Will Obama ask Secret Service to release 7/22 itinerary to show not in both Miami and Chicago?

[papau]

It is not clear whether he might have been able to attend church in Chicago to hear Wrights hate speech before or after flying to Miami for his appearance at the National Council of La Raza.

A writer, Jim Davis, says he attended several services at Senator Obama's church during the month of July, including July 22. The church holds services three times every Sunday at 7:30 and 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. Central time. While both the early morning and evening service allowed Sen. Obama to attend the service and still give a speech in Miami, Mr. Davis stands by his story that during one of the services he attended during the month of July, Senator Obama was present and sat through the sermon given by Rev. Wright as described in the Davis story. Mr. Davis said Secret Service were also present in the church during Senator Obama's attendance. Mr. Davis' story was first published on Newsmax on August 9, 2007. Shortly before publication, Mr. Davis contacted the press office of Sen. Obama several times for comment about the Senator's attendance and Rev. Wright's comments during his sermon. The Senator's office declined to comment.

[still_one]

1. and the swift boaters stand behind their story also /nt

[cali]

2. Why would you believe a freeper- and that's exactly what that creep Davis is-

over Obama? Interesting. To say the least. Perhaps you'd be happier posting where Davis posts.

[kevinbgoode]

3. "Wrights hate speech?"

And didn't you forget to associate Jim Davis with Newsmax?

[scheming daemons]

4. Jim Davis is not "a writer"... Jim Davis is a freeper... using Davis OR newsmax as a source....

means you have no credibility.


The Weekly World News has as much credibility as newsmax.


If you use newsmax to push your agenda, then your agenda is NOT congruent with the Democratic party.


This thread has been put on alert... as stories from newsmax are not allowable sources here.

[kevinbgoode]

Will the White House release phone logs to Pat Robertson?

Robertson claims to have met with Bush on the eve of the Iraq invasion. He also ranted in a televised sermon that the State Department should be nuked. He, along with Jerry Falwell, blamed 9/11 on women, abortionists, the ACLU, and the gays. President Bush heard those remarks. He called Robertson to distance himself from them.

Will the White House release phone logs so that we know that Bush didn't realize beforehand that Robertson engaged in hate speech and was anti-American?

[DearAbby]

5. Does the same speaker speak at all those times

or are there many ministers in this church...fact is that he was in Miami on the date Kestler had stated....that can not be disputed. Now its changed to sometime in July....will then be changed to sometime that year....then be changed to sometime in Obama's lifetime...:eyes:

[NanceGreggs]

6. It would seem logical ...

... that if Mr. Davis is the one claiming, in a public forum and without qualification, that he has his facts straight, then the onus is on him to be able to prove what he is holding out as "fact" as being true - not the other way around.

But by all means, don't let things like "facts" and actual "journalism" stand in your way ...

[kevinbgoode]

7. One would think that Mr. Davis, being so concerned about Obama's church

why...way back last summer. . .would have had his cell phone camera at the ready in the church. You'd also think he wouldn't have kept this important information to himself for so long. . given that conservatives have been desperately trying to get the media to play their claims that the minister is "racist" and "anti-American" for months.

[NanceGreggs]

8. Yeah, you would think, wouldn't you?

But apparently, some people would rather not be bothered thinking at all.

[K Gardner]

37. self delete, posted wrong place !

[anigbrowl]

9. Good grief. Free Republic is that way >>>>>>>>>

1. quotes from external site without giving credit or link
2. deliberately obscures freeper/newsmax origin of story
3. repost of a story that's already been disavowed by publisher
4. idiot writer claims he can't remember if it was morning or evening - says he threw his notes away
5. calls Wright's sermon 'hate speech' without even describing content

Wht a heap of bullshit. You ought to be tombstoned.

[Adelante]

10. Are you kidding me?

This is fucking sick, papau. Shame.

[wileedog]

11. The 7:30 sermon

wasn't done by Wright.

Obama was speaking in Miami at 1:30pm. He could not have possibly been at the 11 a.m. sermon and made a flight to Miami to make that speech. THere is no mention of him flying back for the 6pm, although it seems pretty dubious to say the least.

But by all means lets believe the useless Freeper Newsmax reporter.

This election is so stupid it is mind numbing.

[papau]

25. point is the I never heard defense is not the way to go - a 3 hr flight is 2 clock hours

going from EDT to CDT - so all he need do is leave at 4pm to make the sermon at 6

Better is the approach Obama is taking in tomorrow's speech - different cultures see things differently - and Wright as child of the 60's while he is of the more calm 80's.

[Drachasor]

31. He'd also have to parachute out of the plane if he left at 4pm

[Teaser]

12. wow...there was a time when papau would not be quoting freepers

.

[papau]

18. Jim Davis says he was there - how does one prove him a liar - the SS logs

[Teaser]

20. you make me very sad for what we've lost here

.

[papau]

23. I think Obama understands the weakness of the I never heard defense and tomorrow is

speech is doing different cultures see things differently - and Wright as child of the 60's while he is of the more calm 80's.

[Drachasor]

32. I'm sorry, I thought we decided people were innocent until PROVEN guilty

If Jim Davis wants to say Obama was there, that's fine. But to consider Obama guilty of being there and hearing this supposed speech, Jim Davis has to PROVE IT.

He can't prove, we only have his word and we have no idea how good or bad his word is.

[CatsDogsBabies]

13. Isn't it still legal to attend

religious services? Oh maybe back in the old antebellum days it was illegal for people like Obama to congregate together, but I thought we got that straightened out as a nation. Since when did people in the U.S. need an alibi to prove they weren't in church on a Sunday? It just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.

[IndependentDem]

14. Innocent until proven guilty??...

it seems like the whole innocent until proven guilty thing doesn't apply to shit that is thrown at either candidate... its like someone can make up anything they want and it is up to the candidate to disprove it instead of the accuser to show actual evidence instead of bullshit accusations. but since Obama is all about transparency and everything, he might as well release the records... come to think about it where are clintons tax papers again?

[powergirl]

15. Even Bill Kristol retracted the story - why do you want to believe Newsmax?

Newsmax is a piece of garbage - which has many an unflattering "article" about Sen. Clinton. I don't site or source them because it is Wingnut garbage. But many Clinton supporters on DU use Newsmax as their "go to" source of information. I'm so confused.


:crazy:

[NoodleyAppendage]

16. Ask yourself...why are you so concerned about smearing a fellow Democrat?? n/t

J

[C_U_L8R]

17. Obama doesn't have to prove a thing to these nitwits

Good god there's a whole nest of em around here too.

[Forkboy]

19. Don't be a sucker.

[Hepburn]

21. Oh, please...........

..........GIVE IT UP, OK?

For cripes sake, even Kristol was bright enough to retract on this bullshit. WTF is your problem?

[Tatiana]

22. Ugh. You are... wow. Just wow.

Via DKos:

The Newsmax story has been picked up and repeated -- without fact checking -- by a number of other outlets, including another Newsmax hack, Ronald Kessler,
and even Bill Kristol at the New York Times.

Big problem: Davis's story is flat-out wrong.

Obama wasn't in Chicago on July 22, he was in Miami, http://www.nclr.org/content/news/detail/47386/">speaking to the National Council of La Raza. There's even http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEITOQfKVmo">video of the speech on YouTube, which has been posted since posted since August 7, 2007.

Sunday is a light day for flying. Currently, only United and USAir run Sunday nonstops (one for each airline) from Chicago to Miami, and neither one is at the early-morning time needed to get Obama from the 7:30 service to the 1:30 speech in time.

Now the rats are leaving the sinking ship of the Newsmax story in droves. Bill Kristol appended a note to the top of his column saying "I regret the error."

And even Newsmax itself has backed off the critical facts. First, Kessler now claims that incident described by Davis's may not have been July 22 after all, but only "one of the services he attended during the month of July".

(more...)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/17/161724/906/381/478644

[papau]

24. Point is that it can't be disproved - the I never heard defense is not the way to go - and

tomorrow the Obama speech is not going to be I never heard - instead he is doing different cultures see things differently - and Wright as child of the 60's while he is of the more calm 80's.

[Blondbostonian]

26. Did you ever consider drive time?

It takes an hour on a good day from O'Hare to downtown Chicago.

I know you want Clinton to win but are you going to do it by any means necessary?

[papau]

27. Private jet and Midway? - I actually don't care - point is that I didn't hear is a tough sell

[Blondbostonian]

29. It's a tough sell because you want it to be true.

Try using the critical thinking skills you were born with.

[americanstranger]

36. Why the FUCK do you keep repeating that same lame-ass line over and over?

Do you think you're proving something by repeating the same shit in every post?

Why not go peddle it at FR? Seems like you'd fit in pretty well over there.

You call yourself a Democrat? They'll let any piece of trash into the party nowadays, I swear.

You disgust me.

- as

[Pablitoclavito]

28. Obama should release secret service records

We need to fully vet this man and understand the depth of his connection with Jeremiah Wright, the racist anti-American bigot.

[Swamp Rat]

30. PLOP!

[moobu2]

33. That photo is disgusting

You’re the first person I’ve ever put on ignore so I wont have to see it.

[Swamp Rat]

35. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

:rofl: Thanks so much!!! You made my night!!! :D

[ClayZ]

39. LOL

I have that person on ignore!


That makes me laugh even more!


:rofl: "GDP PLOPAGANDA" :rofl:

Kick

[americanstranger]

34. Another Newsmax Democrat.

You should be ashamed and embarrassed.

- as

[K Gardner]

38. Another Free Republic DemoRat... your transition is complete. Congrats.