Hillary's Spiritual Mentor Doug Coe Leads A Theocratic Power Cult. Why The FUCK Doesn't DU Vet THAT?

[KittyWampus]

This is no smear. It's documented fact by reliable media such as Harpers, Mother Jones etc.

All the hypocrites who profess to be "bothered" by Wright don't seem to care all that much about Hillary's spiritual mentor.

Here is a quote from Hillary herself SAYING Coe is her spiritual mentor:

Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

This is not JUST her self avowed spiritual mentor though. It's the Membership and Mission of this group as well.

The Membership and Mission of Obama's Church is firmly rooted in serving the poor and needy. Here's what we know about the Membership & Mission of Clinton's brethern.

The rest of the Members are almost all rightwing extremists in D.C.:

" When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat."


Their Mission is a Theocracy who belief in "waging war for Christ":

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

And Hillary is STILL moving through the ranks of this Theocratic Power Cult:

These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

[Scurrilous]

1. K & R

:thumbsup:

[underpants]

2. How about W's spiritual advisor Marvin Olansky and his ties to Rushdoony whackos

Gary North and the like.

We didn't hear anything about that back in 2000 or 2004 now did we?

[uponit7771]

3. He's white, that doesn't count

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. It's really creepy.

And it's almost the polar opposite of the mission of Barack's UCC Church. Hillary's prayer circle is all about the elite seeking God's benediction for the continuation of their power and privilege.

So of course the MSM isn't going to scrutinize it. :puke:

[durrrty libby]

5. BO cooked his own goose. He is finally exposed as a huge Fraud

Oh well

[Tarc]

6. Your arguments are, at best, misleading

Trying to paint this group with the same brush as Wright's race-bating sermons is stretching things a bit thin. Douglas Coe sounds about as threatening and divisive as Billy Graham is...which means, not at all.

Have a read at something a bit more objective about the matter;

The Atlantic: Hillary's take two

I was particularly struck by the likes of Sam Brownback apologizing for his treatment of the Clintons. The man is otherwise a hardcore fundamentalist to his core, but in one moment he displayed more class than a roomful (or forum-ful as the case may be) of Obama supporters.

[KittyWampus]

8. yeah, go ahead and sugar coat it. The SECRETIVE prayer cells Clinton frequents are anti-democracy

Wright's sermons are totally in line with democratic ideals except in the minds of bigots who seize on one or two words, take them out of context and twist their meaning.

And you are one of the worst offenders.

At the very least, you and those like you have been exposed for what you are.

[Tarc]

12. You confuse "secretive" with "private", whether out of naivety or intentional deception, I dunno

There are some very different aspect to religion in this country, and not all evagelicals or whatnot are into the in-your-face tent revival style of worship. Some, especially in the Northeast, see religion as a personal or internal matter.

Just taking a simplistic look at it, which is precisely what you are doing, and yea it looks somewhat odd to hear tell of prayer meetings with a roster of a Brownback, a Grassley, a Mark Pryor, and Clinton. But if you look at the tone and the nature of the group, where personal ideology and enmity are set aside for the sake of their common ground (i.e. religion), then its really kinda hard to see anything bad here, unless you bring preconceived notions into it, as you are doing.

So go ahead, cryingshame; go vet Doug Coe to your heart's desire, show us what you find. If you unearth something inflammatory that he has said or supported in the same vein as a "God Damn America" or blaming us for 9/11 or playing the race card, the by all means show it to the DU.

As it is now, you are comparing Rev. Wright's known words and deeds to the, in your words, "secretive" prayer group that Clinton belongs to; that something "secretive" must mean they have something to hide. Which is at best a little bit paranoid, at worst pretty delusional.

[Peace Patriot]

24. If you think anything religious happens in a U.S. Senate prayer group,

boy, are you naive! These 'Christians' were tolerating or promoting the torture of prisoners--many of them innocent of anything, just random Arabs standing around in the countries we bombed and invaded, and all of them have been detained for years without trial, and none of them--not one--has been charged and convicted of any crime. Beatings, waterboarding, stress positions, deprivations, "black flights"--sending some to despair and suicide, and crippling others' lives forever.

These 'Christians" furthermore tolerated or promoted slaughtering 1.2 million innocent people. 1.2 million innocent people. 1.2 million innocent people. ONE POINT TWO MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE! Babies, children, mothers, the elderly, blown to bits. Five million orphans. Millions of refugees. Millions wounded. And they sat in the sanctimony of their Senate prayer group, praying to God for more donations from Exxon Mobil.

Sorry, it's hypocritical bullshit. At least Rev. Wright's church is REAL--a place where real anguish is expressed about the horror that our country has become. And, frankly, I'd rather be in Rev. Wright's Church amongst real people, singing and shouting and hearing a REAL sermon, that expressed outrage at injustice--however raw it may sound to our lily white ears--than throwing up in the Senate prayer group, at the nauseating piousness of our failed, lying, hypocritical, two-faced, corrupt, good for nothing political leadership.

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(Minor edits--typos)

[surfermaw]

7. Wouldn't it be more better to discuss Cindy McCain and faith healers

Since we are on a democrat board!!

[HopeforChange]

9. THANK YOU

[MyNameGoesHere]

10. Which one of those

inspire her to title a book after them? Which one baptized her? Did he marry her? Which one of those said Goddamn America? Which one of those said that white man was responsible for genocide by giving them AIDS? Yes it is exactly the same thing.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. LOL

you keep pushing the lie that Clinton is some secret theocratic Christian Conservative. It's laughable on its face.

[Blomst]

13. Mother Jones Article

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Yeah, I've seen it a few hundred times

the notion that Clinton is a theocratic Christian conservative is just stupid.

She's a member of the Senate Prayer Group. She's NOT a member of "The Fellowship".

John Edwards co-chaired the Senate Prayer Group - that must make him a leader of the Christian Conservative movement.

[MadHound]

19. No, she is a member of The Fellowship,

You obviously haven't read, at least for comprehension, the article linked above.

"Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection."

Yep, hobnobbing, and working with theocrats the likes of Brownback and Santorum.

[KittyWampus]

21. there is a wealth of information out there documenting this. It is NOT some innocous prayer group

you can sugar coat.

It's a group with a leader, membership and mission that is anathema to democratic ideals.

Other links have been posted.

Read the pieces in full.

Sorry, but the facts prove you wrong on this.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. So you DO think she's

a theocratic Christian conservative?

[Iggo]

14. Because this ain't DU proper.

This is GD: Primaries, a temporary playground for temporary DUers. Stick around, well after there's a presumptive nominee. Then you'll see the real DU.

I'll now retreat back to the Lounge.

[Texas Hill Country]

15. she said he was A mentor, not HER mentor.

[WinkyDink]

17. You don't get it. Being fanatical while expressing "patriotism" is not regarded the same

way as saying "God Damn America".

It. Just. Isn't.

Oh---And nice thread title.

[theredpen]

18. Because it doesn't matter

Clinton is behind in delegates and she's not going to win the nomination.

There's no need to fling crap at Clinton because she's going to lose.

[dailykoff]

20. "the elite win power by the will of God"?

Hadn't she better disown this guy?

[redqueen]

26. Yikes.

That's Straussian stuff.

[Alter Ego]

22. Because the media is totally pro-Obama!

Go Hillary! She's our gal!

Oh, wait...

[mojowork_n]

25. Timely reminder.

This is the original post, with the link to the Mother Jones article.

It was a very good, thorough discussion of the subject, with quite a few links to other articles and commentary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4986046