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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:13 PM
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If Clinton supporters are going to use Wright's words against Obama from 7 years ago
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 06:15 PM by berni_mccoy
Then these words from Hillary's own mouth from 2003, 2004 and 2005 are perfectly valid today. Hillary is COMPLETELY LYING about her stance on the War. She was a Hawk, is a Hawk and Will always BE A HAWK. She is every bit for McCain's 100 year war in Iraq. You just have to read her very recent positions on the War to realize it.

She really reveals her true Republican roots... after all, she grew up as a Republican.

Note: these are older articles, but, still relevant.

Clinton Says She'd support McCain as VP
http://www.mywire.com/pubs/AFP/2004/05/23/473193?extID=10051
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Senator Hillary Clinton said she could support John McCain, a leading Republican senator, as the Democrats' vice presidential candidate in November's presidential election.
"I'm a big admirer of John McCain's," Clinton -- the former US first lady and one of the most prominent Democrats in the US Congress -- told the "Fox News Sunday" program.
"I've spoken with Senator McCain and he assures me he's not interested, but you know, we'll see what happens."


Hillary's secret weapon ... Republican guards
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article557358.ece

POLITICIANS are used to being accompanied by bodyguards. Hillary Clinton has an extra shield: a Republican guard protecting her from accusations that she is too left-wing. Her mission to persuade voters that she is centrist enough to become president in 2008 depends on the company she keeps.
Clinton, a Democrat senator for New York, rarely takes a step in public or a policy initiative without being surrounded by Republicans.

Clinton visited Iraq earlier this year with McCain — both are against withdrawing American troops on the grounds that greater numbers are needed to assure success — and has joined forces with Graham on improving health insurance for army reservists.
“Newt smiling with Hillary and John McCain giggling with Hillary leaves you wondering: why are these people laughing?” Noonan complained.


Hillary, Congenital Hawk
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9500E1DD103DF93BA35751C1A9659C8B63
She does not go along with the notion that the Iraqi dictator posed no danger to the U.S.: ''I think that Saddam Hussein was certainly a potential threat'' who ''was seeking weapons of mass destruction, whether or not he actually had them.''
When Tim Russert on ''Meet the Press'' gave her the opening to say she had been misled when she voted for the Senate resolution authorizing war, Senator Clinton countered with a hard line: ''There was certainly adequate intelligence without it being gilded and exaggerated by the administration to raise questions about chemical and biological programs and a continuing effort to obtain nuclear power.''
On forgotten Afghanistan, like many hawks, she was critical of the failure of European nations ''to fulfill the commitment that NATO made to Afghanistan. I don't think we have enough American troops and we certainly don't have the promised NATO troops.''


Regarding her statement 'adequate intelligence' to go to war: she never read the NIE. If she had, then she is as GUILTY AS BUSH is on Iraq. If she didn't she is CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:14 PM
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1. God...
''There was certainly adequate intelligence without it being gilded and exaggerated by the administration to raise questions about chemical and biological programs and a continuing effort to obtain nuclear power.''

:puke:


Fucking triangulating BULLSHIT! ENOUGH!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:29 PM
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9. Allow me to say yet again
Fuck her!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:31 PM
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10. I've tried to be so diplomatic...
:(
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:32 PM
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11. And good for you?
I don't see any point now (haven't for a few weeks now). :shrug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:35 PM
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12. I don't know...
I just remember when people talked shit about Kucinich... and how much it bothered me.

And that whole honey / flies thing.

But I don't know... I'm starting to view the DLC as straight-up Neo-Liberal - and I view them the same as the Neo-Cons. So... *sigh*
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:42 PM
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13. I've always been anti-HRC
However, it wasn't until a (few weeks ago?) that I just said fuck it, this is unbearable. I'm not as over-the-top assholish as I could be... that's usually for when someone posts something uncalled for, that I respond in kind (usually as a new thread).
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:16 PM
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2. When are the Obamaniacs going to "run a positive campaign"?
Slashing about at Hillary only makes all y'all look mean and nasty. When some of the Hillbots go at it, it's the same deal.

I would much rather see positive posts about DUers candidates of choice instead of all this mudslinging.

This is getting dangerous for all...
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:17 PM
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3. What's dangerous is allowing Clinton to steal the nomination so she can support McCain
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:20 PM
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4. What's dangerous is foul rumors like that! eom
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:27 PM
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6. Sorry to inform you, but it's no rumor. She's not going to win, so she's trying to steal Delegates
She even has a website to do it. It's a site full of lies and deceptions to convince delegates to subvert the will of the voters. You can see for yourself here: http://www.delegatehub.com/
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:34 PM
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14. Unless she is paying them off... she can't steal them...
Saying that she is stealing them is a damn lie.

BACK AWAY FROM THE KOOL AID!!!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:48 PM
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19. She's putting out a ton of money to convince them they should go against the will of the voters
I'd call that a steal.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:16 AM
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25. It's called politics and it's all legal
Calling a rose a carnation will never make it so. You are really starting to sound like the Bush administration... just keep repeating the lies... just keep repeating the lies... lather, rinse, and repeat... gotta catapult the propaganda...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:27 PM
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5. Quoting candidates is mudslinging?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:29 PM
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8. It's not, there's enough freeper logic on this board to choke a horse
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:36 PM
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15. Yes, it is... there needs to be a line drawn...
Positive posts help the candidate of choice as well as the party as a whole.

Negative posts hurt everyone.

Positive

Negative

That's the key. It's far better to uphold your own candidate with positive reinforcement than to slam the opponent with negative... regardless of the perceived truthfulness.

We are handing the presidency to McCain because we can't pull ourselves off the goddamn school yard!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:47 PM
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18. So, you are saying Hillary's own statements are Negative? Wow.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:12 AM
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23. There you go again...
You can't help yourself. Yes, her statements are negative. And by the same token are Obama's negative. They are no better at this than all you Kool Aid addicts. Jesus Mary and Joseph... when will this fucking schoolyard bell ring?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:54 AM
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20. Sorry but hiding faults seems like a bad strategy IMO.
Negative posts are not all equal. If someone's criticizing her smile, clothes, voice, etc... that's not helpful.

Posts quoting the candidate as backing up WH spin... that's something else entirely I think, and deserves scrutiny.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:13 AM
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24. It's all negative and it all amounts to writing the Republican play book for them
Jesus Mary and Joseph. This is getting utterly ridiculous.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:44 AM
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26. Sorry but the GOP isn't going to come here for their talking points.
I find that particular reason given in an attempt to shout-down any sort of discussion of negatives to be a pretty thin one.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:52 PM
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27. You think not?
You're kidding, right? You don't think this site is among hundreds that get data mined every single day? You don't think the media and the world at large is aware of the infighting? You haven't seen cartoon after cartoon about the Democrats eating their own right now? You haven't heard pundit discussion after pundit discussion about Obamaniacs vs. Hillbots? You don't think the McCain campaign is taking notes on all the negative talk they can use later.

That is pretty naive.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:50 PM
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28. Thanks.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:27 PM
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7. Difference between her and McCain are I think McCains trying to please everyone while deep inside...
...not being a bad person.

Hillary? I have no idea! It bothers he hell out of me too!!
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twelve roses Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:59 PM
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16. Wright's words are from 2006.Not 7 years old
But 1 and a half years old.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:30 PM
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17. His statements about 9/11 are from the Sunday after.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:58 AM
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21. So what? she gets along with a couple Republicans... I have Republican friends too...
and wasnt it Barak who wanted to reach across the aisle... how is what she is doing any different?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:03 AM
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22. It's different because she's backing up WH LIES.
She does not go along with the notion that the Iraqi dictator posed no danger to the U.S.: ''I think that Saddam Hussein was certainly a potential threat'' who ''was seeking weapons of mass destruction, whether or not he actually had them.''

That's not reaching across the aisle... that's backing the neo-con lie.
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