For the love of God, does it tell you ANYTHING that Fox, Newsmax, Kristol, & Rush love "pastorgate"?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

Anything? Any warning bells? Any Hillary supporters have any problem with this? Do these sources mean anything to you? Might this all speak to the limited validity, maybe, of the story, or, say, reveal a sort of agenda? Does it give anybody any hints of who the Republicans might possibly be terrified of? Hello, anybody....anybody mind waking up in bed next to Limbaugh in the morning? Is it just me, or is sharing the sheets with Kristol actually kind of disgusting? I'm just wondering, you know, just so I can update my apparently foolish notions about progressives and democrats and all that. Thanks.

[babylonsister]

1. Add MSNBC and CNN. too.

Like flies on poo.

[mod mom]

17. I'm starting to wonder if the timing Ferrarro race-baiting was coordinated w the release of the tape

I'M READY TO LEAVE THE PARTY BEFORE I WOULD EVER VOTE FOR CLINTON!

[babylonsister]

21. It does seem a bit coordinated to me, too.

Hi, mod mom. :hi: I hope you're around to hear Obama this a.m. And I did write to Scarborough telling him what I thought about him. I asked if tearing down Obama was in his morning meme today, as he discussed on Maher. Of course, he won't address it, but I wanted him to know we're on to him.

[mod mom]

27. I'll be watching, but after today I'll be here a lot less in the am-I'm starting

regular hours working at a permanent Obama Ohio office. :hi: back at you, babylonsis!

maybe I'll bring my laptop, though ;)

[RazBerryBeret]

34. That is awesome!

I live in Ohio, wish I could volunteer....my job gets in the way! good luck! keep us updated!

[Window]

41. I wouldn't even turn on MESS NBC this morning after watching a little of him

on David Gregory's new show last night, yelling and talking all over everyone.

:banghead:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. The GOP and their Hillary again!!!!

[MethuenProgressive]

26. mod mom, you know that the Ferrao comments were made weeks before Obama released them, don't you?

If there was 'timing' invovled, it was by the Obama Camp.

[mod mom]

33. The initial ones were but they were carried out over & over by MSM until just before the

release of the tapes.

IT IS STRANGE THE THE MEDIA IS FOCUSED ON THE WORDS OF ANOTHER MAN NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE INSTEAD OF THE FACT THAT 2 CANDIDATES IN THE RACE HAVE YET TO RELEASE THEIR TAX RETURNS SHOWING WHO OWNS THEM AND THEIR DECISIONS!

[MethuenProgressive]

37. Great timing by the Obama Camp for maximum "outrage".

The Obama Camp is very good at timing "outrage"...

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

36. ding ding ding, just like with South Carolina

and Bill thinks if he says he wasn't race baiting - often enough - that
we will believe him.

Just like him saying: "I did not have sex with that woman"...

[elixir]

49. It's too bad you're leaving, we need every democrat. But maybe it's for thebest.

[mod mom]

51. I'm not willing to sell out the party to corporate interest. Perhaps the time will come

by way of smear racial baiting, for real change in the party system.

[Enrique]

2. it's right up their alley

Obama hates America, Obama is dangerous, etc.

[Seeker30]

3. Even a broken clock is right twice a day

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. They take their marching orders like good little lemmings.

Never fails.

The right speaks with one voice.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

5. As a Hillary supporter, I can only offer my post from yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5119448&mesg_id=5119586

And tell you I have nothing but fucking contempt for those you mentioned as "sharing my bed", so fuque vous for suggesting such.

Your post is the exactly the kind of attitude the Republicans are cheering on. Divide and conquer. Nice try, though.

Speaking of updating, I just updated my ignore list.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

8. peace, BHP. "bed" was a metaphor..."politics makes strange bedfellows"

...not suggesting anything about BHP's actual bed.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. I can't read this, but since you share my ignore list with only one other poster I think I'm safe in

guessing that you've come back with some zinger 'bout those shared "sheets" with Kristol and Limbaugh.

That OP is about as disgusting as I've read here. I sincerely do NOT want to see your further contributions.

[LoZoccolo]

23. You are lying; you do not have dmsRoar on ignore.

You cannot reply to an ignored post; the DU software makes it impossible.

[redqueen]

52. Heh.

Good catch.

[meow mix]

55. good idea, bye ignored

[Coexist]

6. CNN has moved on, its just a small blurb now, Morning Joe just can't let it go, though

Susan Rice came on there and was wonderful.

[susankh4]

7. It speaks of what will happen

if Obama gets the nomination.


John McCain 2008. That is what it speaks of.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Small and frightened people, these Hillary fanatics

The big bad media is going to deeeeeeeeestroooooooooyyyyyy us!

Pathetic.

Ready on Day One? Commander-in-Chief? You guys are scared to death of Sean Fucking Hannity. How can we expect you to behave well when faced with Osama bin Laden?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. Deserves it's own post.

:scared:Whatever will we do!?!:scared:

[Arkansas Granny]

38. I don't know about you, but I remember the swiftboating of John Kerry.

Obama has hit back sooner and harder that Kerry did and that's a good thing. Unless Obama is able to put this to rest now, you can be sure that the 527's are going to use it later if he is our nominee. What really scares me is being faced with President John McCain.

[alcibiades_mystery]

48. I'm not convinced that Kerry lost on account of the swiftboating

Although it's clear that that thesis has taken on the status of a sacred cow among some Clinton fanatics, if only to justify their non-stop attacks as a supposed "testing vehicle," and to warrant all manner of collaboration with right wing stupidity.

It could be, rather, that Kerry lost because he was a bad candidate and because the timing was just wrong, that the thin slice of people who decided the race just weren't ready to change ships mid-course, and that the "Swiftboating" barely affected that decision. But this is the typical anti-democratic tendency of many "professional" Democrats: they take the public for fools, and think they know better; they take the public for an easily manipulable herd that is always subject to the sway of bad arguments. It shows in their approach, which is condescending to a fault, arrogant without limitation, and very manifestly contrary to their supposed progressive messages. If only the dumb public weren't so stupid, weren't so easily led by demagogues, this theory goes, we would win every time. It couldn't possibly be that people simply - and for good reasons of their own - disagree with the platform or candidate, right? It's because they're stupid sheep. That's the underlying philosophy of all these "But Kerry got Swiftboated" posts. And it is despicable elitist nonsense. The GOP has made good use of it, and will continue to do so as long as Democrats shit on the public at every opportunity, or when faced with any counterargument.

What's devastatingly clear is that the Swiftboating has turned some Democrats into a pack of craven cowards and cringing wimps, deathly afraid of any media story. In that sense, it has served its purpose well by removing from a significant portion of Democrats the only thing that really wins elections: courage, heart, boldness, confidence, strength in one's convictions, and clarity of message.

[WinkyDink]

9. I know only what I've read on this site. And it doesn't thrill me.

Rev. Jackson, in 1984, spoke at Lafayette College in Easton, PA.
HE spoke of UNITY.
HE acted positively, registering young voters right there, calling them down from the bleachers.
HE spoke to COMMON problems, such as poverty, the need for better education, etc.

I don't get this vibe from Rev. Wright. I get a racially-divisive one, a "look back in anger" one. That is NOT to opine that he isn't well-justified or within his rights; it is to say that, as a figure closely associated with a Presidential candidate, particularly one who claims HE is the path to UNITY, the Rev. Wright's rhetoric does that candidate NO FAVORS vis-a-vis a future appeal to the ENTIRE electorate.

And THAT is why this story will NOT go away soon.

[niceypoo]

10. They also embrace Ken Starr talking points and are Obsessed with the Clintons...

your point?

[WinkyDink]

22. I've read some scathing remarks on DU lately about Pres. Clinton. Shocking, actually.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

24. they were scumbags then and are still scumbags now. why parrot their views?

that's the point.

[MethuenProgressive]

11. Tells me now that they've destroyed Clinton, they're moving on to the candidate they selected.

The RW has been beating down Clinton for years and years, and after all their recent hyper attacks she went from front runner shoo-in to "monster". Doesn't that tell you something?

[Umbram]

14. Lemme see if I can find a, oh, wait...here it is.

:nopity:

[niceypoo]

15. And the recent 'Hyper-attacks' were joined in by Obama supporters

...any questions?

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. When Going Over the Falls, Grab Any Thin Twig

So sayeth the Republican and Hillary Fanatic Bible, March 2008.

[Mags]

25. BO is going over the fall today. Just wait. He can't clean up

the last 20 yrs in a speech. Sorry.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Sure he is

Keep flapping away.

[MyNameGoesHere]

18. More diversion from the Obama supporters

http://www.google.com/news?ned=us&ncl=1141028193&hl=en&topic=n

over 600 news sources with the story. Nice try wanna play again.

[moobu2]

19. Oh, but you don’t have any trouble with them when they're spreading every lie

Barack can think of about Hillary.

[shaniqua6392]

20. I have seen this story on every major cable and national station.

It has even been on the nightly news editions on CBS, NBC, and ABC. This is not just a Faux News story!! It is potentially damaging to Obama. The polling is also showing that it has been damaging to him since last Friday. I am glad the the Clinton campaign has not commented on this at all. I am sure it will blow over once Obama gives his speech today. At least I hope so....

[Arkansas Granny]

28. If you weren't here Friday when this news first broke you might not have

seen how many Hillary supporters were posting about their concerns for Obama's campaign while the Obama supporters were downplaying it and pretending that it would be gone in a day or two. There are many of us who would like to see this matter put to rest NOW. We realize that there is a good chance that Obama will be the Democratic nominee in this election and anything that hurts him now could hurt us all later. We realize where this is coming from and who loves it, but I don't think you will find any rational Hillary supporters who are celebrating this story.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

30. peace, AG.

[spinbaby]

29. Why are they doing Hillary's dirty work for her?

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

[Arkansas Granny]

45. Maybe they are taking their marching orders from Rush. If they think that

Hillary would be the weaker candidate and the easiest for McCain to knock off in the GE, it stands to reason that they would attack Obama to keep him from getting the nomination.

That may be a BS idea, but it's no worse than some of the others I've seen posted here lately.

[elleng]

35. The Republicans want to

MAKE TROUBLE FOR DEMOCRATS! They will do whatever they can to injure ANY Democrat who MIGHT be successful against whichever republican stands up.

Does anyone see any of these currently running for president? Wes Clark, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, John Edwards? What ever happened to them?

We've ALL GOT TO WAKE UP and stop fighting eachother.

PLEASE.

[11 Bravo]

39. Don't forget Hannity. That fatuous jerk-off has a chub for the first time in 20 years.

He literally hyperventilates when talking about it.

[Rex_Goodheart]

40. So, whatever Obama did in the past is hunky dory

as soon as Fox reports it?

You make no sense.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

43. that's not quite my point. the point is....why are they delighting in banging away at THIS story?

which we all know the answer to

[LanternWaste]

42. It tells me only what I've already suspected...

It tells me only what I've already suspected-- neither candidate will get preferential treatment from the republican machine.

It tells me that the targets on the backs of candidate are the same size.

It tells me that either candidate will get vilified and damned to the same degree regardless of who that eventual candidate may be.

It tells me that the GOP machine is extremely equal opportunity when it comes to dirty tricks and tearing down Democrats.

[Texas Hill Country]

44. yeah, because they now wanna run vs BO instead of HRC... they are chomping at the bit to swiftboat

[Froward69]

53. You got it backwards...

they want Hillary as the GE opponent. hillary tearing at Obama plays into their hands.

[rodeodance]

46. yes, they have a new toy --i thought it might die down. have not listened today-

[Scurrilous]

47. K & R

:thumbsup:

[GTurck]

54. I got it immediately

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. It is time to find a way to turn off the spigot of hate and manipulation.
As an American, a woman and white I have heard worse eating breakfast after church with my fellow Christians. We are morally blind and deaf to everything other than our own position in the world. From that we don't think as well as the average 4yr. old.
Folks it is time to reach across the chasms and limitations of our own viewpoints and try to connect with the hurts we have caused each other and to those we have labeled different and unworthy. It should be easier for us the professed liberal/progressives.
We have no right to judge because we just don't know all of the facts that make another's life experience.