Does Hillary inspire you when she gives a speech?

[cliffordu]

I mean, does she make you want to be a better person, to make your life about lifting up others or just being on the winning team?

[GhostofSandpiper]

1. She inspires me

To change the channel.

[TML]

3. She inspires me

To make snide remarks and laugh at her.

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[jobycom]

4. Yes. nt

[JimGinPA]

5. Yeah, In A Sphincter-Clinching, Bile-Gagging Kind Of Way

:puke:

[cliffordu]

7. Can you please just tell us how you feel and stop fooling around with

decorum?????

:rofl:

[bhikkhu]

6. Not so far, or ever.

I would admit that I would rather have competence than inspiration from a president, but I am hoping for both from Obama.

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. Not in the slightest. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. No, and that's her appeal. I want a president, not a motivational speaker

Inspirational political leadership is usually a bad thing.

It is beneath the dignity to which our Constitution aspires.

[cliffordu]

12. Yeah, Roosevelt was a deadbeat.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. The word "usually" is found in all the best dictionaries

[cliffordu]

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[cliffordu]

33. RE: It is beneath the dignity to which our Constitution aspires.

And you don't think the framers of the Constitution were inspiring speakers???

Usually, I mean??



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[papau]

44. the quality of her solutions inspires those with background in the problem area

[me b zola]

58. "...those with background in the problem area"

Could you please expound upon that, I truly don't understand what you are trying to say.

[anonymous171]

10. Not to be sexist or anything, but she does kind of remind me of my Mother.

I have a good relationship with my mom though so it's OK.

[Skoods]

11. Yes

Everytime she gives a speech I love it...she's a brilliant woman. Obama's voice and consistently arrogant tone makes me change the channel every time he speaks.

[emilyg]

29. Yep.

She inspires me.

[goldcanyonaz]

13. Yes, she does.

[napoleon_in_rags]

14. No, to her credit I don't think that's her appeal.

She comes across as a realist presenting her policies. Its not inspiring like Obama, but she comes across as solid.

[ecstatic]

15. Before 2/17, the inspiration she generated was a function of what she represented

Of course that mask has been ripped off and I no longer view her that way.

[last1standing]

16. No, but then neither does Obama.

None of the other candidates inspired me, either. I was looking for someone who could get us out of the mess we're in so inspiration didn't really matter to me. Now that my choice, Edwards, is out, I've gone with the candidate who is not using scorched earth politics to ensure that a Democrat can't win in November so I'm voting for Obama.

[Arugula Latte]

17. If George W. Bush is a 10 on the scale of "oh crap I can't get to the remote fast enough to switch!"

then I'd say Hillary is about a seven or an eight ... I really can't listen to her. She always sounds so phoney to me. It's painful.

[Laurab]

43. For me, a nine - and it's sad. I used to like her.

I can't watch her, and she's done it all by herself. With every lie, every dirty campaign trick, I disliked her more and more. I hate deceit and dishonesty, and that's what I see when I see her now. Somehow, these days I'm almost immune to shrub, although I admit, I only see him when Jon Stewart, or Colbert show clips. But, I do find myself feeling the EXACT same way I used to when he was on, when I see Hillary.

Inspire me, no - she frightens me.

[Arugula Latte]

48. Sadly, I agree.

I really would prefer to be of the well-I-like-both-candidates-but-I-like-one-a-bit-more ilk. But ... no can do. Hillary has just increasingly pissed me off, and then pissed me off some more.

[bling bling]

18. She inspires me to want to lift up others, yes.

Lift up her supporters OUT of the Clinton fog and into awareness about who the Clintons really are fighting for (themselves).

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. She inspires me to change the channel

Aw, I kid the Senator from New York. I love her.

Her fanatic squad on these boards, eh, not so much. But the Senator's alright in my book.

As far as her speeches, she reminds me of the kid who studied too much, and has a whole array of facts and figures, but no schema organizing or presenting them. So there's a droning quality to it, as she struggles to pull out another fact or figure - sometimes apparently at random - and then circles back for another, and another. She'll often do this "Oh yeah, and I almost forgot" move, as if THAT fact or figure will consolidate the whole. It doesn't. She also has very little sense of rhythm, of crescendo. As a rhetorical matter, she doesn't need help with invention, but with arrangement, style, and delivery. The mistake of the fanatical Clintonites is to think that only the first is important.

In my view, you are not inspired BY a speech, but inspired WITH a speech. The speech isn't something that comes out of the mouth of the active speaker, and lands on a passive audience. It is co-created in the middle, as it were, between the speaker and audience. The Clinonites are rationalists; they believe in the Shannon and Weaver model of mathematical communication. That's great for the electronic signal, but doesn't map on to human all too easily. Because Clinton can't really strike the notes that allows co-creation of the speech, her supporters scream that any other model is "all style," "a cult," or "rank emotionalism." Whichever, it's all the same critique, as old as Socrates chiding Gorgias, and no more persuasive today.

[Hoof Hearted]

21. Consistently. She is always inspiring.

[McCamy Taylor]

22. Yes, she makes me want to go out and do good things for people.

[Ysabel]

24. hell fucking no...

n/t

[izzybeans]

25. Sometimes, like anyone else.

[lligrd]

26. She Inspires Me To Yell "WTF Were You Thinking On That IWR

vote? Why did you let this happen and do nothing? Fool me once shame on you."

[silverweb]

27. She gives me a headache.

That doesn't make me happy, but it's true.

[moobu2]

28. I'm not looking for a hero to rescue me

and I’m not the mob type, so someone who’s been practicing in front of a mirror, for probably decades, like Baarack has, and is reading words written by someone else, telling me what I want to hear, is not going to do shit for me. I’m suspicious of overly charismatic manipulative people like Barack too. Hillary's just fine.

[Jed Dilligan]

30. No

She's like every boss I ever tuned out during a boring staff meeting. I kind of wake up a little when the words seem relevant to me, which is maybe 10% of the time.

[housewolf]

31. No, No, No....

I really can't bear to listen to her campaign speeches. I can listen to her at the debates or when she is just talking, but I gotta turn her off when her speeches come on.

After 8 years of being unable to listen to GWB, how oh how could I possibly take 4-8 years of another president I can't bear to listen to????? It's horrible, because these people are in your house and in your car EVERY single damned day... grrrrrrrrr....

[ruggerson]

32. Well just be thankful Randi Rhodes isn't running

[Forkboy]

34. No politician has ever inspired me in my 40 years.

Though some are really cool. But in the end I'm far more inspired by everyday people finding ways to get through their lives while remaining true to themselves and good ideals.

[saltpoint]

35. She's the Seroquel of Little Rock.

[Swamp Rat]

42. Or for some, the reason it is necessary.

[saltpoint]

45. : ) (Old Crusoe grins wickedly before wishing Swamp Rat a warm howdy.)

[Swamp Rat]

50. Way'at OC!

:hi:

"Way'at." That's how we say "hello" in N'walins. :D

[saltpoint]

51. Way 'at -- I like it.

Now on this image of Bush and the Third Reich.

Maybe I'm just reading too much into things, but I'm picking up a hint of Anti-Bush bias in your posts, Swamp Rat.

It's late, and I'm free-basing through the lab, but even so, if one didn't know better, one might think you didn't LIKE the president!

[Swamp Rat]

52. That pic is of "McHitler," as in insane in the membrane McCain.

:D

[saltpoint]

53. The 'Evil' image on the right there is genuinely terrifying more than

just the "opposite" of 'Good.'

Over the top for an American political media spot, but pretty close to the truth nevertheless.

[americanstranger]

63. That's McCrazy?

Dude, I coulda sworn it was Johnny Carson..

My eyes must be failing me....

- as

[Swamp Rat]

68. Yep, it's McNuts.

[JVS]

36. no

[boppers]

37. No.

She reminds me of a teacher encouraging me to make the best finger-turkey-drawing ever, like I'm some moron who can't possibly grasp international politics, but she'll somehow make it better.

The patronizing matron: Hillary.

[ORDem]

38. Yes, she inspires me to go drive the porcelain bus. n/t

:puke:

[IndependentDem]

39. unfortunately not. but that not her thing, she does make me think though. n/t

[Jane Austin]

40. No.

I've tried, but I can't listen to her. My mind wanders and I realize I haven't been listening. I guess she's just boring to me.

I also find her flat pronunciations disharmonious, and she seems to say "hard" several times a speech and it's one of her worst-sounding words.

[Emillereid]

41. NO! She's a boring speaker.

[BuyingThyme]

46. I'm usually embarrassed for her.

Sometimes she manages to make it out of that shell that keeps her from remembering how real people talk, but usually it's just embarrassing.

[New Dawn]

47. No!

[americanstranger]

49. No, she doesn't - and it's sure as hell a mystery to me.

I met her a few years ago, and she seemd to be a genuinely nice person. I was at the 2003 State Of The Union address, and I met Conyers, Stabenow, Teddy Kennedy and a host of other high-caliber Dems, and Hillary Clinton seemed the most at ease with people out of all of them. The dinner I attended was with Malloy, Cenk from Young Turks, and Randi Rhodes (along with pretty much every other liberal broadcaster in the country - this was when Air America was still being planned), and I remember speaking to Randi and she was blown away by how nice Hillary was.

Why that doesn't translate to her speeches, I have no idea. But her speeches, honestly, leave me cold. They are her Achilles Heel as a campaigner, IMO.

- as

[Diane R]

54. She inspires me to donate more money to Obama.

[kdpeters]

55. Quite the opposite. She inspires cynicism in me.

Edwards, Kucinich, Gore and Obama are inspiring when they speak. They all offered something different, honest, and free of any equivocation on Iraq. For whatever reason, Hillary simply shows no sign of learning from her mistakes and seems mostly worried about mitigating how much they will hurt her. I also found her to be VERY patronizing during the LOGO debate on GLBT issues as well as in her LBJ/MLK reference in South Carolina.

[better tomorrow]

56. unfortunately, she doesn't.....and I hate when

she just keeps shaking her head.

And, I love when her hair isn't done.....she looks so...."normal"....but she needs it styled differently for those days when she doesn't shower. You rarely see Nancy Pelosi without coiffed hair so come on, Hillary, you can do it, too.

BTW, check out McCain's ring around the collar on his neck. It is SO noticeable at times. I wonder how often HE showers.....

[PseudoIntellect]

57. She inspires me, though I tend to see through that smile sometimes.

[HopeforChange]

59. F NO

[HopeforChange]

60. She mostly makes me want to puke

[better tomorrow]

61. here you go

:puke:

[amborin]

62. she inspires me, she's so articulate, informed, fluent in the ins and outs of issues and policies

[better tomorrow]

64. and tied to the shadow government

[Eurobabe]

65. She inspires me to hurl, does that count?

:puke: :puke:

[better tomorrow]

67. twice!

[thoughtcrime1984]

66. ONLY HER CONCESSION SPEECH

[NickMorgan]

69. No, she sounds like a third-tier actor's audition for a part in Mr. Roger's Neighborhood

werd

[Window]

70. No. Cannot stand her voice(s). Wish she'd just STFU.

[TheDonkey]

71. I feel like I'm being lectured to death.

[better tomorrow]

75. like when she lectured Obama like a Mama?

[dkf]

72. She sounds like the Peanuts teacher to me. wah wah wah wah wah.

Talk about boring...she is a snoozer.

[aquarius dawning]

73. yes. absolutely.

[ClayZ]

74. No

[barack the house]

76. It's a good question Barack is reaching to our better angels to make a better nation

[Utopian Leftist]

77. Not that I know of. n/t

[NDambi]

78. Her speeches are like that Royal Bank of Scotland Commercial...anybody know it?

The man drones on and on..people look bored, start falling asleep, fly buzzes around, the young man holding the flag passes out...and then another young man stands up and says "the end" to cut him off...

lol

That's Hill's speeches to me...