So Obama 'knew' there wasnt WMD in Iraq, but doesnt know his pastor of 20 years hates America

[Seeker30]

I don't know whats worse, that Obama expects us to believe this bullshit or the people that do believe this bullshit.

[Mags]

1. Yes he did

[polpilot]

40. I KNEW there were no WMD in Iraq. Every informed being on earth KNEW Iraq was no threat to the U.S.

Iraq, 10,0000 miles away, NO SHIPS, NO PLANES, NO INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES, NO CLEAN WATER, NO SEWAGE SYSTEMS, NO FOOD, NOTHING. Sen. Clinton's response: 'Bomb 'em' Clever.

[jasmine621]

66. No one KNEW there were no WMDs in Iraq. Not even the Iraqi people KNEW

this. Many surmised or believe there were no WMDs in Iraq but nobody really KNEW except Saddam and his inner circle. So stop this absurd bullshit that Hillary should have known because Obama knew. He didn't know any such thing. He believed that invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do but he didn't KNOW shit!

[polpilot]

69. Now. Now. I don't KNOW that there are no WMDs on the moon but I have a really

good idea that it would be closer to sane to make my decisions based on no WMDs on the moon. I don't KNOW that McCain would beat the shit out of Pro-War, Pro-Nafta, Working for Universal Healthcare since 1992 (1892??)Hillary but it sure is close to a certainty. Me & Obama were right about the WMDs, some (you) didn't feel confident, after processing the info, in making that determination....so off to war we went. Thanks!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

2. Yes, because those two issues are really comparable in importance. n/t

[tyne]

3. His pastor hates America?

You mean because he speaks out against her?

Is that kind of like the left hating America (and the troops of course) when we speak out against the war?

This all sounds very familiar.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

11. Of course it does.

People on DU will grab onto any damn fool thing that will tear down their opponent, regardless of how stupid it is - frequently using the "See, this is what teh repubes will uze in teh general" nonsense to enable them to "legitimately" post right-wing smear material.

[Seeker30]

19. Its not right wing to speak out against hate, but it is to smear Bill Clinton

[tyne]

21. It's worse than right wing

Some on this board are going further than that. Now....the audience who hears things like this probably hate America.

It's worse than right-wing.

[MojoMojoMojo]

27. Its obvious God Dam America is not going to convince anyone about loving America.

Obama dug a deep hole and Mccain will just shovel dirt on top of him.

[tyne]

31. McCain doesn't have to

the left will do it for him/them.

Good on you.

[CTyankee]

67. As a 68 year old, gray haired grandma who has been a lifelong liberal progressive,

I am saddened to see our Democratic Party's prospects, once so bright, being damaged by pastor Wright's comments. I have worked all of my professional life in progressive organizations including the ACLU (national and legis. offices), the League of Women Voters, and Planned Parenthood. I do not post right wing smears but I have seen too many good liberal Dems destroyed by things or associations in their past that call into question their judgment/organizational skills.

The minister's words are being used to smear Obama. I am perfectly within my rights as a member of the Democratic Party since 1960, when I first voted (for JFK), and as a donor to the Party, to come onto this board and lament what is happening.

In less than an hour, when he speaks I am hoping that Barack Obama will get this behind him. I want to move on. If he is our candidate I will march joyfully to the polls and vote for him. My vote is not affected by Rev. Wright but I fear another Willie Horton like drumbeat as we watch replay after replay of Rev. Wright's own words.

[EffieBlack]

14. If Rev. Wright "hates" America because he criticizes it, DU is a hotbed of anti-Americanism

since that's pretty much a staple around here - except, of course, now that it appears that an uppity black man has done the same thing. Now folks are circling the wagons and are SHOCKED SHOCKED that anyone would have the NERVE to criticize this great, beautiful, perfect country of ours!!!

How DARE he!

[MojoMojoMojo]

38. criticism is constructive, to ask God to Damn it to hell is hateful

[EffieBlack]

46. Hateful is in the eye of the beholder

Thomas Jefferson said almost the same thing more than 200 years ago. Was HE hateful?

Besides, why is it that it is seen by some as perfectly acceptable to ask God to "bless America" - as if we want Him to bless us but not anyone else (why not ask God to bless EVERYONE?), but saying God damn America is hateful? Especially in the context of what he was talking about.

If God goes around blessing and damning nations, would America be just as subject to damnation as any other nation, given the wrongful acts we were built upon and continue to engage in?

[Seeker30]

57. Has America ever done anything good in your eyes?

Or is it simply the evil empire you believe it is

[blogslut]

4. I am happy to displease you

:)

[Perry Logan]

5. Any way you slice it, it reflects very poorly on his judgment.

[Umbram]

6. Like clusterbombs and a million dead Iraqis? (nt)

[girl_interrupted]

8. Seeker30 thats the funniest thing I've heard all morning! LOL!

Thanks for the laugh! LOL!

[Perry Logan]

13. So now we know: Obamites have poor judgement...and no sense of humor.

[tyne]

7. Can you give any proof

...any at all, that he has applied any of these snippets to his public or private life?

Any proof at all?

[niceypoo]

49. Yes, he got his 'Audacity of hope' slogan from the guy

there's your proof

[Life Long Dem]

56. Are we talking about Obama or his pastor?

Remember Obama wasn't even at the sermon to hear this.

[cali]

9. Wright does not hate America. He deplores some aspects of it

So do I. Blind patriotism is not a positive attribute. Duh.

[tyne]

10. No duh...

When the right accuses the left of hating America (and the troops) when they speak out against the gov and such...they were right, weren't they?

According to many on this board...it seems as though they were.

I sure hope they're enjoying the company they're keeping.

[nickn777]

12. No, there are ways to promote change....

without the hate filled speech, and racist filth. It's the how, not the what.

[tyne]

15. Is that what Obama does?

Does he promote change...via hate filled speech?

[nickn777]

30. Absolutely not.

But that is part of the reason for questioning his 20 year association with Wright. Obama's close relationship with this person prompts people to at least ask WHO the real Barack Obama is...He had two decades to walk away from this, and chose not to.

[tyne]

34. Okay question his 20 year association

and the answer this question. Can you show any proof that Obama has applied any questionable policies or practices? Any at all?

[nickn777]

45. But see, that's part of the issue.....

Obama has been largely about speeches and rhetoric, rather than real substance. People really don't know where Obama stands on a number of issues. He voted "Present" some 130 times in the state senate in Illinois. Again, this goes to the issue of what he truly believes, and I think we have a right to question this.

Look, I am voting for whomever the Dem. nominee is, but I truly feel that Obama CANNOT win a GE, especially after "Pastorgate"...this is too damaging a story, particulary among swing voters....I would prefer Gore, if I could have my choice, but that ain't happening, so I think Clinton is the best chance at defeating McCain.

[cali]

17. Nothing Wright has said is racist.

Some of it is ugly and I disagree profoundly with his attacks on Hillary and Bill, but racist? Only in the minds of the real racist pigs.

[nickn777]

20. Huh??? Are you serious?

You don't think Wright's speeches are racially divisive? You think they help UNITE white and black people??

[tyne]

39. The snippets the right-wingers and Hillary supporters

don't. Do you think that any of the remaining thousands of hours do?

[Seeker30]

22. So Clinton saying Jesse Jackson ran a good campaign was racist

But someone screaming about the white man creating AIDS to kill off the black man isnt....mmmkay.

[cali]

26. Clinton's comments were intended to do one thing

frame Obama as a fringe minority candidate who couldn't and shouldn't get white votes. Wright's comments about AIDS although stupid were not an indictment of white people, but of the government. If you don't know where that sentiment arises from in the AA community, it would behoove you to educate yourself.

[MojoMojoMojo]

32. Thats a racist interpretation on your part,or rather on Obamas part.

[cali]

43. Nope. Nothing racist about it.

And you don't explain how it is racist. God I'm sick of whiny white people complaining about the racism they suffer. Disgusting lie.

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[cali]

53. I'm a white person

Furthermore I'm a white person that grew up in the privileged white community of New Canaan CT. I went to New Canaan Country day and prep school. And no, I don't support Obama because of white guilt, but I certainly recognize that "reverse racism" is largely a bullshit racist ploy to distract from real racism.

[theredpen]

18. What racist filth?

Quote please?

[Hugabear]

41. I take it you weren't a big fan of Martin Luther King Jr

You know, the guy who ran around with "hate filled speech and racist filth".

[nickn777]

65. Just keep defending Wright.....

and when we have President McCain and 50 more years in Iraq you might feel differently.

And please don't compare Wright to King, whose overriding message was one of an eventual colorblind society.

[DemVet]

50. Yeah, he deplores the parts that aren't "black"

That's racist.

[dkf]

16. Yeah and you hate America because you dislike the war in Iraq.

HATER!


Traitor!


Anti-Patriot!


How typical of a Hillary person. You all are making me ill.

[Seeker30]

25. No, speaking out against the govt is one thing, attacking white people is another

WTF don't you understand about that?

[tyne]

29. Did you know that

Obama is as white as he is black?

[dkf]

44. Yeah look at how much he hates his white Grandpa!

[izzybeans]

23. Step away from the Newsmax it's turned your brains to soup.

[MojoMojoMojo]

24. LOL,you nailed it

"So Obama 'knew' there wasnt WMD in Iraq, but doesnt know his pastor of 20 years hates America"
Posted by Seeker30

[tyne]

28. He nailed nothing.

All he's doing is biting Rove's bait.

[Seeker30]

35. Rove didnt say white people are conspiring to kill blacks

Wright did.

[tyne]

36. Does Obama think

that white people are conspiring to kill blacks? Does he think his mom or grandparents wanted him dead?

[Seeker30]

48. His mentor, pastor of 20 years, and the man who he calls 'uncle' certainly does

That tells me more than enough.

[indimuse]

33. Maybe Rezko and Auchi clued him in...

Auchi did bundle money for Suddam.FACT!

[Vinca]

37. Is Obama his pastor? I had a racist parent. Does that make me a racist?

With the country going to hell at record speed, it boggles the mind the focus of all media is an angry, black pastor in Chicago. The pastor is entitled to his opinions. If he has some hate for America, he's probably entitled. Atrocities were - and still are - committed against people of color and during the pastor's prime, the government had dirty hands.

[MyNameGoesHere]

42. it all adds up for me. All those "present" votes

and not knowing the pastor had some wonderful things to say about America. Obama is really incompetent.

[Joe the Revelator]

51. Remember when all liberals were accused of being "America Haters"

Don't you see how foolish you now sound regurgitating that silly insult?

[Mutley]

52. Hates America?

Are you serious?

[Life Long Dem]

54. Who said his pastor hates America?

He might hate the treatment of blacks or the laws and drug situation.

[Terry_M]

55. Hates America

Like all the people the administration has said hate America at one time or another for disagreeing with the Bush administration... Yes, that's right all our senators and congressmen with the possible exception of Lieberman hate America too... As do the rest of us for supporting them. Now what the fuck was your point?

[Apollo11]

58. But except for what he says in his sermons, there is no evidence that Wright is wrong.

This seems to be the point that Obama defenders are making here.

:eyes:

[cd3dem]

59. Michelle's remarks make sense now... we know where she gets it!

[moobu2]

63. Where they been hiding crazy Michelle laely anyway?

[susankh4]

60. Bwahahahaaaaa

Thanks for the laugh!

Good point.

[Froward69]

61. Look at BOTH sides of that coin...

mcaint has endorsements of flat out haters... coupled with the NO RELIGOUS TEST clause.

Frankly I have been disgruntled with America from time to time, Who hasn't?

Isn't "Redress of Grievances" a Right anyway?

[mod mom]

62. SO YOU SHOULD LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY-even the bad? BS We need to confront the ugly

chapter, denounce them and move to better the US.

[Evergreen Emerald]

64. He said the government started aids to kill black people

He said that Clinton cannot have blacks support her for President cause she has never been called the N word.

It does not matter that Obama was not a one of his sermons. He has a 20 year relationship with this guy. His beliefs are Obama's or he would not have been there for 20 years.

That is the issue


oh, and the lying about it.

[IsItJustMe]

68. More bull shit from right wingers.