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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:08 PM
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ABC inaccurately spreads the concept of religious racism. I'm so angry!
Tonight on World News, Charlie Gibson commented after a report about the Obama/Wright issue by saying, and I paraphrase, that after Obama's speech tomorrow we will better understand the unique characteristics of America's black churches.

I am so pissed off about this! Why? Because America's white and evangelical churches are not much different. The issues that they rant and rave about may be different, but the tactics, the exaggeration, and the "hatred" of America for our current positions on issues like homosexual tolerance, abortion, and even women's rights are just the same if not worse with some advocating violence.

Is the MSM, ABC, and Charlie Gibson so ignorant about the realities of so many church denominations, like evangelicals, Southern & Missionary Baptists, and the Mega Churches of Christ that they feel it is appropriate to "report" that blacks are substantially different than whites in this arena?

That was a veiled and horribly racist remark and Charlie should be held accountable for both his inaccuracies and his racial insensitivity.

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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:10 PM
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1. BTW, I am a white, middle aged female.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:10 PM
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2. That could imply that Gibson is anything but a knob of the highest order.
But he's not. He's simply a knob of the highest order. Don't let it get you down.

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:12 PM
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3. ABC's parent company Disney has long been a GOP donor
Dont expect them to be fair when it comes to politics.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:16 PM
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7. and disney was bailed out by the saudi`s a few years ago..
6 degrees of separation?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:12 PM
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4. Obama isn't being treated fairly on this issue, McCaints people are more radical than Wright....
...could ever think of and they are a lot more biggoted
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:13 PM
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5. Time after time after time
People link to ABC. ABC is NOT friendly to Progressives...and haven't been for a very long time.
Yet...so many here breathlessly link to their stories that show Hillary in a bad light then screech when they portray obama in a bad light.
You all can't have it both ways.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:20 PM
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9. I haven't heard anything that implied sexism with regard to Hillary reporting
I'd be just as angry if I had heard that. Now on here it happens. I've even partook in much Hillary dissatisfaction but I have never used sex a the reason for that dissatisfaction, I'd be just as unhappy with her if she were a man. I only have network TV so I'm guessing I've had limited exposure to the talk shows that claim to be "news", so I'm not doubting your perspective, I just haven't be aware of it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:22 PM
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11. Not necessarily sexism
But downright lies and distortions of the truth.
Which...by the way stood even after I sourced it with a legitimate source stating that it was an untruth.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:23 PM
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12. Lies and distortions, I'm sort of used to; but to spread racism with his implication is too much.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:16 PM
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6. Get used to it
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 07:16 PM by depakid
The corporate media will NEVER give Democratic candidates (or the issues) anything close to fair and accurate coverage- and will go to pretty much any extreme to ensure that they lose.

This was even true during the Clinton era- when Bill and the DINO's repeatedly pandered and sold out to them- even though they never gave the guy a break from day one.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:18 PM
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8. Not just ABC...
The MSM has been disgustingly easy on Hillary Clinton. Whatever she decides to spew, they immediately siphon it up and parrot it into print, without even analyzing it for probability of lies...even though she has repeatedly lied to journalists and got it into publications and news shows.

Ian Fleming said, "The first time, its an accident. The second time, its a coincidence. The third time, its enemy action." At this point, I think it's obvious that the MSM are collaborating with her to Karl-Roviate herself into the Oval Office.

The MSM is so thoroughly doing her bidding that she could take a dump on a stage, call it pate, serve it up to the journalists, and they would eagerly gobble it down, writing in their articles that it was the best pate they had ever tasted.

Just my opinion...your mileage may vary.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:21 PM
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10. In network TV, I definitely see what you're seeing.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:55 PM
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13. Sigh.
You're correct. There isn't really a schism between white evangelical churches and black evangelical churches--the evangelical church, particularly the megachurch, is far more racially diverse than mainline congregations tend to be. It's their only good point.

The problem that is not being reported on (because, as was witnessed during the McClurkin fiasco, if you're not in the community you have NFI about the in-fighting that goes on in it) is the growing schism between old style black churches and the evangelical ones. I hate the fact that Wright's church is being propped up by both Obama defenders and detractors as somehow representative of the Black Church. It's not.

I repeat, this time with Caps Lock of Frustration: THE BLACK CHURCH IS NOT A MONOLITHIC ENTITY, ANY MORE SO THAN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. There are divisions in many places--open and affirming churches like Riverside in NYC vs. Religious Reich-style megachurches, AME vs. your old time Southern black churches, etc. There are many black Christians who take serious issue with Wright's separatist theology and his comments, and who think the "Gov't cooked up AIDS to kill black folks" nonsense is batshit insane. The vast majority of these folks are not right wing Bushies who run behind 700 Club shit, they are progressive, good liberal people who lived through the Jim Crow era and are too busy fighting actual institutional racism to be chasing shadows. They are folks who stand solidly behind the CBC and other organizations. I say "they" but these folks are in my family, I had a long talk with my mom (also a Clinton supporter) about this over the weekend. This is a black woman in her 60s who is a veteran, and a retired federal employee. She has seen more racism--blatant, subtle, institutional, you name it--for longer than some of y'all have been alive (self included). She is the first one to distrust the government, and believes in LIHOP (being a nurse, she worked in the shelter at 14th street after 9/11). I say this not to brag about how bad ass my mom is (and she is), but to establish her cred on this stuff. She is appalled by Wright's comments and said he was ignorant. She puts him in the same category with Black Israelites. But then again, my mom is a black Evangelical and her Pastor, egomaniacal asshole that he is, spends most of his time teaching his congregation how to improve their lives by using the Bible instead of spewing batshit against The Man. That's something I can respect even if I think basing your life on a several thousand year old anthology written by desert nomads is kind of dumb.

What Wright said may be news to most white people, but this is a conversation that's been happening for a long time in the black community and there is NOT a consensus. There are many who feel the way my mom does. This shit is way more complicated than either side is portraying it, and it's kind of maddening, largely because I grew up in the black church. It's a dangerous game that's being played, and I believe there are black Obama supporters who are playing this BS to the hilt to get money and votes and to bully black Clinton supporters into switching sides. "Unity" my ass.
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