New campaign strategy for BOTH candidates! what do you think?

[IndependentDem]

Both Clinton and Obama should start running adds attacking McCain while making the case that they are the stronger GE candidate. This way they will stop bashing one another and start putting the heat on McCain while still working towards the nomination... I bet McCain and the republicans would be caught off guard and then they would have to start running adds against both Clinton and Obama.

just a thought.
:shrug:

[napoleon_in_rags]

1. Ever heard of the Prisoner's Dilemma?

That's the problem here. If the both corporate, they win. But if one defects, s/he wins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma

[kennetha]

2. They should agree now on a "co-presidency"

Of course, one has to be VP and the other gets to be POTUS. They should flip a coin. winner is Prez. Loser gets to choose half the cabinet as compensation for being the VP.

[IndependentDem]

4. how about a little Roe sham boe ? 2 out of 3 live on c-span!! n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

7. And gets free ice cream and a pony.

[IndependentDem]

3. wouldn't that force both of them to play along? or am i missing something? n/t

[napoleon_in_rags]

5. Its a little more complicated.

Because if they decide to cooperate and the other one doesn't, the cooperator loses the primary, where s/he might have won if s/he had decided to attack instead.

The original has two prisoners who committed a crime together. The cops must make them confess, but there are no witnesses. So they separate them and make a deal to each one. They can go free if they confess but their partner doesn't. If its the other way around, he gets 10 years and his partner goes free. If they both confess, 5 years each. If neither confesses, the both get 6 month for something else they did. Which do you choose? It depends on whether or not you can trust your partner, which is the issue here.

[IndependentDem]

6. yeah i read that and i see your point....

im just not sure if it applies here, i think they both will also still be "silently" campaigning against each other anyways. im not really proposing that they work together, just change their focus on a common enemy. but i get what your saying, thanks for the input!

[Drachasor]

9. Well, that also requires each prisoner knowing the potential consequences of each action

I don't think Hillary understands that things would be better for her in the long run if both cooperated. She certainly knows she'd lose the primary though.

[napoleon_in_rags]

11. I think she knows it, but doesn't trust Obama.

Not to come out against her. When she floated the idea of a joint ticket, he hit her back with the second place comment, rather than saying he would like her as VP. She has reason to think that he has no use for her, so she's going down fighting even if it brings him down.

[Drachasor]

13. Wow. She proposed he be her VP (he's winning), and this after she said he didn't pass the CinC test

She said McCain did pass the CinC test though, effectively endorsing McCain over Obama.

Just how many levels of crazy would Obama have to have to accept that offer? He had to give a complete refusal. And having her as his VP just hurts his ticket -- you get the best of Obama and the worst of Hillary, honestly (in terms of the negatives and republican rallying effect Hillary brings to the table). Should Obama have lied and pretended he wanted her on his ticket? She'd have tried to turn that into a promise and it would have gotten messy. I really feel Obama basically had no choice on how to respond given how Hillary set things up.

[napoleon_in_rags]

15. Can you give me a source for your first statement?

That "She proposed he be her VP"? If so, things would become pretty clear for me. All I heard is that Bill Clinton talking about a joint ticket...If she said that, it would really surprise me.

[Drachasor]

17. Here you go

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4394015&page=1

"Well, you know, that may be where this is headed." Clinton said. "But of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Obama's response when asked about this:

"You know, we are just focused on winning this nomination," he said. "That's my focus. And you know, I've said before I respect Sen. Clinton as a public servant. She's a tenacious opponent. I think it is very premature to start talking about a joint ticket … right now."

Pelosi said the idea couldn't work anymore, given how Hillary effectively endorsed McCain over Obama. Obama just said it was premature to talk about it. Obama did talk about it more later, after talk about him as the VP candidate continued, at that point he said it was silly for the 2nd place candidate to propose he be the VP and she be the President.

[napoleon_in_rags]

19. Thanks. I still interpret Obama's statements as a rejection of a joint ticket of any kind.

Of course, if asked, Hillary is going to claim that she should be on top of the ticket, so rejecting them as audacious, which he did, is different in my mind than just claiming HE should be on top of the ticket. Her statements about McCain don't help things of course. I guess my point is that each feels pretty burned at this point, and its unlikely that there will be a high degree of cooperation.

thanks again for taking the time to find that.

[Drachasor]

8. Hillary won't do that. She tried that and it didn't work (e.g. it didn't give her victory)

That's the sad truth.

[IndependentDem]

10. when did she try that?

my memory is pretty shitty but i don't recall seeing a Clinton vs McCain add.

[Drachasor]

12. Before they decided to use the Kitchen Sink strategy, they mostly focused on attacking Republicans

Admittedly much of it was before McCain was a certain winner. They found that not attacking Obama wasn't working for them.

Well, they also did a lot of policy talk as well. (Now I am not saying either said was 100% perfect, but Hillary's camp was much cleaner back then).

[IndependentDem]

14. yeah thats right.-- it just seems like soooo long ago now.

before the kitchen was thrown at Obama it was a much cleaner campaign on both sides. i guess i just have my head in the clouds with this whole idea.

[cd3dem]

16. Obama's strategy is self-distruction...

[Drachasor]

18. I think you confused Obama's strategy with Clinton's

[IndependentDem]

20. could you explain this pov please? thanks.