More on Obama's "mentor" and "spiritual guide"

[Rex_Goodheart]

Last year when Sean Hannity asked Jeremiah Wright to defend his "God damn America" rhetoric, Wright indignantly asked Hannity if he had read any of James Cone's "Black Liberation Theology", as though only then could a white man understand and then accept such inflammatory sermonizing.

Well, what sort of God does James Cone and Jeremiah Wright embrace with their "Black Liberation Theology"?

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him." - James Cone, "A Black Theology of Liberation", 1970

Sean Hannity is a supreme joke, but he's to be congratulated for not taking that sort of smut literature and its proponents seriously... I wish I could say the same about Obama, for whom with the light of a little bit of exposure I've recently lost an enormous amount of respect.

[usregimechange]

1. Great aligning with Hannity. What next?

[movonne]

5. You just got to know these are freeps out there....they are coming

in like roaches..

[usregimechange]

11. I am not sure about that but I would be willing to bet he can cite the page number

so we can locate the entire paragraph or chapter...

[JoFerret]

56. Silly

to call everyone who raises legitimate differences a "freep' is to indicate you have no tolerance for diversity.

[MercutioATC]

2. I hear Obama's dry cleaner is an NRA member, too....

:eyes:

[Critters2]

3. Death of God theology has been around for a long time,

and I've never seen it referred to as "smut literature" before. What's obscene is presenting to minority members a God who approves of their abuse and disenfranchisement. That is what Black Liberation (indeed all liberation) Theology is reacting to.

[usregimechange]

What page is the quote on? What is your real source?

[Rex_Goodheart]

9. Try this one

http://books.google.com/books?id=p9ITy3Tc6o0C&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=+%22If+God+is+not+for+us+and+against+white+people,+then+he+is+a+murderer,+and+we+had+better+kill+him.%22&source=web&ots=4TQEau5ADj&sig=8W1Y-573NukSNXKxSukNdb6wkGk&hl=en

[usregimechange]

13. That is a secondary source. I want it in its context.

[usregimechange]

15. Here is another source:

http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/03/the-insanity-of-black-liberati.html

[Forkboy]

19. LMAO

[Rex_Goodheart]

27. Then buy the book

[usregimechange]

28. No, you need to know what your talking about before you come in here lifting quotes from wingnuts

[Rex_Goodheart]

34. Can't you read?

The quote is from James Cone's book.

Perhaps you should learn to read and comprehend before you start endorsing presidential candidates?

[usregimechange]

36. Then kindly turn to that page in Cone's book and tell us what what else he says...

so we can verify that you didn't just lift it from Hannity, McWilliams, or Falwell.

[Rex_Goodheart]

37. I wouldn't buy such a book

but here's more of what Cone wrote: "There is no use for a God who loves whites the same as blacks"

[usregimechange]

38. If you didn't read the book and don't have it where did you obtain the quote from?

[Rex_Goodheart]

40. Like I said... you lack reading comprehension skills

I already answered that question when you posed it the first time.

[usregimechange]

41. You just said you don't have the book, where did you get the quote from?

[CreekDog]

54. he's bobbing and weaving...won't tell you where he got the idea despite not reading the book

:eyes:

[usregimechange]

58. Clearly it wasn't from the book and he must not want to tell us where he got it from for a reason

[Rex_Goodheart]

63. Clearly, you can't read

[usregimechange]

65. McWilliams at Oklahoma Baptist University? That is your source?

[Rex_Goodheart]

72. The source of the quote is Cone's own book,

functionally illiterate one. Where I got is from a 1985 book exploring various religious doctrines....

Since you're obviously functionally illiterate, I will tell you that 1985 is long before this shit hit the fan.

[usregimechange]

78. you don't have the book and have already admit from pulling it from this fundy book:

[Rex_Goodheart]

76. The quote is from Cone's own book,

functionally illiterate one. Where I got is from a 1985 book examining various religious doctrines.

Since you're obviously functionally illiterate, I will tell you that 1985 is long before this shit hit Obama's fan.

[Emit]

98. But, did you read this book?

I doubt you did.

[Rex_Goodheart]

61. I linked my source

and it's not a right wing blog. It's a book published in 1985.

Quite obviously, a lot of Obama supporters don't take the time to do even cursory examinations of evidence. That's why we're presently caught between a rock and a hard place with an unelectable candidate.

[usregimechange]

64. From Warren McWilliams at Oklahoma Baptist University? Didn't Hannity attend there?

[CreekDog]

66. a book you didn't read dipstick

what's the big secret in telling us your secondary source?

[usregimechange]

69. Because the author is someone who teaches at a fundy school.

[CreekDog]

111. or worse (and more likely), the Clinton campaign is quoting Hannity

many Clinton supporters I know are spouting things I first heard from right-wingers. Either they are reading right-wingers (not likely, many of them are liberal), or they are getting talking points from Clinton's campaign and don't realize the original source are the likes of Hannity, et al.

[Ka hrnt]

97. Wow, this Cone guy's special...

http://tinyurl.com/3cofbe

Regardless. I wouldn't waste time arguing. To quote Al Franken, while context can be important, there are other times when the only acceptable context for a quote would be if it were preceded by "I'd have to be a complete idiot to say..." :eyes:

I guess technically I'm paraphrasing most of that, not quoting. ;)

[MNDemNY]

43. Then turn the damn pages and read it all.

[usregimechange]

45. I am not the one quoting him... The OP pulled the quote from some rightwing blog and doesn't want

to admit it. Not that I blame him.

[MNDemNY]

48. He gave you a link to the book, you can read it yourself.

When you finish, let me know if you think "putting it in context" in anyway lessens the inflammatory rhetoric as it relates to the GE. Good Luck.

[usregimechange]

59. That was not Cone's book it was from Warren McWilliams at Oklahoma Baptist University!!!

[MNDemNY]

77. OK,My Bad, but I till give you the same challenge.

[usregimechange]

79. I am looking into requesting Cone actual book now...

[Rex_Goodheart]

52. I posted a link to where I got the quote

Sadly, you're functionally illiterate. Sadly, you get a vote.

[usregimechange]

68. Oklahoma Baptist University...

[movonne]

17. The passion of God...

[usregimechange]

26. From Warren McWilliams at Oklahoma Baptist University???

[usregimechange]

33. Book title from him: "Prayer in a Self-Centered World"

[usregimechange]

35. Was the OP just completing his conservative Christian school reading list?

[Hepburn]

4. So, now you think Sean Hannity is OK?

:puke:

[DemGa]

Wow, Hannity has better sense/insight than Obama -- NT

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

30. You would think so.

[hedgehog]

6. I love quotes taken out of context. Did you hear this one:

I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household.'

[tabatha]

7. Have you seen obama espouse any of these thoughts.

I don't know how much he heard, but his evolution to thoughts of unity between blacks and whites, left and right - could only come from a lifetime of having seen and witnessed division, first hand.

He has not become a left-wing, right-wing, black or white extremist as a result of what he has seen. In fact, he likes to see both sides.

Just read this and understand the fair, balanced and intelligent person Obama is:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-stevens/barack-obama-the-man-i-k_b_84866.html

[NJSecularist]

8. It's one thing to watch a Rethug show like Hannity, it's another thing to do their research for them

[NJSecularist]

60. nt

[Breeze54]

10. Sean Hannity?!? WTF?!?! -- Get the F out of here!!!!

:wtf:

:puke:

[DJ13]

12. So far some Clinton supporters have aligned themselves with

Hannity

Limbaugh

Newsmax

Fox News

Murdock

McCain

Florida's Republican governor Crist


I think we need to ask some of you for your resignation from our party.

[Rex_Goodheart]

24. I don't "align myself" with Sean Hannity

As a white person, I would like a candidate whose "spiritual guide" doesn't embrace a God who wants to kill white people in favor of blacks.

Obama's defense of Jeremiah Wright, i.e. that's he a "respected theologian", really begins to reek when you examine the type of theology Jeremiah Wright endorses.

[Forkboy]

32. No, you just agree with him. Can't wait to see what your definition of "is" is.

:rofl:

[Blue State Bandit]

53. That's not what he said.

He said 'IF'. As in questioning whether this was the true face of God.

[Abacus]

73. Maybe you should read your quote again

because that's not what it said.

[Rex_Goodheart]

93. You're correct

I wrote that in haste. I don't want a candidate whose spiritual guide embraces a God who is for black people against whites, either.

[GhostofSandpiper]

14. Good to hear Democrats praising Sean Hannity

I see he's gathered quite a following amongst supporters of a certain Dem candidate.


When will Bill be appearing on his show?

[izzybeans]

16. When you defer to the authority of Sean Hannity...

the arrogance of dismissing someone who has offered you a chance to see the world through their eyes (re: reading Cone's book)...sheesh.

[thunder rising]

18. Well Rex, what campaign did you donate too? What church do you attend? I only ask since you state

nothing but criticism of others. Do you actually have a personality?

[Rex_Goodheart]

29. I'm an atheist

I don't attend church.

[thunder rising]

49. Then what the fuck is this to you?

[Rex_Goodheart]

70. Are you serious?

An atheist is not supposed to care that a political candidate supports a "black liberation theology" that inspires racist attitudes? What sort of bigot are you that I'm not entitled to be concerned?

[Joe the Revelator]

20. The right wing smear machine is NOT your friend

Don't you dopes see what you're supporting?

YAY Hannity!!!

[Peregrine Took]

21. I can see the rethug video on all this right now. Here we go again.... n/t

[angie_love]

22. First they congratulate Hannity, then they tell us FOX news really is fair.

Next he'll be telling us McCain would be a good president.

Get thee away FREEPER!!

[NanceGreggs]

23. The ultimate contradiction in terms ...

"Sean Hannity is a supreme joke, but he's to be congratulated for ..."

The minute someone starts quoting the likes of Hannity to support their argument, they should recognize that the argument is already lost.

[EFerrari]

31. Wright said over a year ago that he was not Obama's mentor.

But, keep spreading the hatred. And hope you can sandblast it off when you're finished.

[Rex_Goodheart]

39. Which leaves us with Obama calling Wright his "spiritual guide"

and, unfortunately, this is a matter of spirituality.

[EFerrari]

46. When did facts deter the Clinton campaign?

I'm no apologist for Wright. His views are mostly mine. If anything. Obama's connection with him makes me hope a little bit that there might be some actual progressive part to Obama.

[stevedeshazer]

42. You're not helping your case by congratulating Sean Hannity

Nice try.

"supreme joke"

Yeah, that's about right.

[Blue State Bandit]

44. Are you serious? Hannity? Need some soap?

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

I see no problem with this statement. Any God who would 'pick sides' based on race is not the God that I was told had a 'Son', Jesus.

AS A WHITE MAN, I see this as a statement against the use of religion to justify institutionalized racism. And I will defend any minority that would find truth in that.

If certain Americans cannot give latitude to a civil rights advocate when speaking about the history of their oppression, then those certain Americans are guilty of perpetuation of said oppression.

I suppose I will be branded as voting for Obama to wash my hands of the atrocities of our past; so be it. But they are not my atrocities that I wish to rectify. My hands are clean.

I guess you could say my vote is for my fellow Americans who still haven't made their peace.

[Rex_Goodheart]

55. Go learn to read

Start by finding a dictionary, and look up what the words "for" and "against" mean. Cone wants his God to be FOR black people and AGAINST white people.

[Blue State Bandit]

75. "IF" you knew what you were accusing me of....

you might have noticed that he said "If God is not for us..."

IF-conjunction-(In the event that: If I were to go, I would be late.)

Try using your own advice.

[Rex_Goodheart]

80. I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you

You obviously lack the intelligence necessary to parse and comprehend sentences.

[Blue State Bandit]

84. Your not arguing, your just insulting me.

So fuck you "if" you cant take it.

[angie_love]

88. He schooled you rex. LOL!

[Rex_Goodheart]

94. You've got his same problem.

[Blue State Bandit]

104. What prob would that be?

A decent education?

[Rex_Goodheart]

108. An inability to parse and comprehend sentences.

[Beregond2]

87. Context

"For" black people isofar as they are oppressed. "Against" white people, isofar as they oppress. Any fool can see that is what is meant.

This is what is meant by "out of context," moron. You can't cherry-pick a sentence and use it to extrapolate an entire arguement. That is what fundamentialists do in their attempts to justify sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. And you are doing it to construct a lying smear against Obama. Do you think we are idiots?

And BTW, this is a staement of very traditional Christian doctrine. There is nothing remotely radical about it. Try reading the prophets.

[usregimechange]

96. Ironically he lifted the quote from a fundy book....

[MidwestTransplant]

47. So Sean Hannity embraces Black Liberation Theology?

Just thought I would respond with an equally useless post as yours.

[LuvMyPorsche]

50. lol

hope all the Obamanites are proud of "their boy" (and that's NOT in a racial connotation) now that we see how his head works... now we need to know if he has Cone's book on the nightstand, on top of the Bible.

GO HILLARY!

[Blue State Bandit]

67. Are you saying that history is wrong?

That African-Americans were not oppressed by rich white people in America? That religion was not used as a tool to justify that oppression? That African-Americans have no right to speak on such matters?

PS. if you wanted to avoid the 'racial connotation' you should have avoided it and not used a phrase that needed to be clarified.

[NanceGreggs]

90. RE: "If you wanted to avoid the racial connotation ..."

Precisely! Would have taken less time and effort to change the original text than to "clarify it".

Some people just can't help giving their true feelings away ...

[CreekDog]

51. where did you read this prior to posting?

:hi:

[jpak]

57. This thread is **officially** Hannitized

what horseshit...

:puke:

[NJSecularist]

62. Hey Rex, your favorite show is on now. Don't miss it. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

71. Politics makes strange bedfellows

Careful what you might catch though.

[uponit7771]

74. Karl Rove praised Obama, can you? Thx in advance

[MojoMojoMojo]

81. Read the context its worse than the quote.

[Marie26]

82. If Obama is into Liberation Theology...

I've got a whole lot more respect for him.

[EmilyAnne]

83. Well, I happen to agree with Cone. Of course I've used that statement as an analogy for just

any mass murderers throughout history. Therefore, I became an atheist. It sounds like Cone and Wright are just a few steps from that conclusion, but they won't let themselves quite get there.

[Rex_Goodheart]

86. You agree that God, if he exists, should be FOR black people

and AGAINST white people?

I think you're correct about the near-atheism part.

[EmilyAnne]

92. I think "God" should be against people who cause others to suffer, yes. Whether they be black,

white, purple or blue.

[Rex_Goodheart]

100. It's a pity that's not what Cone actually wrote.

[EmilyAnne]

102. Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. I just don't see it as all that outrageous. He's black. He is

going to see it from that perspective.

[usregimechange]

85. This is the source he lifted the quote from: Warren McWilliams at Oklahoma Baptist University:

[Rex_Goodheart]

89. What's your point?

That in 1985 Mr. McWilliams invented some passages by Cone that weren't actually in Cone's book?

[usregimechange]

95. That you trust a fundy to be honest while attacking a progressive leader

[Rex_Goodheart]

107. Apparently, you lack the sense to know

when it benefits or not an author to make up quotes. I'll make you a deal: if those passages are not in the Cone book cited I'll leave the board. If they are, then you leave. As it stands, you're engaging in a ludicrous ad hominem attack because you lack anything legitimate.

[walldude]

91. OOh a support Sean Hannity thread!

Oh can I get in on this?

[rucky]

99. Dear Kos,

Please take them back!

Sincerely,

DU

[stop the bleeding]

101. using Hannity just makes you look stupid

Dumbest post of the evening by far and that says a lot for GDP.

Shhhh.

Shh.

Sh.

No, no don't say a word, you have done enough for one evening.:beer:

edit to add beer

[cooolandrew]

103. Go off peole easy don't you. Get Barack's audio book review it here,if you could please.

[Rex_Goodheart]

105. Sorry, but the thought of Obama supporting that crap for 20 years

makes me sick.

[LadyVT]

106. Wow. You people must be really scared...

Your responses are over the top.

[Rex_Goodheart]

110. What do you mean by "you people" ?

[pointsoflight]

109. So now it's guilt by association of an associate's associate?

Can people please take a step back?