A Plague On Both Your Houses

[KingOfLostSouls]

the economy is collapsing before our eyes, violence in iraq is picking up again, the enemy is working to ensure we can be spied upon at a whim....

the american people are losing their jobs, their homes, their health care. they're seeing their sons and daughters, husbands and wives, loved ones all, marched into a black hole of a war based on lies that needs to end. they're seeing their retirements flushed down the toilet and wondering not just if they'll have food to put on the table this next week, but if they'll even HAVE a table left to put it on. we have admirals resigning in protest, worried about a mad man starting WWIII, we have gas prices skyrocketing, the dollar collapsing, and the twilight of the american experience happening not tomorrow, but TODAY.




and two childish campaigns can only think of he said/she said.



seriously, at this point it can be summed up simply with this


a plague on both your houses.

[Muttocracy]

1. the same phrase has crossed my mind

except I'm not sure I share the same house or neighborhood or even planet with some of these folks.

[KingOfLostSouls]

12. one of Joe's best qualities

and I do think this might have cost him the nomination, was he was unwilling to destroy his opposition. I mean lets be honest, joe could have utterly dismantled obama or clinton in the debates. but he chose not to put them down to make himself look better. if he had been more aggressive and campaigned against them instead of against the republican'ts, maybe he'd have gotten more brownie points.


but whenever I'd see him in interviews, he'd refuse to denigrate the others to make himself look better. thats really missing now when its most needed.

[jillan]

22. I know what you mean. That used to drive me crazy about him.

I remember one debate he went after Hillary. He was smooth as silk, you had to listen carefully to what he said to realize how hard he hit her. But then he immediately praised her. And I remember thinking - Joe! you should have stopped after the insult.

That's probably why alot of people never took him seriously and thought he was only running to be SoS. He was everybody's friend and wanted to stick to only the issues. That sounds so good right now.

[CatsDogsBabies]

2. On NPR

today they did a segment where they polled people about the number of casualties in the war. It was a Philadelphia station. One of 3 people knew the number was around 4000. But the general gist of the story was that people weren't that interested in the war. I think people are tired and starting to feel anxious about the economy.

[Muttocracy]

23. I wish people would figure out the links between the two

The obscene sums spent in Iraq are limiting progress in Afghanistan, have handicapped our foreign policy elsewhere (no more deterrent), and imagine if all that money went to schools, roads, health care. Biden used to talk about the math there - that's why getting out of Iraq sensibly and in an organized way was his first priority - until that is fixed we don't have money to work on domestic issues other than borrowing more money from overseas, and I bet China and other nations have had about enough of that.

[Johnny__Motown]

3. Shouldn't that quote be " A POX on both your houses? not that I am a Shakespearian scholar

anyways, picking our next leader is fairly important

[KingOfLostSouls]

6. I agree

which is why its both saddening and sickening how juvenile that process has become.

[Johnny__Motown]

17. True, the sooner it ends the better for everyone.It looks like this goes till June, maybe August

[ProgressIn2008]

4. Yep, pretty much - I don't think either camp cares about a damn thing except their team winning

They use every talking point in the book, right down to dead Iraqi babies, to get what they want.

Do they all think they're not going down with ship, like the rest of us?

[walldude]

5. K&R for unity...

here's my unity thread posted in response to a ahem, another thread.

Hopefully your will travel farther than mine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5130176

[sandnsea]

7. *sigh*

And then one a candidate tries to stay focused on the issues, and not engage in the petty attack games, he gets labeled a coward and is blamed for all the problems that resulted from his inability to answer an attack.

People don't know what the hell they want.

[olkaz]

8. Sowwy, we'll pway nice.

It's called politics, and it's how things get done. I'm not going to apologize for being involved.

[CreekDog]

9. how about boils?

locusts?

[lastknowngood]

10. you are speaking truth to power

n/t

[KingOfLostSouls]

11. I know

I don't remember the 2004 process being nearly this divided. I was, and still am, a proud Deaniac. but I don't think there was ever the level of vicious backstabbing around here then as there is now. even when we didn't want kerry, we still said we'd support him, you know?

which is kinda scary that we were more dignified and unified during a campaign we lost to bush than we are now. it makes me fearful for the fall.

[JVS]

13. And on your house as well as your high horse.

Most of us would have preferred this primary to have ended long ago, but it didn't and that's just tough shit.

[IndependentDem]

14. K & R for unity and remembering what is important

[Steely_Dan]

15. An Important Post...

and a subject I was going to write on myself. Just like with our Infotainment Society, the bickering between the two remaining camps has taken center stage in our "Short Attention Span Theater" mentality.

I am so fucking pissed off right now. I cannot believe that we have settled for the two least electable candidates with both inherent and earned baggage. Joe Biden is a statesman that put our country first. Remember when he said "there are some things worth losing an election over."(?) This told me that he put his country first. In stark contrast, we have two people that lust for power and feel entitled.

My disappointment in the caucus system is only surpassed by my disappointment in the American people.

We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.

-P

[jillan]

16. k & r for the King

and the other Bidenites on this thread.

What I wouldn't give to know what Joe is thinking these days about
how this primary season has gone.

[girl_interrupted]

18. K&R

[undergroundpanther]

19. Sekhmet

Is the one to call for plagues..In ancient Egypt she was the ultimate bad ass goddess,and to drive that point home, some of her statues had anthrax smeared upon it.

The stupidity that everyone is distracted by seems so insignificant compared to what is going down in reality,maybe that is why people keep on with this crap,because reality is far too scary and if they thought about it too much they'd lose it. Seems people are bad at( for the most part)at dealing directly with the tough real life shit,like stuff they can't control,or the fact of being put in the position of being powerless regardless of who's elected or who isn't the results will be the same,Screwed.Add onto this,that discomfiting cognitive dissonance and the dreaded uncertainty that seems to be ignored more often than not, but felt by all,and experienced by many.

To deal with the truth of what is happening all around us we need each other,and need to be there with each other more than ever.
Solidarity,and than a united cry for justice.. The most dread fear of those who abuse power.
BTW rec.# five to you.

[pointsoflight]

20. Seems like it's the supporters, not the campaigns themselves.

[undergroundpanther]

21. I think people are scared deep down

And fighting with someone on a keyboard is easier than reaching out and offering and building solidarity with all the little islands out there,trust is so hard to do in this alienated and frustrated culture. So solidarity is harder. Taking a swipe at the abusers of power with such force that would really change things for us all down here .. seems impossible to so many,so they bet on a horse race,as if that will open the door to them having power in their lives .So they bicker,because it's easy.And that bickering makes sure we get the same result: Screwed over again by the powers that be,and who is elected is still the same old PTB.Beholden to the same interests that are not 90% of OUR interests.

[Muttocracy]

24. you make good points - people would rather entertain themselves

with trivia than face the boring but important stuff going on - and the media follows what increases ratings. Meanwhile, people with money, power, whatnot, can get away with things because noone is paying attention or willing to stick their necks out. The last few years are making me feel like I just need to get away from the keyboard fights and get out in the world and do some good :hi:

[Orsino]

25. ...and kudos to whichever candidate drops the BS to address serious issues. n/t