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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:10 PM
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A controversial move to help Obama win...
It seems to me, that "Big Dog" keeps injecting himself into the campaign--no matter how HRCs handler try to keep him out. He is being sold to us as 1/2 of the "Two for One" deal that HRC is offering us.

I believe it is therefore more than fair to ask the question, when the 3 a.m. call comes in, will HRC nudge Bill, or make the decision herself. How deeply will she involve Bill in policy, daily workings of the White House--and why is this necessary for someone who is "ready on Day One"?

I would comment on how Bill would handle the topics and issues of the day. Since we're getting a "two-fer", it's logical to anticipate that how Bill would handle it, is how Hillary would handle it, unless disabused of that notion by HRC.

This does two things--it cuts however much of Bill's coat-tails that HRC is trying to ride, and finally, FINALLY gets her to detail how she will deal with the issues that matter to Americans most--without hoping we just "reminisce about the good old days", and forget the "inside baseball/inside joke/cool kids club", triangulating, sometimes too cozy relationships that Clintonian politics fosters.

Nomex suit donned.

Duke
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:35 PM
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1. The Clinton years were the best in America's history
Sadly, the good is the arch enemy of the perfect.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:46 PM
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3. Really? You should go talk to a poor, black single mother
You may get a different perspective.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:58 AM
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15. hyperbole doesn't help make your case
and is hilly billy, or not? Make up your freakin' minds
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:53 AM
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17. They're a team and always have been
What times were better for all Americans?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:45 PM
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2. Hell
If Obama had Bill in bed with him at 3am --I'd vote for Obama.

:shrug:
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:48 PM
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4. Hillary has Bill in bed next to her? Not joking. They spend like 1 weekend a month together
According to an article written a year or so ago. I'm not making the "Bill is out chasing tail" joke. They are 2 independent people who apparently live apart due to scheduling.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:52 PM
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7. I was responding to the OP's premise.
He posited the scenario.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:51 PM
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5. Like she would say to Bill at 3:00 a.m.
Bill: Who called?

Hillary: None of your damn business!

It's a two-fer alright. :):P
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:51 PM
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6. And the flames are coming from both directions...
First of all, the two-fer is the best thing she's got going for her - and she knows it. She doesn't have to parade Bill around - everybody knows who her husband is. That's the only way she can get away with talking about being "ready on day one" and not have people rolling in the aisles with laughter.

Second of all - why even go there? Besides if probably backfiring, it's a cheap shot that appeals to sexist attitudes - same as Wright w/ racist attitudes - and honesly I don't want to see McCain being the only above-board candidate of the race.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:09 PM
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8. If I'm basing my bona fides/qualifications...
...from having a former president on hand with me in the WH, it seems a fair and legitimate line of questioning.

I'm still trying to figure out the calculus that allows people to morph that into a charge of "sexism". It plays just as well with a male candidate hawking the fact that his wife was president before.

Duke
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:32 PM
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11. Im not too sure....
a two-fer is a good idea, Bill Clinton or anybody?

Bill did some good things for this country and some not so good. I don't think the notion really gives the average American goosebumps and a warm and fuzzy. Fair enough, it's funny to tease about the 3:00 am phone call but the way everything Hillary always has the overshadow of Bill just rubs people funny.

It's almost like a 56 year old man showing up at a job interview at a large firm, with his mother? Just from the shock value. I am not comparing the two situations. I'm sure they love each other and Bill wants to help but it's not unfair for people to get an uneasy feeling. It's like self centered, micromanagement run amuck?

I mean no disrespect BTW. I have a host of other issues with Hillary's platform and campaign tactics, this isn't one of them.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:53 AM
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14. It is a plus...
and I honestly don't know why she's running away from it.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:17 PM
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9. If the Clintons are personally responsible for every yellow-ass,
punk tutu'd Democrat who couldn't come up with the stones to fight the Republican bastards, then I submit the Clintons are personally responsible for everything GOOD that happened in that time period, too.Bartcop

I really think the reason that the Clintons are attacked is because they are winners. That's why Bill is attacked and slurred as a racist when he is clearly not and Hillary is labeled as "polarizing" when she is not.

It reminds me of a line from "Gladiator". The black gladiator is talking to Maximus (Russell Crowe) and says "you have a famous name ..they will have to destroy your name before they can destroy you". They are trying to destroy the Clinton name in order to diminish the couples' strength.Yes, that's why the whore media wants Obama.


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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:24 AM
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12. What has she won....
when her campaign tactics have fractured the Democratic Party. The nomination? Whoop-ee!

Someone might want to hear what the people are saying about negative campaigning.

They are fed up with it and so is about 1/2 of the Democratic Party. What she has pulled out of her sneaky bag of tricks, and what she has tried to do to this young man's campaign is reprehensible, especially what she said about McCain and her experience trumping Obamas.

Obama, for the most part, has tried to keep his campaign above board. I haven't heard a mistake he has made yet he didn't admit. These half baked, flimsly, watered down excuses she continues to give for mistakes aren't flying. But, you can count the delegates and see that, can't ya?


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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:24 PM
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10. Are sure Hillary can get him a security clearance?
After all he has been indited on what is "is"
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:27 AM
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13. Are you really for Obama? This helps Hillary. I want Bill more than Hillary or Obama.
If his name suddenly appeared on the ballot, America would vote for him overwhelmingly.

Come one, keep reminding America that he will be there at 3 am to help Hillary deal with the crises. That will really help Obama.

:rofl:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:13 AM
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16. I woud say Baracks rapid response to al atttacks make us safer. The campaigns define them.
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