Open note to Clinton's internet leader pushing Wright to paint Obama as an Angry Black Man:

[blm]

To Mr. Youknowwhoyouare:


You have truly lost your once-bright soul and have become every bit as loathsome as Rove's goons in your determination to undermine and destroy the best part of the Democratic party - the open government Democrats. And the fact that you do this in service to the protectors of closed government makes you particularly dangerous to what democracy we have left in this nation.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. "undermine and destroy the best part of the democratic party"

I have been saying that for months when the "progressives" used right-wing talking points to attack Hillary Clinton: a progressive Senator who has spent her life fighting for civil rights.

There certainly is a problem with democrats. I am glad you are finally coming to the party.

[blm]

6. You closed government protectors have hurt the party - you want the open government Democrats to go

away and leave you to your protection of the fascist agenda.

But it isn't going to happen as long as there are Democrats committed to open government. The days of the closed government Democrats are nearly over.

[KittyWampus]

8. you best look at what the Clintons have ACTUALLY done to enable the current mess we are in weth

and how they refuse to shed light on their own activities.

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. I am not certain what you are saying...that it is Clinton's fault that Obama

is lying about his relationship with his pastor?

It was Obama who has used race throughout this campaign, shouting "RAcism!" from the rooftops when it helps him.

"Shed light:" the idea that there is something to hide in their tax returns is ludicrous, as we know that their finances have been public record. It Will not stop people from twisting and distorting anything for political gain. Have they invested in oil rigs? My liberal uncle has, cause he knows where the money is. Anything the Clinton's do will be used against them no matter how benign. It is not about hiding anything. It is about the lies and distortions the republicans and Obama camp will use to insinuate relationships that are not there.

Obama has hidden Rezko and the totality of his relationship from the public. He has now attempted to minimize his 20 year relationship with the guy who says we created aids to kill black people.


There is such a double standard here that is amazing.

[blm]

16. Clinton had an over 20yr alliance with the guy who brought the largest terrorist bank BCCI to the US

with his longtime ally GHWBush, and you think that deserved the betrayal of this country through the deep-sixing of BCCI matters.

What does that say about YOUR priorities for this nation?

Clintons CLOSE alliance with Stephens and GHWBush has been good for this nation, and Obama's pastor is the danger?

[flpoljunkie]

52. Politicalfriendster: Who is Jackson Stephens?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2474&name=Jackson-Stephens

[PVnRT]

17. What?

Give us an instance of Obama shouting "racism." We'll wait.

[Evergreen Emerald]

21. Again with this feigned ignorance.

SC. Ring a bell? The Obama camp sent out surrogtes to cry that Bill and Hillary were racist and saying racist things. The Obama camp sent out a list of "racist" statments (like the "fairy tale" statment that of course had nothing to do with race).

Obama has used race from the beginning

"Our time is now"

[dionysus]

26. actually they busted big dawg being coy with the race card. try again...

[Evergreen Emerald]

31. that is BS. It was an Obama ploy

Worse than Willie Horton. I cannot support someone who would divide America like Obama has .

[dionysus]

32. worse than willie horton? clinton stuck his foot so far in his mouth it ended up sticking out of

his ass, as been his habit in this race... you keep on keeping on...

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. how did Clinton stick his foot in his mouth? He thought the same rules

applied to both white and black candidates. And that he could critize Obama's stance on the war without being called a racist.

It is a load of bull and the over-politically-correct in the party allow Obama to get away with dividing us by race.

[dionysus]

36. ...

[PVnRT]

38. Apparently Bill Clinton is a sleeper Obama operative

[PVnRT]

37. They did? You have proof?

Again, give us sources, not your opinion.

[dionysus]

12. Hillary Clinton the best part of the party?!? A DLC corporate hack?

lololollololol....

[Name removed]

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[dionysus]

19. are you typing that with a staight face?!?! who's chugging kool aid now?

:rofl:

here's banky, you need a nap;

[leftofcool]

2. ?

[rodeodance]

3. another FLAMEBAIT ******

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. What The Fuck Are You Talking About? Get A Grip, You Look Silly.

[mod mom]

28. Silly is ignoring the connections between Clinton & the corporate take-over of this country!

[UALRBSofL]

29. This is a flaimbait post

Calling out people on DU for what is going on with Obama. If you really want to distance democrats the best way would be to go on TV and tell the world that half the democratic party is out to get Obama.

[mod mom]

63. yes we can...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY&feature=related

[Arkansas Granny]

5. Unless you have some proof of your accusation, you shouldn't make statements like this.

[SunsetDreams]

7. Proof?

Look at the board

[KittyWampus]

11. the proof Clinton's career was bankrolled by the NeoCons? It's there. Follow the moneytrail

right up into the Clintons' current bank account.

Now WHY can't we ever see the Clinton archives, tax returns etc etc

[blm]

58. Has anyone ever tried EXPLAINING Jackson Stephens bankrolling of Clintons' careers

to you? I seem to have missed all those replies, though 'some say' the explanations have been posted.

[cali]

9. huh? If you have evidence that Clinton's team is pushing the Wright

story, please post it. If not, don't go there. At this point it's just a smear without any foundation in fact.

[nolabels]

10. Too bad they only have catch and release here

:D

[mtnsnake]

15. Repetitive propaganda of your kind is the worst kind of all. You make life so easy for Republicans

with your non-stop divisive personal attacks on the Clintons, especially Bill. How the admins continue to let you get away with this propaganda campaign of yours that's gone on for years, splitting and dividing this forum, is beyond comprehension. The damage you do to the Clintons is rivaled by few on this forum.

:thumbsdown:

[blm]

18. Clintons HELPED you, the Dems and this nation when they deep-sixed BCCI matters

throughout the 90s?

If *I* had been in power I would have trusted YOU and all DUers and every American citizen to know the truth about BushInc's agenda for this nation as uncovered by the BCCI report and covered up through the denial of access to documents, or any followup by the DoJ.

Yet you need to pretend that open government and those Dems committed to open government are the bad guys.

[jonnyblitz]

20. aaah, I know exactly who you are calling out, a DUer who no

longer posts here. interesting. I would be interested in seeing proof of your claims.

[blm]

23. I know what I know. And it brings me no joy to post what I did. It actually hurts, as it

has for some time, but the time has come to shake off the hurt and FIGHT BACK at this lowest level of attack that is being employed. I highly doubt that my old friend came UP with the idea, but he is most certainly implementing it for those who did.

[jonnyblitz]

27. fair enough. I will be looking out for info on this in the meantime. I

know exactly who you are calling out. I remember him well.

[mtnsnake]

22. What you do is try and make everyone hate the Clintons over 1 matter that you harp on endlessly

Your agenda on this forum is to say the same thing over and over a thousand times until people start believing it just from sheer repitition alone.

[blm]

24. What would that be?

.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. Why can't you Clinton supporters respond to it?

The fact is that Bill Clinton deep-sixed investigations of the Iran-Contra and BCCI players, and many of them went on to get positions in the GWB admin. We are all paying the price for it today, yet you want to reward the Clintons with the WH again.

[mtnsnake]

30. Don't tell me that no one has responded to it. People have talked at great length

about it. No matter how many times her paranoia has been debunked, the needle remains stuck on the same part of the broken record.

[blm]

33. Baloney - not one of you has ever responded about Stephens and BCCI matters

I invite you to do so, and you are most welcome to do it using Bill's own book, - THAT should do it, right?

If you believe Bill handled BCCI matters properly and patriotically as an open government Democrat would, then you should have no problem finding out in his book what decisions he made and actions he took on all those outstanding matters in BCCI that he were handed over to him when he took office.....right?

If you believe Bill acted properly on those serious matters, then please explain to us HOW you came to that conclusion and what information you discovered that helped you make that conclusion.

[mtnsnake]

41. Bullshit. Your theories were laid to rest by someone who researched it fully

I don't remember who it was because it was so long ago when you first started posting your divisive anti-Clinto rhetoric, but I remember all your theories getting shot down that day. It was after you were saying how Kerry knew all what was going on with it, and then the other poster pointed out that if Kerry knew what was going on, well why on earth didn't he do a frigging thing about it himself then?

[blm]

43. Baloney - Kerry DIDN'T have access to documents stonewalled by GHWBush and foreign

governments that a Dem PRESIDENT would have.

Kerry's BCCI report included a list of complex and outstanding matters that have been posted a number of times.

That list meant WHAT to you?

Matters to be IGNORED throughout the 90s or matters that required further scrutiny and accountability?

Kerry sided with further scrutiny and requested it along with access to more documents for the investigators - it's IN the report.

What side did Clinton take? Simple question - what's the simple answer?

What side do YOU take, snake? Would you prefer to be RESPECTED with the truth, or do you really prefer to be stonewalled by those in power who don't respect your right to open government?

[redqueen]

35. Where have they talked at great length about it?

All I ever seem to see are dismissals... no refutation to blm's citations...

[blm]

39. They'll post it on the twelfth..... the twelfth of.............. NEVER.

.

[redqueen]

40. I'd love to see it, really. Restore my trust... please.

I don't expect it... but I'd love to be wrong. I'd really love to.

More and more I see the DLC as the neo-lib allies to the neo-cons.

[mtnsnake]

42. People used to talk about it until they were blue in the face

No matter how many times blm's paranoid theories were shot down, she'd chime right in with the same propaganda again a few days later. I don't give a rats ass if you don't think her theories have been laid to rest, nor would I expect any narrow-minded Clinton haters on this forum to admit it.

[blm]

44. But so many times - my goodness.... with your focus on me you should have those threads at

your fingertips, especially since there were supposedly so many of them refuting me...... according to you.

[redqueen]

46. Exactly. (nt)

[mtnsnake]

49. Unlike you, I don't copy what everyone says on some archive wordpad, but maybe I should

when it comes to you.

Unlike you, I don't reach into my massive vault of propaganda and pull out post after post and paste them over and over again on this board like you do in almost every thread about Hillary. It doesn't matter what they're talking about, you always find the need to paste your unrelated propaganda smears in those threads in feeble efforts to hijack those threads and change the subject.

[blm]

51. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about and how it relates to nearly everything happening now

and to ignore it means people have no true understanding of what IS occurring in this country and around the world today.

You prefer people don't know the roots of this nation's biggest problems and its greatest deceits - I prefer they do. That bothers you. Tuff.

[mtnsnake]

53. If one iota of what you said was true, Bill Clinton would be locked away for life

or exiled to some remote island in the North Atlantic.

[blm]

54. Really - the way GHWBush and Jackson Stephens were locked up for THEIR deceits?

Using YOUR world of logic, GHWBush, Jackson Stephens, Dubai and Saudi royals, Ollie North, Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney, Elliot Abrams, Michael LeDeen, GWBush and Karl Rove and scores of others never did one iota of what has been said, either.

What side were you on, snake?

Did you side with furthering access to documents and full discussion of BCCI matters that were outstanding, or did you side with continuing GHWBush's stonewalling of access and moving past those matters because you believed those matters reached the level of accountability needed?

[mtnsnake]

55. Speaking of all those people you just cited, they must LOVE you for making their jobs so much easier

Karl Rove and the entire Bush family of corruption wishes to thank you for your efforts!

With you around here to spread the outright hatred and divisiveness about great past Democratic presidents like Bill Clinton, Democrats do not need any enemies.

Bill Clinton was one of the best Democratic presidents ever, so tough for you that you have some personal gripe against him.

[blm]

56. Really? Those people NEED Clinton protected from those issues and won't mention

those matters or those protected in those matters because they know damn well Clinton has been protecting THEM. That's why they had so many bullshit issues pushed to the forefront throughout the 90s - sex and manufactured controversies to demagogue to obscure the matters that were most deeply important to this nation's historic record.

You really have no answer because when it is all stripped down to the basic facts of what actually happened in the 90s to BCCI matters YOU side with the protection bestowed upon BushInc and you side with CONTINUING the protection of BushInc.

[mtnsnake]

59. Poppy & Bill in bed blah blah blah Clintons suck blah blah blah swept under rug blah blah blah

just like a broken record.

[blm]

65. and more learn about the simple truths every day, thanks to the commitment of open government

Democrats who don't mind the responsibility of citizenship.

One day maybe even YOU will see it is past time to accept the responsibility of open government issues that our US citizenship has given us. Don't FEAR the responsibility of the citizenry to demand their government be open and accountable, snake.

[blm]

57. PS: When did ANY of those people ever remark upon Clinton's links to GHWBush and Stephens?

Since you claim I am making their job easier, then please show me where any ONE of them complained that Clinton's close associations with Jackson Stephens and GHWBush led to the deep-sixing of BCCI matters and the ongoing protection of BushInc.

Since you are so sure BushInc is or will be using my complaints against the Clintons links to them, you will have no trouble producing those attacks from Rove as they have been or will be used, right?

[mtnsnake]

60. Why on earth would they do bother when you're doing it for them?

[blm]

62. Gee - if Rove was going to use it wouldn't he have done it in 2000? You really do exaggerate

because you need to hide behind something.

You know what Bill did to protect BushInc was wrong, but you can't say so, and so you need to attack those who have committed themselves to open government, INCLUDING being open about ALL of the deceits - both GOP and Dems who protected them.

You prefer that closed government STAY protected. You don't want the responsibility of open government and all that means to a citizen. I do.

[mtnsnake]

66. Why not level with us and tell us why you REALLY hate the Clintons?

Is it because Bill was one of the best Democratic presidents EVER and your own idol couldn't get to first base against Bush in 2004? Does that have anything to do with it? :shrug:

[blm]

68. YOU think deep-sixing BCCI matters was the act of the best Dem president.

I know that Bill's deep-sixing of the BCCI matters provided protection for BushInc and led directly to the emergence of Bush2, 9-11, this Iraq war, and will be the root of soon to be war with Iran.

YOU side with Bill's protection of secrecy and privilege throughout the 90s. You applaud it and believe the world is better off for it.

I sided with Kerry, the lawmaker who worked the hardest to unravel the crimes of BushInc and to inform the citizenry in his report worked on for over 5 years.

It really is a matter of who WE are in our hearts and in our heads, snake.

You side with the fascists who have so much power on their sides to control the debate. I side with those who worked to PRESERVE the historic record and this nation's truths, who risk their lives and careers to stem the tide of the fascist agenda.

[mtnsnake]

69. That's weird....I don't recall saying anything like that

secrecy and privilege throughout the 90s. You applaud it and believe the world is better off for it

You side with the fascists who have so much power on their sides to control the debate

I do?

Gee, it's amazing how much I can find out about myself that I never knew about until after I met you, blm. (snicker)

[blm]

70. You said Bill was the best president ever. You believe what he did and his decisions were the 'best'

so I am merely attaching your praise to the most important issues Bill dealt with in the 90s that have obviously had the most longterm effect on this nation and the world.

Why wouldn't you want to associate your praise and devotion to Clinton with his acts that have had the greatest longterm effect on this nation, snake?

[mtnsnake]

72. No I didn't say that

I didn't say he was the best president ever. I didn't even say he was the best Democratic president ever. I said he was ONE of the best Democratic presidents ever.

Tell me something, blm. Do you think Hillary will be as good a president as Bill? Some people think she could be even better, although that would be quite an accomplishment if she is, but I wouldn't put it past her, would you?

[blm]

73. She's beholden to the exact same group of fascists that Bill has aligned with for years.

And it has gotten worse now that he has been accepting sums by the tens of millions from the same Dubai and Saudi royals who were protected by the deep-sixing of BCCI matters.

Bill was co-opted, and Hillary is NEVER going to open the books now. Whatever goodness she had in her was compromised ages ago, and protecting BushInc includes Bill now.

They certainly don't respect YOU or any Democrat as a citizen deserving of open government.

[mtnsnake]

76. How do you know what Hillary is going to do? Do you have a crystal ball?

Or are you just intuitive? :shrug:

[blm]

79. Not hard to figure that she has been protecting the same interests as Bill since Arkansas-Stephens-

WalMart-Rose Law Firm days.

She is NOT going to open the books that now protect Bill's legacy, too.

What makes you think YOU know she will serve open government instead of continuing the secrecy of closed government?

What in her record informs YOU that she respects YOUR right to open government accountable to the people?

[mtnsnake]

81. I'm curious about something. How is it that you are the only one who knows this amazing secret?

How do you know something that nobody else seems to know about, blm?

[blm]

82. What secret? And notice that I answer your questions while you avoid even the simplest questions

asked of you.

What makes YOU certain that Hillary respects open government and will allow access to documents that Bill never would?

[mtnsnake]

83. Yeah, funny how you answer my questions by posing another question back at me instead

like you just did and seem to do on a regular basis when someone calls you out. Sorry, blm, you ought to know by now that turning the tables on me rarely works.

[blm]

84. I asked What secret, seriously. What secret are you claiming I know exclusively?

And why don't you answer simple questions like which side you supported when the books were closed on IranContra, BCCI and CIA drurunning operations?

You are the one way out of your league, because you never once bothered to read any official report on the matters that actually led to our nation's foreign policy activities of the last 3 decades have you? Yet you generate uninformed snark with no basis in reality for the snark you produced.

[redqueen]

45. I'm no Clinton hater.

Sorry but your vitriol and refusal to do something as simple as link to a past post addressing these issues only makes blm's claims look more credible.

[mtnsnake]

48. I didn't say you were. Read the post again

I wasn't including you as one of the many many Clinton haters that are attracted to DU like flies. If I was, I would have said "you narrow-minded Clinton haters" instead of "any narrow-minded Clinton haters".

peace

[redqueen]

50. I'm sorry for misreading...

I did take it as if you were saying it about me, since I do give credence to the information that blm links to.

Maybe someday I'll see one of the refutations you spoke of.

Peace. :)

[Oilwellian]

47. That sounds so much like "some people say"

Yet they're always shadowy characters who are never brought to light. Sort of like a Clinton "democracy." I want to see the rebuttals from the Clinton supporters. I've been a member here since 2001 and have NEVER seen a rebuttal to these facts. It's time to put it on the table. You defend the Clintons constantly on this issue but I have never seen the meat & potatoes of your defense.

[bobthedrummer]

64. God help us all-blm's "paranoid theories" are a political "pathology"

that are "contagious" except to the politically "immunized".
:sarcasm:

Here is my "antidote" for everybody with "paranoid theories"-it's called the simple truth about a RW political machine inside the Democratic Party-hey even Hillary Clinton mentioned a "vast right wing conspiracy", well she spoke the truth since she, her husband and several of his former cabinet/staff are part of it.

"Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

[blm]

67. How to be an 'immunized' Dem - Avoid all contact with National Security Archives.

Yep - that should do it.

[bobthedrummer]

71. .

:)

[GalleryGod]

61. Tell him to post THIS:

and this tome,too

[bobthedrummer]

74. bttt

[Unbowed]

75. A-Effing-Men

Couldn't agree more.

Her campaign has been a disgrace and the Internet facet has been most shameful of all.

She is going to be remembered as the poorest sport in the history of politics. She whines, she lies, she berates. The woman (or her creepy surrogates) wouldn't know positive if it jumped up and bit them on the ass.

She's become something loathsome that I'll do anything to avoid. I've been through a lot of campaigns in my time and have never felt this way about a Democrat before, with the possible exception of Joe Lieberman.

[blm]

80. Exactly - and I no longer believe that Clinton-Lieberman wing of the party benefits the nation in

any way any longer. I used to try and be 'pragmatic' about the triangulation, but it has ended up hurting this nation more than it ever helped, and in more permanent ways.

[bobthedrummer]

77. k

[Tatiana]

78. Sometimes, I feel like I have been stabbed in the back by friends.

And, then, I realize that no one is perfect. I hope some of the OG DU'ers come back to the fold once the nomination is settled. We need to start putting the interests of people before personal privilege and power.

[Stephanie]

85. His name is PETER DAOU, and he had a staff of ten at last count >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1633118

[blm]

86. Latest report is that Clinton campaign is using Wright to convince SUPERDELEGATES

that Obama needs to be thrown over.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

87. Rev Wright was his own artist....he painted his own masterpiece stop trying to give undo credits.

[blm]

88. Be real - Wright implied in his remarks about 9-11 what Hillary implied on the senate floor

when she held up that newspaper headline that said BUSH KNEW.

Too bad she only did it for show for the blogs and didn't care enough about this nation to follow through.

But, still - the videoclip exists and so do the pics. And the GOP machine will spin that every bit as much as they would spin Wright's remarks.

Really - what's the difference, ED? The difference is that Hillary is so full of shit about pushing Wright as a controversy to scare the superdelegates into dumping Obama as un American when the gOP machine will do the exact same to her with her own words.