I love Obama's pastor - anyone that doesn't, has an agenda

[Sarah Ibarruri]

Obama's pastor has reinforced my desire to vote for Obama. However, the right wingers (including Hillary Clinton) are trying to get the population to dislike the pastor. In the same way that right wingnuts did with feminists (which I am one), they twist and mangle and take anyone that threatens their fascist goals and make them seem like the enemy. The truth is that right wingnuts are the enemy, not feminists, not Obama's pastor, not anyone the right wing tries to crucify.

We've seen what the right wing is capable of. They've just about destroyed this country. They've done it because we allowed them to. We loved their lies. Do we continue to love them even to this day? Will we continue to love them when this country has turned into the 3rd world nation right wingnuts are trying to turn it into?

We need to understand and face head on the fact that once again we've been had by right wingnuts. We cannot allow their lies to continue, and, like a poisonous snake, we must kill it.

[redwitch]

1. I don't love him.

:shrug:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

I'm sure you have a reason. What is it? nt

[Skittles]

he infers murdered girls are sluts?

that's just f***ing U G L Y

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. huh?

What are you talking about?

[Skittles]

18. I understand his anger at the "Missing White Woman" syndrome

but he took it a step further by trashing the women themselves:

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. AND YOU THINK THAT'S A LIE?

What planet did you just land from for godssakes?

[Skittles]

27. done with you

you make no fucking sense whatsoever

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. Oh LORD I guess you DO think it's a lie! You're scaring me nt

[Hoof Hearted]

180. You think girls who get murdered deserve to have ugly presumptions made about their sexual behavior

by some preacher that never knew them to pump up his congregation?

Unless you are ready to address this directly, don't waste your time answering this post. I promise you, and anyone else, I will repeat it (the question) ad nauseum until it is addressed.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

197. You know that's not what I'm saying but you get off on pretending it is, don't you?

I said she was irresponsible. She was engaging in irresponsible behavior. If you get drunk and on drugs and go off with a lunatic knowing you know nothing about this person, are you being a responsible person? No. But that won't matter with you. Your desire to get Hillary Clinton elected is much more important than truth, reality, or anything really.

[JoFerret]

96. Forget it. Over the top, divisive and irrational

.

[stillcool]

45. It is ugly...

He could have made the case without attacking the victim. He should know better.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

And the millions being killed who are black, it's not ugly that their deaths are

overlooked or encouraged? Your priorities.... examine them.

[aquart]

186. So only black deaths count?

Racist much?

[LisaL]

95. What planet did you land from?

The claim that she went to Aruba and "gave it up."
He could have made the point about "missing white girl syndrome" by saying she went missing...
But no, he had to say she "gave it up."
Nobody knows exactly what happened to the girl.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

134. You're right that no one knows but no kids go to Aruba to knit sweaters...

That kind of thing should not be permitted, really.

[Andromeda]

169. What the hell planet are you from, petunia?

I don't want to breathe the same air you do.

[CatsDogsBabies]

46. I didn't read what Rev. Wright said or wrote about Natalee Holloway

and it certainly sounds crude and insensitive, but I understood him to be accentuating the lack of attention given to the plight of many women, those women being raped daily in Darfur. I am not defending what he said but it is an effective contrast: constant news coverage over Natalee Holloway vs. no interest in the plight of women in Darfur Sudan and Congo. It was a way of driving home the point that a lot of women are suffering daily but no one wants to pay any attention to them. I know his delivery maks people uncomfortable but I think it's a valid point.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

57. You're right! It pisses me off to no end to hear the bs other people are spewing

about Wright because they'd rather have history and reality whitewashed so it sounds better to their ears and they don't have to face the very very ugly reality and truth.

[BlackVelvet04]

132. the reality and the truth is Wright was nasty

and ugly with his comments about Natalie Holloway. And as a Christian he should know how offensive and just plain un-Christian it is to say God damn America. That includes YOU, Sarah. He asked God to damn each and every one of us to an eternity in hell.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

138. The U.S. doesn't have a pretty history or present nt

[BlackVelvet04]

144. I didn't say it was pretty...

my great grandmother was Monacan Indian. My family was called out in a letter from the Bureau of Statistics' one Walter Plecker accusing the family of trying to "pass" as Native American. Tales of what my family went through has been passed down when family members even allowed themselves to acknowledge "the dark one" ancestor.


by the way, here is a link to some of Plecker's letters.
http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/plecker.html

The one at the bottom with lists of surnames is the one that calls out my family. To make matters worse the county put a garbage dump on the site of the burial grounds. Finally after much fighting from the Native American community they put a fence around the burial ground...it's still surrounded by a dump. So don't tell ME how ugly history is and try and excuse the inexcusable....the trashing of a young woman.


I know that the history is ugly, but disparaging a young woman isn't pretty either....it's ugly, it's trashy and it's uncalled for.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

149. So basically it's the fact that he said that the media is constantly reporting the death of Natalee

Holloway that has you upset????

[BlackVelvet04]

159. No.....

that was the truth. Saying she went down there to "give it up" was uncalled for.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

161. Uncalled for? And what do all those females go down there for? We already know what the males

go down there for. What do the females go down there for? Ever hear an interview from anyone that works in any of those hotels, clubs and restaurants? Ever bother to find out what they do there? Ever bother to find out WHY they go there? The purpose? The goal? The aim? What was uncalled for? That he actually SAID IT OUT LOUD that they go over there to have sex? Why can't he say it? Because? Just because? Is that why you don't want him to say it?

Sheesh.

[BlackVelvet04]

164. so, the only reason a female goes there is to have sex?

I call BULLSHIT. You assume a lot and not knowing her it's pretty disgusting to assume she went there for sex. Would anybody say a man went somewhere to "give it up"? No.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

194. Well, no, the only reason kids go there is not to have sex....

They also go there to do drugs, get drunk, and the women go there to dance naked in front of a bunch of males. They certainly don't go sightseeing or to study botany.

[Beaverhausen]

165. and he inferred that it is OK that she was killed. Jesus christ you are dense.

You are sadly lacking the compassion that you supposedly love Wright for; you don't seem to have it for others. Only those who think and behave the way you want them too.

I hope you know what kind of fool you are making yourself in this thread.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

195. No. He correctly identified dangerous behavior.

If someone is driving drunk and gets killed, he wasn't exactly being responsible. Why do you persist in covering up things? Is there a particular reason for that?

[Hoof Hearted]

181. I think we've found the new "dumbest post ever." According to you, whilte girls need to go to Aruba

to have sex?

Or, are you saying that because SOME white girls have had sex in Aruba, ALL white girls who go to Aruba are there to have sex?

It was a stupid, uncharitable, unchristian, racist, trashy and ugly thing to say - for anyone - for a preacher to say it is just disgusting. For anyone to defend it is inexcusable.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

196. If that's what you got out of it, you have quite a vivid imagination. Use it for something useful

Maybe to find some way to defend Hillary Clinton that will fly.

[Mike Daniels]

204. Name one country that has a pretty history.

You won't be able to, I guarantee it.

We've had some ugly moments as a country and our rhetoric hasn't always matched our actions but if you look through history you'll find thousands of other instances of people behaving no better and even then it was generally on a scale that makes us look pretty amaturish by comparison.

Doesn't make it our lesser moments any less wrong but to act as though the US is the sole perpetrator of all the shitty things to happen in the 231 years we've been an independent country is bollocks.

As for the present or near future, we made a pretty nice rebound from one economic depression years ago and there's no reason to believe the cycle won't swing back around at one point or another.

[noel711]

81. Is this the first time you've heard this outrage?

This has been discussed for years!

And he's right about that!

[Horse with no Name]

21. Murdered WHITE girls

You left that part out.

[redwitch]

15. Apparently, it's because I have an agenda.

What is it?

[jasmine621]

171. Was this thread posted just to be able to associate Hillary's name

with those attacking Rev. Wright when, in fact, Hillary and her campaign have not had anything to do with this smearing of Wright and Obama's connection to him? Pretty slick but so typical of Obama supporters.

[BeatleBoot]

2. I am sorry you haven't done your homework on him and his friends.

I am truly sorry for that.

But in time, you will see.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. Uh.... are you going to keep it a secret from me unless I give you the secret codeword? nt

[BeatleBoot]

23. I don't do other people's homework for them

My Dad taught me that early on.

It may sound like a cop-out, but it isn't.

Perhaps I'm too old for this board.

Where's the work ethic anymore?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

29. If you have no argument please don't waste my time. Thanks. nt

[BeatleBoot]

36. Okay, I guess my argument is this:

You don't know.

And you don't know that you don't know.

I'll go now.

Sorry to waste your time.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

40. Okay, you've convinced me. I'm putting you on ignore. You can post responses to the air from now

on

[stillcool]

48. Why these one-liners with..

no links? What happened to providing information to back up your assertions? Does that no longer 'matter'?

[rug]

3. What's my agenda, Sarah?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

There are various:

1) The desperate Hillary agenda;
2) The right wingnuts "desperate to run against Hillary" agenda;
3) The I'm so white and white is better agenda.

(And by the way, I'm white)

[redwitch]

20. Nope, none of those are me.

Try again.

[rug]

26. And how do you know these are my agenda?

It's: 4) Obama is demonstrably full of shit.

A completely independent corollary: Wright has no business mixing politics and theology, especially when his theology is so fucked up.

[noel711]

85. Part of Liberation Theolgy...

the theology that WRight preaches, as do many pastors,
is that theology is politics...

REad the Bible; that's what got Jesus crucified...
he dared criticize the powers that be.

That's what got John the Baptist beheaded,
he critictized the powers that be.

You can't really be Christian, and sit all by yourself,
and let the injustice of the world continue.
you must speak out..

[rug]

97. The James Cone branch he follows is more peculiar than liberation theology as a movement.

And liberation theology does not preach that theology is politics, it stresses the social justice aspects of the gospel, specifically the Beatitudes, as a divine mandate. What Cone has done is to narrowly focus it in America regarding black churches vis-a-vis the white establishment churches. Wright has skewed it even further. Sorry, I don't think he's a representative of liberation theology.

[goodgd_yall]

175. I heard "liberation theology" used in reference to Wright

That was a new one to me. It certainly didn't sound like the liberation theology I know. I think what you describe is more what I know it to be.

[BlackVelvet04]

136. Back it up, there........

Jesus criticized the RELIGIOUS powers that be. He didn't involve himself in politics, nor did the disciples.

[Mike Daniels]

205. Precisely

Jesus was never considered a threat by Rome.

The people threatened by Jesus where the Pharisees and other religious leaders of his day. The only reason Rome got involved (at least as told in the Bible) was because the religious leaders weren't able to get rid of him themselves so they dragged Rome in the form of Pilate into it.

[ClericJohnPreston]

115. Sarah, I kinew you when

you were a normal Edwards supporter, as I still am. Back in your more lucid days, you would recognize an extreme post like this one, as.....well EXTREME. Anytime you paint an absolutist notion of right or wrong, carved in stone, with no other options, it is a sign of losing your way. You can no longer discern fact from fiction, real versus imagined enemies.

I don't fit into any of your categories. I never will either. Your all or nothing view of the world is a tad bit disconcerting, to say the least. You need some perspective Sarah....or an intervention.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

157. I'm still an Edwards supporter, but I don't like bs. I like things told as they are.

I don't fit into a mold perhaps, or some Hollywood idea of how I should think. I also don't like the dirt painted over to make it seem pretty somehow.

[ClericJohnPreston]

182. Sorry Sarah

you have crossed over into fanatical territory when you label a Democrat a Fascist, or an "enemy". Only CULTS need enemies to reinforce the isolation and the group fanaticism.

It's intervention time.......

[Sarah Ibarruri]

193. No I didn't. If anything I refuse to allow anyone to pretend that what Obama's pastor said

is a lie. It's a truth that is ugly and it will haunt our country forever. This country has done many many ugly things. To try and cover it up, is sick.

[Nitrogenica]

4. You should watch FOX news more often. Join the cult.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. I've never watched FOX. nt

[MNDemNY]

5. Yes, My agenda is to put a Democrat in the white house.

[cali]

8. So you'll vote for Obama if he's the nominee?

[MNDemNY]

11. Cali, how many times do I have to tell you?

Of course I would. My support and my money. Even if it's an old yellow dog.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. who? nt

[MNDemNY]

28. Actually....Al Gore.

[Autumn]

6. I don't love him

I don't have to love any pastor,and I don't care who's pastor they are. In fact when fallwell died I bought champaign and celebrated.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

12. Falwell's dead?? Didn't know. How will America

survive??? </sarcasm> :)

[Autumn]

17. Haven't you noticed the world has been a better place?

:toast:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

32. Cheers matey!! Yes, less vitriolic commentary by televangelists

who are stark raving lunatics does have a positive effect in many diverse ways. Nutcases.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. Ok, at least you're an atheist and therefore an equal opportunity disliker of religions nt

[Autumn]

34. No I'm not an atheist

I just don't have to love anyone just because they happen to have the title of Minister,Pastor,or Reverend. I don't know enough about him to love him and have no desire to do so.

[MercutioATC]

7. I neither love nor hate him...but I do understand what he's saying.

This is an older black pastor speaking to a predominantly black congregation about issues that, as a white guy, I will never experience. That's not "white guilt", it's simple fact.

I don't have a problem with anything he said. I don't feel it's unpatriotic or racist in the least...it's real.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

33. You're absolutely right. These are things you and I will never experience or live because we are

white. You said it much better than I ever could've.

[saracat]

10. I don't love him amd I have an agenda. I am against sexism and racisim

and I would love to see world peace.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

35. Yeah well closing our eyes to the suffering of others won't bring it faster, I assure you nt

[saracat]

51. And reverse racism or reverse sexism surely doesn't help.

Two wrongs don't make a right.Or Wright!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

59. "Reverse racism" another Republican upside down logic meant to blame the victim and make it seem

"ugly" when the truth is told, and "beautiful" when the truth is whitewashed and hidden.

[saracat]

68. Yeah, Like blacks can't be "racist"or women "sexist"Gimme a break reverse racism is real

[Sarah Ibarruri]

70. Oh here we go with the very popular GOP Blame-The-Victim game

It's the game where you win every time you blame the victim. You win a good # of points when you can make seem to be equal to the non-victim group. You win LOTS of points when you can manage to make the victim seem like an ogre compared with the non-victim group.

<yawn> That game has been around since Reagan and it's boring.

[saracat]

75. I refuse to catogorize either groups as "victims" That is insulting.

And I blame no one but agitators and haters.Hate never makes anything better and Wright preaches hate. Sorry.That is a fact. You would not be defending a white preacher who spoke such hatred against blacks and neither would I . I don't care for hatred of any color or gender.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

80. No actually, to say that a group that was victimized is not a group of victims is doing

exactly what the Holocaust Deniers do. You are engaging in Holocaust denying.

[saracat]

84. I cannot even begin to say what I think about this statement as it would surely be deleted.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

88. Think about what I said. The ugliest thing about a Holocaust denier is what?

The fact that they deny the fact that Jews were victims of the Nazis. They want to show that Jews were NOT victimized or the victims of the Nazis. And that is what makes a Holocaust denier heinous.

[aquart]

187. You better keep away from discussions of Jews.

Because we're sure Wright has a few words about us, too.

[rodeodance]

90. your post is NUTS and unethical.. You are using those victims to make a political

statement! That is wrong!


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Response to Reply #75
80. No actually, to say that a group that was victimized is not a group of victims is doing

exactly what the Holocaust Deniers do. You are engaging in Holocaust denying.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

105. I have an excellent old book somewhere called, Blaming the Victim

You really ought to try and locate it and read it. Blaming the victim and pretending the non-victims are the sufferers is what fascists do.

[rodeodance]

117. you missed my point. You either did so deliberately or you have a reading

comprehension problem.
And btw-I do not need you psychologizing me.

[kikiek]

99. Did you really say that? Unreal. Now if you don't agree with Wright's inflammatory message

you are a Holocaust denier. What kind of logic is that? Statements like that only highlight the type of support Obama has. Thoughtless people without ability to reason.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

106. I SAID that anyone who denies that a victim is a victim, and wants to whitewash the truth of that...

is doing the exact same thing as a Holocaust denier. What do I have to do? SPELL IT OUT AGAIN? Sheesh!

[kikiek]

110. Yet the dots still don't connect.

[rodeodance]

120. SHAME ON YOU--using the Holocaust to make your political point!!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

126. EXCUSE ME? Are you going to now tell me that I can't discuss the Holocaust as an example

of blaming the victim?

[libbygurl]

111. Oh, now just accuse the poster of being a Holocaust denier!

Bait-and-switch, huh? Yeah, your nonsensical, non-sequitur arguments are really persuading a lot of people here.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

119. Blaming the victim is exactly what Holocaust denying is nt

[libbygurl]

121. You are also accusing saracat of being a Holocaust denier! Nuts.

Geez, get your syllogism ducks in a row, please. They are pretty awry right now.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

128. No, actually I'm saying that Holocaust denying is the best example of

blaming the victim, and that wanting to blame Wright for putting the truth out there and refusing to whitewash it, IS blaming the victim.

[elixir]

202. He doesn't even know what the truth is . Shame on you.

[BlackVelvet04]

137. Hyperbole much?

get a grip. Obama's supporters are constantly making smart comments about Hillary playing the victim....guess that's pretty hypocritical, isn't it?

[saracat]

52. And reverse racism or reverse sexism surely doesn't help.

Two wrongs don't make a right.Or Wright!

[JoFerret]

24. Yes - an agenda. And mine is

human dignity and decency at all times.

His sleaziness and gratuitous cruelty undercut his other important points of view.

I will not compromise on basic values and dignity for all. And this includes those people he slimed and demeaned.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

38. Human dignity constitutes lashing out at someone who tells the truth, when that truth hurts you?

Hmm

[JoFerret]

50. The truth? Which truth now?

Does Wright ONLY speak truth? Or is he sometimes on a sexist sleazy rant?

Is his version of humanity inclusive? or is it not?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

55. Everything he said that pisses you off because it's not flowery and feel-good.

That's what I'm referring to.

[JoFerret]

94. No.Because some of it is very sexist, creepy and very divisive

not to mention gratuitously cruel.

[libbygurl]

113. Oh, but what's your REAL agenda, the OP wants to know?

Ridiculous, flamebaiting post.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

155. Actually no. He's right. The media has covered the Natalee Holloway case

for what? Months? What has it covered about the murdered dark skinned women of anywhere at all? Zip. Evidently it bugs the hell out of you that he actually DARED to mention that reality. What? No one is supposed to speak the truth? It might hurt the sensibilities of us white people?

[Forkboy]

25. Not really, and we all have agendas of one kind or another.

[navarth]

30. he kinda screwed up when he said god damn america...

he did say that didn't he? I never heard it myself. if he did, that was a bit over the top.

BUT everything I've heard him say, I didn't have a problem with. A lot of it was right on, I thought.

I don't love him or hate him, don't know him well enough. But anybody using him to hurt Obama? Fuck them. Same for anybody who's doing something unfair to Clinton.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

42. You make some excellent points. Thanks. nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. How Embarrassing For You. n/t

[doyourealize1]

39. So...if you love him, you don't have an agenda?

What does that mean?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

43. It means I take what he says and compare it to the real world and you know, it matches

Why should I pretend this country is some sort of fairy tale lovely place when it is quite NOT that?? That's why our school history books are whitewashed and filled with lies. Never do they tell the truth.

[2rth2pwr]

152. Stop using racist language!

Fairy tale is way over the line!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

156. LOL! Yep, it must be! nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. I was just thinking of one of my feminist icons, Andrea Dworkin, today.

And how her words were twisted and mischaracterized beyond all recognition. She became a popular bogey woman of anti-feminists; a strident angry harpy who declared all sex to be rape. What's happening with Rev. Wright reminds me of that. Yes, both Dworkin and Wright said some outrageous things, but both also spoke a lot of truth about oppression. Dworkin was turned into a symbol for defenders of the patriarchy to project their fear onto and Wright is serving that same purpose for defenders of the racial caste system.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

47. Is there such a thing as a female misogynist? I always thought Dworkin was that. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

53. No. You should read some of her books and essay.

You'll come away with a very different impression of her than the strawman created by her detractors. She didn't hate men and she didn't hate sex. What she spoke out against was the deeply entrenched paradigm wherein all sexual interactions were about men dominating women.

[GoldieAZ49]

44. I don't like him or what he preaches and teaches

The bitter angry hateful and fearful rhetoric from a 'spiritual' leader infecting racial tension, fear and distrust into younger generations so that this country will never heal and grow past a very ugly past.


Ask yourself what you would call a church that was 'white-centric' and preached the same vicious fear and hate and blame all the problems of this country on a particular race?

There are a few references of that in US and European history. Do you love them?


Ask yourself if the republican candidate had attend that 'white-centric' church for 20 years would you be outraged at the repubs that elect him?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

49. Don't get upset but let me ask you this.....

How important to you is it that a speaker not speak the whole ugly truth, but, rather, put some flowery speech into things to give you warm fuzzies? Because I have a feeling that a lot of people who don't like this man, are people who really really get stressed out hearing the truth.

[GoldieAZ49]

54. the truth according to whom?

Germany thought their leader spoke the 'truth'

You didn't answer the questions I asked you

[Sarah Ibarruri]

56. According to books that relate history the way it really happened, rather than the whitewashed way

we are taught it in U.S. school history books.

[GoldieAZ49]

58. are you going to answer my question or just push your agenda?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

61. I didn't read your question anywhere. If it's not bullshit, state it. nt

[GoldieAZ49]

64. from my first post

Ask yourself what you would call a church that was 'white-centric' and preached the same vicious fear and hate and blame all the problems of this country on a particular race?

There are a few references of that in US and European history. Do you love them?


Ask yourself if the republican candidate had attend that 'white-centric' church for 20 years would you be outraged at the repubs that elect him?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

69. White churches ARE white-centric! Do you live here in the U.S., or are you from abroad? nt

[GoldieAZ49]

74. I live in the USA and attend churches that are

racially diverse.

I thought segregation went out of style years ago.



Are you afraid to answer my questions?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

82. Okay, maybe you do go to some unusual church where there is a perfect mix.

And I answered your question. Go back and study my answer.

[GoldieAZ49]

89. Clearly you did not so

here they are again. I understand you may be to uncomfortable with the questions and afraid of what the answers would be.

But try to be truthful to yourself, study them and give an answer if you can be honest with yourself.


1. Ask yourself what you would call a church that was 'white-centric' and preached the same vicious fear and hate and blame all the problems of this country on a particular race?


2. There are a few references of that in US and European history.
A. Can you name them?

B. Do you love them?


3. Ask yourself if the republican candidate had attend that 'white-centric' church for 20 years would you be outraged at the repubs that elect him?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

103. Again?

1) Most churches in the U.S. are white-centric. Why can't you see that?
2) What are you talking about?

[GoldieAZ49]

108. You cannot read the questions or you just are to uncomfortable to answer them

you are answering a question I didn't ask.

try again, read s l o w l y so you get all the words and the meaning, there are 4 (four) questions

1. Ask yourself what you would call a church that was 'white-centric' and preached the same vicious fear and hate and blame all the problems of this country on a particular race?


2. There are a few references of that in US and European history.
A. Can you name them?

B. Do you love them?


3. Ask yourself if the republican candidate had attend that 'white-centric' church for 20 years would you be outraged at the repubs that elect him?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

114. Paraphrase or get someone else to explain nt

[GoldieAZ49]

116. LMAO so much for you and the 'truth'

you love your agenda and thats it

[GoldieAZ49]

62. Obama has publicly rejected them, so he doesn't know or speak the truth?

He denounces Wrights position and views, so you think Obama is ignorant of the 'truth' you speak of?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

67. He's rejecting them because the U.S.' new agenda is Republican bullshit and

hypocrisy and we're all just lovin' it and going along with it rather than face the ugly truth in the face. In other words, we must whitewash the truth and not tell it, we must interject religion into government buildings, we must control women's bodies, etc. etc. The media, of course, is the right arm of the GOP and is the strong disseminator of lies and hiding reality.

[GoldieAZ49]

71. Obama injected religion into his campaign

he hoped to be "an instrument of God" and that "I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth".

Sounds like GWB doesn't it?



Obama has a stock line which seems to play straight into the notion that he is an instrument of the divine. To a number of audiences, he has declared: "My job is be so persuasive that if there's anybody left out there who is still not sure whether they will vote, or is still not clear who they will vote for, that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down on you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realise that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama."

To be fair to Obama, this is said in a manner which just leaves open the idea that he is not being entirely serious. Yet I don't believe that those applauding this riff see it as elevated irony – and it is slightly creepy even as a joke. Perhaps it isn't a joke at all, but completely sincere: Obama's speeches are studded with religious rhetoric. For example, last October he told an audience of 4,000 that he hoped to be "an instrument of God" and that "I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth".

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-obama-must-beware-of-turning-into-a-cult-787298.html

from NY Magazine


I will pass on this " instrument of God" and vote No to a Pastor in Chief

[Sarah Ibarruri]

83. OH? Obama passed some religious laws we must now follow?

Take a deep breathe, sit down and repeat after me, "Yes, I like Hillary but she won't win." lolol

[GoldieAZ49]

92. I agree

I have never liked Hillary or voted for her, you probably missed my thread on the topic over the weekend.
I would supply it here, but you are not really interested.

and again you hide from the content of the post and try to make the topic about Hilary

so you want to elect a self proclaimed 'instrument of god' for POTUS?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

100. wtf are you talking about? nt

[GoldieAZ49]

107. You want to elect "an instrument of God" OBAMA his words not mine - remember words have meaning

he hoped to be "an instrument of God" and that "I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth".

Sounds like GWB doesn't it?



Obama has a stock line which seems to play straight into the notion that he is an instrument of the divine. To a number of audiences, he has declared: "My job is be so persuasive that if there's anybody left out there who is still not sure whether they will vote, or is still not clear who they will vote for, that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down on you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realise that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama."

To be fair to Obama, this is said in a manner which just leaves open the idea that he is not being entirely serious. Yet I don't believe that those applauding this riff see it as elevated irony – and it is slightly creepy even as a joke. Perhaps it isn't a joke at all, but completely sincere: Obama's speeches are studded with religious rhetoric. For example, last October he told an audience of 4,000 that he hoped to be "an instrument of God" and that "I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth".

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-obama-must-beware-of-turning-into-a-cult-787298.html

from NY Magazine


I will pass on this " instrument of God" and vote No to a Pastor in Chief

[Window]

190. Religion and politics do NOT mix well. Whoever was responsible for passing out Muslim smears

(Hillary 'camp pain') entered religion into the mix. Not that there is anything wrong with being a Muslim, but to pacify skittish America, he had to go on the defense. Hillary had hoped that by keeping Obama playing defense, with her 'kitchen sink' strategy, he wouldn't be able to campaign effectively. She has failed in every attempt to smear him...well almost failed, because he has wasted an awful amount of time answering her charges, when he should be campaigning more against McCain.

Just like her 'camp pain' made him into the 'Black candidate.' Then, when he responds, he's accused of injecting "race" into the race.

(LOL! This was actually not intended for you Sarah, but rather one of the posters above -- poster #71 who said Obama injected religion into this race.)

Thank you Sarah. Though it's like banging your head against a wall, the OP should be discussed civilly. LOL! Wishful thinking on my part.

Peace:thumbsup:

[GoldieAZ49]

98. So you are saying Obama's denouncement of Wrights words are just campaign rhetoric

in order to get elected but doesn't mean what he is saying.

And this is going to make people trust him enough to vote for him?


No, they are going to think the same thing you do; just campaign rhetoric


While he will most likely win the nomination in the primary he will lose the GE so badly, I doubt he will even carry Illinois.


I am sure you will be thrilled.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

162. 100% of this country's election system involves pretense....

... part of it is because we are run by corporations who lead us by the nose via fairy tales. The other part is that Americans are really ignorant and we love to be led by the nose. In all the countries I've lived in, this is the one where the electorate is the dumbest, really. They hate being told the truth, they like things whitewashed, heaven forbid someone should mention real history, heaven forbid somebody should provide some real statistics, and heaven forbid we don't spend our life focusing on shit instead of on what really matters. In Europe NOBODY would give two shits about church because they're not religious and they don't care a rat's ass for it. Here? Here we have up the fucking wazoo. We have to hyperanalyze where candidate go to church, where they piss, what their preacher says, what their preacher does. HEAVEN FORBID tho that we should EVER discuss the fact that corporations have destroyed our country like vultures. THAT we cannot do. The corporations don't like that. It scares them. So they gently guide us into the realm of bullshit discussing what some preacher says, rather than the way corporations are screwing us up the @$$.

[aquart]

188. So he's a liar and you're excusing the lie?

You have a rhetorical tactic: whatever anyone says you debase and discount by condemning them for not spending all their time weeping over the tragedy of YOUR choice. You never stay on topic, you just try to manipulate by guilt.

I expect you spend a great deal of time around fools, or you would be used to being dismissed.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

192. Obama's pastor? On what planet is Obama's pastor a liar?

Obama's pastor's only problem is that telling the truth is his modus operandus and he pisses people off, particularly people hoping that this gets Hillary Clinton put in the Dem nominee chair so we could get ourselves another 8 years of Repugnicans in the White House, this time in the form of a senile old man who will finish turning us into a 3rd world nation.

[GoldieAZ49]

200. You know not of what you speak Sarah

There is an old saying; better to keep your mouth shut and let people wonder if your a fool than open it and confirm that you are.

You have done so.

you say: In all the countries I've lived in, this is the one where the electorate is the dumbest, really.
Every country you live in is the dumbest electorate because you are in it.


Had you bothered to read the link I posted above, or bothered to educate yourself on history or what Europe was seeing and their concerns on current events in the US, you would not look so foolish.

From the Independent, a UK paper, for your edification:

It is interesting that this seems to have been an unmitigated benefit. Not only has Obama successfully made an appeal to Republicans who viewed other Democrats as godless, but the Left has, by and large, ignored its scruples and refused to criticise its candidate's studied use of specifically Christian language and imagery. As a result, Obama has got away with claims to metaphysical virtue which would have been denounced as medievally idiotic presumption, had they been uttered by a Republican candidate.

To Obama's credit, he does not follow the religious Right in denouncing his opponents as wicked. The worst you can say is that this is implicit in his message, rather than explicit. Nevertheless, there is an underlying strain of intolerance in Obama's message of unification. In his victory speech in Wisconsin last week, he made his usual attack on "special interests". "We must put aside the divisions in Washington. We must work for a higher purpose" – or perhaps that should be Higher Purpose. Yet to stigmatise "divisions in Washington" is just acceptable rhetoric for denouncing the workings of a complex pluralistic democracy. For "divisions" read "disagreement" – or "opposition". Obama, of course, is a democrat as well as a Democrat; but there is something in this form of rhetoric that has echoes of fascism, with its idea that the squabbling of mere politicians should be overthrown in favour of one man's uniquely wise interpretation of the National Will. Phrases such as "everything must be changed" were also the stock-in-trade of fascist orators, raising hopes which ended in the most dreadful disillusionment – and worse.

I think Barack Obama understands this risk. For all the fever of his rallies, his own oratorical style never descends into ranting, still less foam-flecked hysteria. Yet the frenzy he has engendered contains within it the seeds of bitter disappointment, or even tragedy. There is the question of his own physical safety. Less morbidly, what will be the reaction of his supporters if he should fail to be elected President? Perhaps most troubling of all, what will be their reaction if he is elected, but the celestial choirs fail to appear and the world refuses to be perfect?

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-obama-must-beware-of-turning-into-a-cult-787298.html

The world is never going to be perfect, accept it. Obama is never going to be POTUS, accept it.

Obama has divided the democratic party so deeply it will take 'divine intervention' to reunite it, and I doubt it is coming. He has effectively insured a McCain win in November.

A historical election cycle indeed.

Gobama? yes, go away, far far away.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

208. Hillary Clinton is right wing. Repukes will slaughter H. Clinton if she were the nominee.

The sooner she steps out of the way, the better. Otherwise we'll end up with another Repuke in the White House. And this one a senile evil one.

[Mike Daniels]

206. History is usually filtered by someone's point of view regardless of who's telling it

Truly subjective history would be on x date "country y went to war with country b"

Once you get into the "reasons" for the war you start to leave subjective behind. I guarantee you that US and British history books probably differ greatly regarding the reasons behind the War of 1812 (if it's even still taught in history courses) and it's all based on whose side you're viewing it from.

Civil War, WWI and II, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. (other than the dates they happened there's different theories as to why each happened based on whose side you approach it from).

[Mike Daniels]

207. History is usually filtered by someone's point of view regardless of who's telling it

Truly subjective history would be on x date "country y went to war with country b"

Once you get into the "reasons" for the war you start to leave subjective behind. I guarantee you that US and British history books probably differ greatly regarding the reasons behind the War of 1812 (if it's even still taught in history courses) and it's all based on whose side you're viewing it from.

Civil War, WWI and II, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. (other than the dates they happened there's different theories as to why each happened based on whose side you approach it from).

[aquart]

189. You NEVER answer the question.

We know why, right?

[The Night Owl]

60. Pastor Wright is a disgusting religious zealot in the tradition of Jerry Falwell. {EOM}

[billbuckhead]

65. Reverend Wright's sermon was an misogynistic obscenity in the public space

Would you take children to see this?

[stillcool]

86. and you know this how?

You are aware of excerpts from a sermon. And you feel that you have the right to judge a human beings life from that scant bit of knowledge. Karma is a bitch.

[stillcool]

79. Do you have any idea who...

the man is? Have you read anything about his life? Do you judge every human being by excerpts from a sermon? Would you give a shit about what he's been through in his lifetime? Are you offended by other black pastors? Are you aware of other sermons? Do you care that you are making blind judgments of another human being? I have read more posts of what you have said, than I have about Reverend Wright. And yet, I would not call you a bitter, racist, angry, hateful, fearful, vicious white person. I would hope that there is more to the human being you are than the posts I have read.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0703120170mar12,1,1921178.story?coll=chi



To some in Paris, sinister past is back
In Texas, a white teenager burns down her family's home and receives probation. A black one shoves
a hall monitor and gets 7 years in prison. The state NAACP calls it 'a signal to black folks.'
By Howard Witt
Tribune senior correspondent
Published March 12, 2007
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There was the 19-year-old white man, convicted last July of criminally negligent homicide for killing a 54-year-old black woman and her 3-year-old grandson with his truck, who was sentenced in Paris to probation and required to send an annual Christmas card to the victims' family.

There are the Paris public schools, which are under investigation by the U.S. Education Department after repeated complaints that administrators discipline black students more frequently, and more harshly, than white students.

And then there is the case that most troubles Cherry and leaders of the Texas NAACP, involving a 14-year-old black freshman, Shaquanda Cotton, who shoved a hall monitor at Paris High School in a dispute over entering the building before the school day had officially begun.The youth had no prior arrest record, and the hall monitor--a 58-year-old teacher's aide--was not seriously injured. But Shaquanda was tried in March 2006 in the town's juvenile court, convicted of "assault on a public servant" and sentenced by Lamar County Judge Chuck Superville to prison for up to 7 years, until she turns 21.
Just three months earlier, Superville sentenced a 14-year-old white girl, convicted of arson for burning down her family's house, to probation.

[IsItJustMe]

63. The more I hear about him, the more I like him. The crazy white wing nut smear just makes me like

him more.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

76. ME TOO! the more this man gets attacked, the more I pay attention to him and like him!

Isn't that funny?! lol I swear I wouldn't have bothered listening to a damned thing this preacher said till these whites began saying they didn't like him because what he said was "ugly." If this keeps up I might end up studying this man's words.

[Window]

66. I like him, too.

I've listened to his whole sermons, not the cherry-picked sound bytes on TV. I know where he's coming from.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

72. He's truly a great man and a great preacher! I would feel TOTALLY comfortable with him in office,

in fact, because he TELLS THE TRUTH. How often do you find someone that has no fear of telling the ugly truth? Look at the shit Michael Moore has had to endure because he tells the ugly truth no matter what.

[Window]

191. Exactly.

Also, Michael Moore isn't DEAD to the nay-sayers yet. I don't know which candidate he supports, but if it's not Hillary, he'll be dead to them too like Keith Olbermann, et al. LOL!



Peace:thumbsup:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

198. True. Michael Moore does not support Hillary Clinton....

He supports Gore. And you're right. The Clintonistas think they've invented quite a juicy morsel here to get their candidate to Dem nominee. It, too, will fail. Clinton is ancient history.

[shayes51]

73. I'm sorry you feel that way.

[katandmoon]

77. I don't love him -- and how fucking dare you accuse me of having an agenda because I don't

I have no love for any of his ilk, claiming to speak for a god I don't believe in. It's funny enough to me that they believe in an imaginary figure, but it's not so funny that this supreme imaginary being they're channeling sounds -- gee!!! -- exactly like THEM.

The more you trash people for not loving this pastor, the more you make me loathe him, so keep it up.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

148. Actually, you victim-blamers who are attacking Wright for telling the truth

are the ones that made me pay attention to what he has spoken. If not for you victim-blamers, I would've ignored the man for the most part.

[jillan]

78. Hillary Clinton has not said ONE WORD about this so quit your BS

[Balbus]

87. Wright is a piece of shit. My agenda?

I don't like pieces of shit. Well, not all of them, anyway...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

147. Wright told the truth, but that's a piece of shit to you. Interesting. Tells lots about you. nt

[Moochy]

160. hmm

:shrug:
.
.
.

:think:

You work for the Toilet Industry Lobby? :hurts:

[cooolandrew]

91. EXACTLY, let's turn them off let's embrace progressive radio and Olberman...

Support this radio station they are good hearted folk.Supported by contributions headonradio.com

[rodeodance]

93. YOU are LYING--Hillary is NOT involved. SHAMEFUL OF YOU.

[kikiek]

102. Funny..she described herself in the op.

[kikiek]

101. Where is your proof that Hillary is trying to make people hate Obama's minister. Seems he is doing

bang up job on his own.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

146. Actually, tho I have no scientific proof, I can tell you the GOP will go to any lengths to

get Hillary as the Dem primary candidate. She's the only one of the two McCain can beat.

[kikiek]

199. Well that is easily disputed. At any rate history has proven the inflammatory rhetoric that casts

wide nets of mistrust and hate are what causes events like the holocaust. Wright's message is the dangerous one.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

209. That would be equivalent to saying it's dangerous for Jewish people to be casting aspersions at

Nazis.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

104. I Still Can't Get Over How Mind Bogglingly Delusional This Thread Is.

I gotta keep coming back and reading it, because it's grotesque display of warped perception and irrational declaration keep cracking me the fuck up. For real! This has to be one of the most absurd that it's for real threads I've seen in a while. I love it!!!!!!

[TK421]

127. My question is...where the fuck is Rod Serling? I'm expecting him to

walk across my computer screen any second now....

[libbygurl]

109. Good God, did you get some really 'inside insider' info about HRC being involved in..

...'trying to get the population to dislike the pastor'? This story has been reported in the NYTimes and other places before, then FOX aired the videos which were out there being sold to the public... and what has HRC done?

Oh, she said when asked, 'That's really for Sen. Obama to address.' Oh, yeah.

You're very sure of yourself when you say that anyone who doesn't love O's pastor 'has an agenda'. Kindly tell me what mine is.

Perhaps that's the effect you intended, but your hatred is showing - no wonder you love that hate-mongering pastor, ex-advisor to the candidate of 'unity' and 'hope', my ass.

You love the pastor, but what's BO done? Just distanced himself from him and denounced these speeches. So, what's BO's agenda?

[NastyRiffraff]

112. this thread is grotesque

Where to begin? Where the OP declares that anyone who doesn't "love" Wright has an (unnamed) agenda?

Where she blames (of course) Hillary for Obama's clusterfuck?

Where she accuses a respected DU member of being a Holocaust denier?

Here's my agenda: I think anyone who accuses someone she doesn't know of being a Holocaust denier because she disagrees with a stupid OP is crazy.

[libbygurl]

123. Add fascistic, my-way-or-the-highway thinking, too. nt

[Raejeanowl]

118. I Don't Love Anyone Preaching Racial Hatred And Unrest

In that regard, an incendiary preacher like Wright is no better than a KKK mouthpiece to me. They each purport to do wonderful things for their communities, but both ultimately seek to advance their cause by any means necessary.

You can overreach to excuse him any way you wish, claim every word he speaks is the gospel truth, and call me a right winger and a fascist or the follower of right wingers and fascists until you run out of breath. No one decides these things FOR me. I didn't drink the neoconservative Kool-Aid. I don't consider myself to be one of those at all, although I'm sure you're going to come back with an accusation to that effect because you can't handle challenge of your faulty thought process otherwise.

Up is not down just because you say so, or because Obama's need for apologists is growing exponentially every day. How this issue is the result of "right wingnuts," I can't fathom. Hillary's campaign did not create it in the la-bor-a-tor-ee. If his pastor's religious demagoguery weren't a real problem to many Americans-white AND black-and Obama himself had not been caught talking out of both sides of his mouth trying to squash it, this story would have been dead a week ago as originally predicted. Certainly, it was the last thing he needed after the "Muslim" go-round (WHOEVER was REALLY responsible for that) and the Farrakhan renounce-and-condemn sidestep during a debate.

You're welcome to love the man (Wright) to death-but don't villify me or any other Democrat if they demur and consider him a liability to Obama.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

145. Civil unrest is necessary. The opposite of civil unrest is a subjugated, submissive, helpless

society which takes orders from the powerful and is punished for not complying.

[AJH032]

122. Please show me

where Hillary Clinton (not a right winger, but that lie by Obama's supporters doesn't surprise me) is trying "to get the population to dislike the pastor." Please, show me some evidence of that, because that is a lie I cannot accept.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

143. You're right. I'm not in a court of law, I'm not a judge or an attorney, and I'm not in possession

of a forensics lab. It wouldn't be far-fetched, however, to say that the GOP wants only 1 person to run against McCain because it's the one person they can beat and they'll use all the Rovian tactics (including blame-the-victim) to get that person to win the Dem primary.

[AJH032]

184. How is that a response to my question?

I asked for evidence of HIllary trying to turn public opinion against the pastor.

[AJH032]

183. deleted message

[meow mix]

124. i agree, good post

:thumbsup:

[elixir]

125. YOu folks are truly delusional. This guy is a nutbag, crazy assed "uncle" who should be held

accountable for his statements. These are not messages of hope and change, they are messages of despair and old grudges.

[uponit7771]

130. ...and his words weren't Obamas. If the guy was white he wouldn't have this much coverage because of

...the bigoted statements white preachers can get away with.

They NEVER get the attention Obamas paster is getting and that's starting to get insulting.

[LisaL]

133. Yea, just like Ferraro's statement hardly got any coverage at all.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

142. Oh puhleez. Victim-blaming in order to get Hillary a delegate. Sad nt

[LisaL]

129. You can't keep on blaiming Obama's problems on

Hillary.
Obama stayed in that church for 20 years. Obama had Dr. Wright as his spiritual guide. Did he not know what Dr. Wright's views were?
Oprah reportedly left that church years ago, and as far as I know she doesn't have any plans to run for president.
But no, nothing could possibly be Obama's problem or fault.

[uponit7771]

131. Oprah MOVED to Cali does her show in Chi town and if Wright was white or catholic no one would be...

...paying attention.

A message hate of white preachers McCain sought the endorsement of hasn't gotten the attention Wright has gottent

[Sarah Ibarruri]

141. First, why is the preacher even a problem except in the eyes of victim-blamers?

Second, Hillary is desperately trying to win at all costs. She wants the presidency at all costs.

[jackson_dem]

135. Wright has an 8% rating in the real world. 92% of us have an agenda: opposing bigotry

[Sarah Ibarruri]

140. Blaming the victim and accusing the victim of being a victimizer nt

[citizen snips]

167. You don't understand

You will not get a coherent response if you post facts.

[GeorgeGist]

139. God loves him too

even though he's a misleading fool.

[bridgit]

150. Suggesting we must now vote for a guy who's pastor the *RW* finds objectionable...

is a strange position to maintain it seems to me. All this talk that if one doesn't like BO's pastor they are by default then *closet RW's* seems equally flawed.

[Bluebear]

151. Anyone who doesn't LOVE him has an AGENDA?? Holy cannoli, I've seen it all now.

[2rth2pwr]

153. I've read this whole thread and have been very amused

you're acting like a bad parody from the freepers of what A DUer is.

This is some kind of setup right? Candid Camera? Punk'd?

[Snarkturian Clone]

154. You're out of your mind.

Please stop being such a huge embarrassment to we Obama supporters. This thread belongs in the sewer. :puke:

[goodgd_yall]

176. thank god

I needed that (to hear a rational Obama supporter).:hi:

[Zynx]

158. I don't care for him at all. I don't have a secret fascist agenda either.

[Critters2]

163. I'm a colleague of his and I don't love him.

The man has way to much ego for his vocation.

My agenda? Professionalism. Nothing more, nothing less.

[goodgd_yall]

178. Good to hear from someone who actually knows what they're talking about

That's what impresses me---the ego. I think the abuse of office might be a temptation to some of our ministers, pastors, priests, rabbis, etc. who start thinking it's all about them instead of their congregation.

[citizen snips]

166. You have not cited any evidence to back up your claims.

You are also accused 92% of the general public with fascism. I think you need to re-learn what fascism is.

[lynne]

168. Good thing you love him as he might need some lovin' -

- because his hate speech and Obama's willingness to listen to and fund it for 20 years has just cost Obama the election. I bet Hillary loves him, too!

[Breeze54]

170. I don't know him nor do I love him.

He is what he is.

I don't put any weight in religion.

It's all BS AFAICS.

[Bluebear]

172. Then you must have an agenda

:sarcasm:

:rofl:

[Breeze54]

173. GUILTY!!!!

:sarcasm:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:hi:

[K Gardner]

174. Sarah, don't try to argue with the haters.. it takes too much energy.. look

at all the people who DO support Trinity. Lots of us have written our support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5111221&mesg_id=5111221

[robbedvoter]

177. Your candidate threw him under the bus - guess he does have an agenda

Which one do you prefer now? Bo or Wright? They are at odds with each other now!

[bhikkhu]

179. I understand what he is saying, and admire his resume, but

wish him a happy and productive retirement. He is of an older generation that fought in the trenches for our civil rights...but the war is largely done and new perspectives are needed.

[aquart]

185. Bull cookies. Feed it to your friends.

The rest of us have a better sense of smell.

[Texas Hill Country]

201. Wrights comments are the polar opposite to what Barak claims he believes.

They are divisive, the are racist (yes, racist), and they are full of falsehood and error.


I believe in Obama's message. I reject Wright's.


Oh, and everyone has an agenda... even you.

[BigDDem]

203. You love him...?

On your behalf I have emailed the 3 people I know in PA the
YouTube rant of the "reverend." I've asked them to forward
to everyone on their email lists.

No need to thank me.