Did Hillary Clinton win Michigan fair and square?

[BuyingThyme]

Poll question: Did Hillary Clinton win Michigan fair and square?

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As for Michigan, {Bill} Clinton said he thinks his wife won fair and square there despite hers being the only first-tier Democratic candidate name on the ballot.

“In Michigan, she won, and there was a very determined local effort to get people to vote against her and for uncommitted. But the other candidates voluntarily took their names off the ballot, I think, trying to help themselves in Iowa and because they knew she was going to win Michigan. … So I don’t know what is going to happen. It is sort of above my pay grade. I have no — I’m not involved in the negotiations between the campaigns,” he said.

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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/17/bill-clinton-african-americans-naturally-drawn-to-obama-candidacy/

[adoraz]

1. clearly no

[flpoljunkie]

33. Hear Hillary herself on the validity of the Michigan primary...

Interviewer: So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, "Hey, Michigan, I'm off the ballot."

Hillary: "Well, you know, it's clear this election is not going to count for anything."

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=zydzt

[JVS]

2. She didn't cheat at all. But its also an invalid contest. So she won all zero delegates fair+square

Now asking for them to count it as a valid contest is not desiring to play by the rules.

[Johnny__Motown]

3. She pledged to not participate in.... clearly she participated

[Zynx]

4. Impossible to make that argument.

[grantcart]

5. I ve got 7 time shares to sell those voting yes

[BuyingThyme]

6. Tahoe?

[pocoloco]

9. Wouldn't it make you feel bad to take advantage of them??

Not really fair.

[grantcart]

13. It would make me feel absolutely terrible to take their money as I am absolutely sure

that Hillary would be just well beside herself with tepid feelings of regret should their schemes actually work.

[sfam]

7. Absolutely! And she woulda won the rest of the states fair and square if she was the only nominee..

She should have a new strategy - convince Obama to take his name off. Then all she has to do is win the uncommitted vote.

[tyedyeto]

10. ROTFLMFAO n/t

[sandnsea]

8. Why is anybody supporting these lying rat bastards

Everybody knew FL & MI wasn't going to count. What kind of conscience do people have when they can just overlook someone lying about elections, the very basis of our democracy.

[BuyingThyme]

11. On Fox no less!

[CoffeeCat]

17. Why is this even a question?

To even ask this question is to legitimize blatant and despicable arguments that somehow Michigan
counts--when all parties agreed pre-primary--that it wouldn't count--and knowing the ballot only included
two candidate names.

I'm so fucking sick of the Clintons dragging our party into the shitbox.

To watch as members of the Democratic party--justify and rationalize the behavior of the Clintons
is very surreal and sickening.

[Drachasor]

24. Makes you have a little more understanding for how screwed up the Republicans are because of Bush

IMHO.

[ossman]

12. I heard that the only reason her name stayed on the ballot was due to late withdrawal paperwork

Anybody else hear this? She keeps saying that everybody else chose to take their names off, but she left her's on. WTF?

I voted uncommitted. I think its pretty sad to only beat uncommitted by 10%.

[BuyingThyme]

14. I think Dennis Kucinich may have filed too late, but I don't

know if Hillary Clinton used that excuse at the time. I think it was more of a "didn't bother" kinda deal. (Just by memory.)

[casus belli]

27. It would be hard for her to say she tried...

when she is on record as saying that Obama took his off, and therefore she shouldn't be penalized for his choice.

[PerfectSage]

15. According to Bill, it depends on what the meaning of the word 'and' is.

Gobama!
Go Dean's 50 State Strategy!
Go Grassroots!

[SunsetDreams]

16. Question...

If it were the other way around and Barack had "won" MI and Fl, would she be pushing for the delegates to be seated?

Would she be insisting that voters were being disenfranchised by not seating them?

Hmmmm I have my answer. Do you?

[izzybeans]

18. How he can say that with a straight face is beyond me.

His sense of entitlement is showing. The Lord Clenis hath spoken, bow down and believe every word you loyal servants you.

[BuyingThyme]

19. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5124372

[izzybeans]

20. nice link

[LordJFT]

21. it's ridiculous that some people here are delusional enough to vote yes

[Bread and Circus]

22. My 7 year old is more intelligent than 15% percent of DU'ers that took this poll....

My wife and I tested her on the basic premise of "fairness" as would be involved in such a vote and she clearly understands it's not fair. It's not a political issue, it's an issue of common sense.

[Window]

23. HELL no.

[better tomorrow]

25. she didn't run against anyone....

Obama wasn't even on the ballot....

[donheld]

26. I liked Bill Clinton at one time

He's gone out of his way to end that.

[Swamp Rat]

28. Same here.

He gave a speech recently just a few blocks from my house. I didn't bother to get up from this chair to go hear him and say hello.

[Eurobabe]

29. Hell NO! The Clintons and their goddamn self-centered interpretations!

I now officially despise Bill Clinton.

[Iceburg]

30. She won in spite of the boyz trying to FIX the contest (link)

Dirty tricks and collusion

[Usrename]

31. How do you think they managed to pull this off?

I don't understand HOW Obama, Edwards, and the others conspired to keep her name on the ballot.

Do you really believe this conspiracy theory?

[Usrename]

32. Wow, we have our own 14% that are kool-aide drinkers.

:wow:

who woulda thunk it?

[DemVet]

34. Of course she did. Obama was "misguided" in taking....

...his name off the ballot in the first place.

[ButterflyBlood]

35. Michigan's election was about as vaild as one in Zimbabwe

Hillary has as much claim to legitimacy in her victory there as Mugabe does.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. Obama told his supporters to vote "uncommitted" and they did

[mathewsleep]

37. how in the hell did 27 people vote yes?

are they blind? no offense to the gov of new york.