Bottom Line: No Florida Revote = Blow to Clinton

[jefferson_dem]

Bottom Line: No Florida Revote = Blow to Clinton
17 Mar 2008 08:26 pm

A senior Clinton campaign adviser admitted tonight that the chances for a primary do over in Florida were slim to none.

A re-vote was central to Hillary Clinton's political argument – a “real” win there might have given her a shot to eclipse or meet Obama in the popular vote tallies and bring her, oh, 30 delegates closer in the earned delegate tally.

This is a definite blow to her chances for the nomination.

I still suspect that the DNC may well seat the Florida and Michigan superdelegates -- see here... but there will be no big Florida victory in June for Clinton, no huge ending momentum swing, no big reduction in earned delegates.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/michigan.php#comments

[Johnny__Motown]

1. I think that if they are seated they will only have 1/2 vote each.

[Perky]

10. I thin that Penalizes the Voters and the candidates when the real problem is the FDP

The fairer way to do this is to strip them of their Super Delagates. They do not get to attend. Or at least they do not get to vote for the nomination.

[stahbrett]

24. That's not enough of a disincentive to prevent future blatant disregard of the agreed-upon rules n/t

[Perky]

30. Oh I think you are wrong

It is a huge slap in the face to the Super Delegates to be told thay can't get on the floor of the convention to vote for their choice for nominee.

[thereismore]

2. Well well. Clinton outmaneuvered herself. nt

[Medusa]

7. Hee hee hee hee.

about time something came back to bite her in the ass.

[thereismore]

3. Overtaking the popular vote advantage is becoming a mirage... nt

[Cha]

4. A moment of silence for the Blow to clinton..

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: And a thousand tiny violins playing their stings out.

[rainbow4321]

5. One-two punch against the HRC campaign today then

No revote in Florida and TX tells her to shove her lawsuit threat up her ass.


Yet her charade of actually still being in the game is going on and on and on....

[Cha]

20. This is too much like 2000 when I couldn't

do anything but breathe politics 24/7 anticipating a good ending. Tragic all the forces in Florida that made it possible along with the traitorous 5 to annoit bush.

Now we have hilary fookin' clinton pullin' the same shite only this time we've had experience and she's not takin' over.

[Skip Intro]

6. They should be seated as the voters chose. They must be seated in some manner. The DNC made a big

mistake. This is a mess.

Either we tell FL DEMS we don't give a damn about their votes or we allow their votes to be recorded, their voices heard.

We can't tell our own party in FL to fuck off. The vote broke records. They want to be heard.


They should be seated as are. Cutting the vote of each del by half is probably what will happen. But we can't not seat them in any instance.

[Johnny__Motown]

8. I think the 1/2 vote each is the way it will go, but we won't know until the convention

[wileedog]

12. The FL leadership

told the Democratic party to fuck off. In no uncertain terms they touted their arrogance with "Size Matters" buttons and dared the Party to do something about it when they broke the rules.

To reward that behavior is to invite anarchy next election.

That said, at the end of the day I think you are right they will get seated at half. But the DNC is well within their rights - really their responsibility - to tell FL and MI to go fuck themselves for being arrogant.

Sucks for the voters, it really does. But then it sucks for all of us who have terrible Congressmen and women doing crappy shit in our name too. That's the nature of the beast with our system.

[IowaGuy]

28. The DNC made a mistake?

Florida Dem leadership is where the blame lies for this mess....any other conclusion is an obfuscation of the facts.

[Skip Intro]

31. The DNC painted us into this corner. Bottom line - FL must be seated in some manner.

We cannot tell FL Dems to fuck off.

But yeah, the RNC had the plan to halve the number of dels from states that violated the calendar. Those voters still had a say, not representative, but a say nonetheless. The DNC was not as farsighted. Yeah, I know everyone supported it, but it was a bad rule. I think the DNC was playing chicken with FL. The DNC won that round, but look where it has us. A place we don't need to be. We have three hard choices at this point - seat the delegates as the voters voted (all names were on the ballot, no one campaigned there, except Obama, there was a record turnout), seat the delegates as voted but halve their vote, don't seat FL delegates.

That last option is death in November, and would probably do irreprable harm to the party in that state, and other states paying attention. But seating the delegates violates the rules the DNC put in place. Those rules will have to be violated. Therefore, they were not smart rules. The DNC made a mistake.

[Middle finga]

9. clinton has a new strategy now...mathematically she know she has lost

so her strategy now is to completely destroy Obama.

[IsItJustMe]

13. I think she has made it no secret that she would pick McCain over Obama. I kind of think your right

[dempartisan23]

15. she and mccain are the same

[still_one]

19. No question about it, which is why maybe if it goes to the convention undecided

maybe we can get a new candidate not touched by this. Hmmmmm, GORE?

[EmilyAnne]

11. So any guesses about the repercussions? Lower voter turnout? People switching to

the Republican party? I'm so glad this issue is finally being dealt with once and for all.

[KAZ]

16. Zero, zilch, nada.

[EmilyAnne]

23. I hope you are right and you probably are. Even if a lot of Floridians are upset right now, they

will hopefully come around to seeing that McCain is not an option.

[bvar22]

38. Hopefully, the Florida voters will come to their senses,

and vote OUT the DLC assholes who put them in this situation.

[KAZ]

14. She would lose the re-vote. It's rather obvious. That's why it's not going to happen.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. "Blow to Clinton" - at least Bill has to be happy about that!

[krawhitham]

27. LOL

[still_one]

18. I think there is a real chance this can go undecided to the convention

and after looking at the damage both nominees have done each others, maybe we could get a different choice. Not likely, but hey

[flyarm]

21. there is a legal case now in front of the appeals court in Georgia.

against the DNC..by a man from Tampa..

so don't celebrate just yet.


fly

[tandem5]

22. Bottom Line: No Florida Re-vote and no Delegate Representation = Blow to Voters.

Elections are not just about the candidates and it doesn't matter if Florida changes the overall results. I thought this party was about making sure every vote counts.

[TahitiNut]

25. Solomon didn't show up. The baby died.

It was a FUBAR. It is a FUBAR. It will stay a FUBAR. Bells don't get unrung and Humpty-Dumpty is an omelet.

[QC]

26. Thank you. It means disenfranchising about 10% of America's Democrats,

but a lot of people here seem to think that's a small price to pay for giving their candidate a leg up.

Disgusting.

[wileedog]

29. I don't think it has anything to do with the candidates

Its not letting the states set the rules.

Fl and Mi decided they were bigger than the Republic and the party. They decided their voice should count more. They were going to stick it to anyone who disagreed.

The voters got stuck in the middle of this dumbass powerplay, but it has played out the way it needed to. Once states think they can push the DNC around, the process will become anarchy.

Complain about the rules and change them in the 4 years before we go through this again. That's a legitimate process. But playing chicken and power games in an insanely and vitally important election year is just dumb shit, and they (being the party leadership of those states) got what they deserved.

[tandem5]

32. So what you're saying is its unfair that small groups of both

represented and unrepresented officials decided for millions, but there's nothing we can do about it this election cycle? Just curious, but, do you think it would be unwarranted to choose to abstain from voting in the general because of these unfair rules?

[wileedog]

35. I think it would be stupid

for millions of voters to abstain from voting to prove that..... they need to vote.

Holy shit, Joseph Heller would be proud.

Our representative in Congress and the White House took us to war in Iraq. I damn sure wasn't on board with that, we're you? And yet our sons and daughters pay the price. That's the downside of a Representative Democracy.

[tandem5]

37. So you will vote for Clinton

if the small group of elected and unelected officials that make up the super delegates decide over the popular vote and pledged delegate count and nominate her instead of Obama? I hope this doesn't put you in a catch-22 situation.

on edit: Just like Florida, I don't support this scenario either.

[nolabels]

36. Like that guy at the gas station on California coast says "nobody is holding a gun to your head"....

but of course when they are charging $5.27 a gallon you might want to hold a gun to your own head :crazy:

[meow mix]

34. Florida broke the rules, take it up with the Florida Democrats.

too late to start cryin now

[Forkboy]

33. I know...I'm not comfortable with this at all.

[quantass]

39. She would have lost in any case -- this just makes the Nomination Loss more Embarrassing for her...

which i prefer