outsourced to India! Or you can vote for McCain and send your kids to Iraq for 10 years.
And while YOUR kids are dying for nothing, remember the FIRST 4,000 Americans who sacrificed their lives first ... for a WHITE man named Jorge B^sh.
Then, get a grip on reality, you race obsessed morons!
Geesh!

[TwilightGardener]

99. Good rant, thanks!

[peaches2003]

29. What he should do in his speech

is stand there and read nothing but quotes from the RW evangelical pastors such as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, this Hagee idiot and so many more. Then he should ask where the condemnations of these 'pastors' are from the Repug candidates, evangelical politicians like Bush and all their church members. Didn't they all rush to speak at Bob Jones Univ in SC? Fanatics on both sides of the religious spectrum are disgusting.

[haymakeragain]

31. In poor taste, but I gotta say, right on message.

Not surprising though.

[shayes51]

35. great post

[Window]

36. Why do you hate Black people????

[totodeinhere]

42. Could you please cut all the crap about Obama?

He hasn't even given the speech yet and you are already bashing him. At least let him give the speech first.

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[Warren Stupidity]

46. WTF are you going to do in august?

You have dug yourself a huge hole. How are you going to climb out of it?

[cottonseed]

55. There will be one more lady alone on a park bench talking to herself.

That's what's going to happen in August.

[loveangelc]

49. you're just upset that this has the potential to do him a great deal of good.

BOO HOOOOO

[Major Hogwash]

59. Well, Hillary can't give a speech on unity now and have anyone believe it.

Expect maybe 2 or 3 people on Faux Snooze.
Like Hannity Insanity, Bill O'Reallylies a Lot, and Geraldine Ferraro.

[cottonseed]

50. Your posts are getting boring.

You hate Obama. I get it. I don't think tomorrow's speech if for you anyways. It'll be about getting past petty politicking. The press is slowly starting to get this. I liked what Frank Caffertey had to say about the issue today. This Wright thing is getting old, and after a few more weeks, you'll be embarrassed that you ever attached yourself to such hate.

[KoKo]

54. I think what bothers me about him is that he gives the SAME Speech Over and Over

and it get's repetitive.... He looks tired and certainly deserves a break...because this schedule has worn both Obama and Hillary down.

But..neither probably thought this PRIMARY would go on this long. A "break" ...it's time so they can "refresh themselves and get their messages together in their heads to MOVE FORWARD in this new climate.

[Major Hogwash]

60. Because unity is so passe these days.

Hillary is doing what McCain wouldn't do - use race and gender to divide Americans!!

[KoKo]

63. Hillary is using Race and Gender? Wha?

I think when one has an African=American and Female Candidate in the race...doesn't Race & Gender become automatic.

[Andromeda]

105. That's flat out false, porky...

Are you trying to be cute? If so, it didn't work!

[NorthernSpy]

56. He's not going to kiss your ass.

If that's what you want, you should tune out right now.


He will do what biracial people have done always: mediate. Explain one to the other. Find common ground, and identify differences that aren't going away. And those who have ears to hear, will hear him.


If that doesn't include you, then that's too bad. You cannot reach everybody, no matter what you say or do.


I think you're afraid that he'll be persuasive.

[rucky]

58. Maybe you should wait to pick apart the speech.

Your closed minded opinions won't keep anybody else's open.

[desi]

67. The hateful rhetoric was going to see the light of day anyway.

Too bad it was later rather than sooner, before so many drank the Kool-Aid. What I do not understand is how long did the Obama camp think they could hide the hateful racist bastard.

[Guava Jelly]

71. Do you need a hug?

:grouphug:

[anamandujano]

77. Spot on!

I think the media is going to take it the way you are. Who the fuk does he think he is. They have a few questions and will resent his tactics.

I see him digging a bigger hole for himself. You know that's all he's ever done when faced with a political crisis.

[DarienComp]

79. I trust Barack Obama.

[Andromeda]

106. That's your problem.

:eyes:

[DarienComp]

107. Guess so.

:hi:

[GoldieAZ49]

81. Romney had to give a 'Kennedy speech' as well, see where it got him

and he got pretty good reviews after, doubt Obama will.

The trust is gone for Obama and more speeches are not going to regain the lost trust.

He may keep his base, and the race is almost over unless he gets less than 15% in the remaining contests.

If he does get the nomination, we will watch a landslide victory for McCain in Reagan style.


For a repub that is not popular within his own party to win a landslide victory truly will make this race historic.

Just not in the way we had all expected.

[jackson_dem]

109. Romney got good reviews but the numbers didn't move for him after the speech

This may help Obama a little or it may help him. By doing this he keeps pastorgate in the news cycle for at least two more days and the issue of race. The biggest problem is the hypocrisy. He is going to lecture the country on racism when he did nothing about Wright's racism for two decades. You can't preach unity and getting beyond race in public and endorse Wright in private. Obama seems to be too arrogant to recognize this.

[DemGa]

83. Yep, you've nailed it. And I'll add that Barack Obama is damaged

beyond repair -- he will bring untold harm to the Democratic Party unless he is forced out.

[aquarius dawning]

89. through the rose colored glasses worn by Obama's base, he still looks highly electable.

Which I why I think we're toast come November.

[anamandujano]

98. Kennedy, Kerry and Dean will have to share the blame.

[democrattotheend]

125. Dean hasn't endorsed anyone

Although I am pretty sure he's privately pulling for Obama.

[undeterred]

86. You just don't get it.

[aquarius dawning]

87. Middle America is not going to rally behind Barack Obama after all of this.

The more he denies it, the more it hurts him. Refusing to accept reality doesn't change reality. Just because you think this shit shouldn't matter, that doesn't mean that it won't matter on election day.

[Uzybone]

88. And lots of DU Obama supporters said "no big deal"

lots of the novices and dreamers on DU thought this would not be a big deal. Im glad Obama is going to take this on ASAP. He should never have let it get to this point, he shuld have condemned Wright once he began running for president. I hope his speech makes it clear that he repudiates Wrights ranting and blunts the sword that the right wing will use to bash him over the head with for the next 8 monthsif he is the nominee.

[aquarius dawning]

90. If he really wanted to convince America that he doesn't adhere to Wright's brand of "Christianity"

he should have stopped attending services at his church 20 years ago and he definitely should not have dragged his children along.

[jackson_dem]

110. Yup. That is what Oprah did

[JoFerret]

92. This speech is an opportunity for the Clinton campaign

let's see how well they do.
(Hoping for the best from both. As a voter my mind is made up but as a nation we have so much work still to do.)

[madrchsod]

93. so you have seen every sermon in the last 20 yrs

you must have a lot of time on your hands...if you don`t like what he has to say about race in america then do`t listen..but don`t insult the democrats that have an open mind about this issue..

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

103. I've Got A Sincere Request Of You MassDemm:

How bout you just listen to his speech tomorrow, give him a chance, and see what your feelings are afterwards. I ask that sincerely. We got a deal?

[boston bean]

124. Now that I have listened, I still feel the same exact way. for all the same reasons. nt

[scheming daemons]

126. You have an ill soul.... and you need to reflect on that... for now...

...welcome to my ignore list

[quakerboy]

114. Bye

I like issues. I dont like RW bullshit.

[meow mix]

118. Yup, Ignoring that one, hes not even waiting for the speech

wtf is wrong with you hillary supporters.

[JackORoses]

121. I wonder what you will do with your life post-Hillary

What will you fill your time with when the bullshit river dries up?