PA: Clinton 56, Obama 30. Obama at 20% with women, 23% with whites ; Clinton surging with blacks

[jackson_dem]

:thumbsup:

Overall: H 56, O 30

Females: H 66, O 20
Men: H 45, O 41

Whites: H 63, O 23 (Jesse Jackson land...)
Blacks: O 63, H 27 (O has gotten 85-90% everywhere since SC except for NY and AR...)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Penn_Release_031708.pdf

Obama is now officially in Jesse Jackson land and about as popular with women as the king of Saudi Arabia in PA.

[durrrty libby]

1. Let's "Hope" it is a trend and that America is finally awake

from its stupid stupor

[polpilot]

105. Pro-War Hillary v. McCain...what do you REALLY think will be the result?

[rodeodance]

113. You show your foolishness when you say Hillary is pro-war!!

[Texas Hill Country]

2. wow, that is extreme

[billbuckhead]

3. Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!

It's ironic that white racism didn't destroy Hillary's opponent but that black racism and sexism did the deed.

[zabet]

4. Ironic ...

more like poetic justice
after he blamed Hillary for
playing the race card.

:bounce::patriot:!!!HILLARY!!!:patriot::bounce:

[rodeodance]

nice way of putting it--spot on.

[zabet]

41. ...

:hi:

[zabet]

42. ..

:hi:

[jackson_dem]

5. This poll is post-pastorgate. The Quinn poll that has it close was from 3/10-3/16

It looks like pastorgate may prove to have been the turning point, not just in PA, but in the nomination race. He won't be the nominee if he is stuck at 20% with women and 23% with whites (a downward trend from Texas and especially Ohio). He has even lost his traditional 85-90% with black voters, at least in PA.

[Moochy]

13. Post-pastorgate. Wow its like post-911

the turning point for DU, where craven racists in the democratic party joined a common cause with Rush Limbaugh.

[JeffR]

64. Patorgate changed everything, Moochy.

Murka has these pastors on the run now. Gonna smoke 'em out of their pulpits and bring 'em to justice. Just remember, you're either with us or you're with the pastors, who hate us for our freedom.

[rodeodance]

75. yup--BO really knows his CHANGE~

[rodeodance]

6. BO brought on his own problem. And now the RW is taking advantage of it. I

do not like what the RW slime is doing at all.

[tblue]

31. And the reason for this gloating?

Unfortunately, she is despised by 51% of voters.

[rodeodance]

65. did you read my post?---no you did not comprehend it if

you thought is was gloating.

Please do not ASSume.

[Nedsdag]

73. IT IS GLOATING!

It's so-called people such as yourself (you are not good enough to be considered a whole person) who are the reason I'm solidly in the Obama camp!

If you think "your girl" Hillary will get my vote in November, you can guess again!

[rodeodance]

74. I do not much care what you do --or do not do in Nov.

[Name removed]

76. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Nedsdag]

85. Of course you don't.

You are the typical Hillary supporter: You don't care about anyone else except yourself.

[leftynyc]

91. Do you even realize what you said?

First you say Hillary will not get your vote no matter what and then you slam someone by claiming they don't care about anyone but themselves. What a hypocrit you are.

Don't even both foaming at the mouth and calling me a Hillbot - both candidates suck.

[Nedsdag]

100. At least this hypocrite can SPELL THE WORD HYPOCRITE!

Go vote for Nader, please?

[leftynyc]

101. Oooooh the typo police

Although I have repeatedly said I would vote for the Dem candidate, I will do it once more for you because someone in my office said it was "be nice to assholes day".

Nader can go fuck himself - he's a large part of why we are where we are.

[WilyWondr]

82. Uh, did U notice what post was being repsponded to?

Post #3 billbuckhead
Tue Mar-18-08 10:03 AM
Response to Original message
Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!
It's ironic that white racism didn't destroy Hillary's opponent but that black racism and sexism did the deed.

Post #31 tblue
Tue Mar-18-08 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #3
And the reason for this gloating?
Unfortunately, she is despised by 51% of voters.

Post #65 rodeodance
Tue Mar-18-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #31
did you read my post?---no you did not comprehend it if
you thought is was gloating.
Please do not ASSume.

:rofl:


WTF are you talking about?
Did you ASSume someone was talking to you?

[rodeodance]

7. That gap has widened. just whow.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Maybe Nutter's Endorsement Is Helping In Phili

The less racial polarization the better...

[jackson_dem]

9. It definately is

Nutter is a real agent of change and reformer. When he ran for mayor as a big underdog Obama, an alleged reformer, didn't lend his heavyweight support to him but to the crony of the corrupt John Street and the forces of the status quo. Nutter can see through Obama's words and look at actions. Yes, Barack. They are just words...

[goldcanyonaz]

10. Daily Rasmussen Clinton 44 Obama 45 (down from 50 just last week)

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[Dawgs]

11. Wow. She's still 9 points below where she needs to be in this, and every other, state.

:)

[jackson_dem]

12. Wow you are amazing

My hat is off to your ultra-optimism!

Dawgs, if he keeps this up he won't be the nominee.

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jackson_dem]

23. Nutter isn't why he is at 20% with women and 23% with whites

Obama deserves it. If he is what he claims to be he would have endorsed Nutter instead of the status quo crony of John Street. Nutter knows Obama is all talk.

[Moochy]

24. Yes, PA has discovered its innner scared child

[theredpen]

20. "Dawgs, if he keeps this up he won't be the nominee."

Dawgs — nice "street" lingo there. I guess you're down with the "urban youth." :eyes:

Anyway, how do you figure that Obama could possibly lose the nomination?

[Moochy]

22. Word to my homies rockin the white sheet look

[theredpen]

52. LOL

[jackson_dem]

26. That is the dude's screename, in case you can't read

The sd's won't nominate an unelectable candidate and if PA is a sign of things to come...

[Moochy]

30. Yes, they'll curl their lips in the appropriatly elitist way

and make your girls' dreams come true! dream on.

I love the relentless optimism of the clintons nastiest supporters!

Upbeat optimism, mixed with equal parts divisive race baiting!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. "Dawgs" Is The Poster's Name

-:)

[spotbird]

14. Hate works

every time.

If only she could win the nomination with votes and delegates. The politics of personal destruction is good too.

[goldcanyonaz]

17. Right, people vote for Hillary because they hate; while people vote for Obama because they love.

White people are racists who vote for Clinton, while Blacks who vote for Obama are not.

[Dawgs]

21. The Clinton supporters are racists when they say they are voting based on race.

[jackson_dem]

28. Obama won the racist and sexist vote 2:1 in MS

[rodeodance]

35. BO went after the Black vote--is he a racist? By your 'logic" he would be.

[AX10]

97. Obama used race to get the black vote in MS.

[spotbird]

25. Hate works.

You are proud of what it accomplished, but you want to deny it at the same time. Curious.

The only sure thing is Hillary deserves the nomination because Obama's preacher scares white people. That's a proud accomplishment for her, you must be beaming.

[PoliticalAmazon]

104. Take a look at HRC's crowds and then Obama's crowds

I noticed this a few months ago.

When you see video of HRC speaking to her supporters, they look angry. They frown. They scowl.

When you see video of Obama speaking to his supporters, they are smiling or cheering--but not angry and frowning.

I believe it has to do with the type of message each candidate delivers. Hillary's message is the same as Bush Jr's: fear, anger, self-pity, me-against-them.

Obama's message addresses the issues, but he doesn't need to resort to fear tactics and working the crowd into an angry froth to get their support.

So, now ask yourself: what do you want for the next four years?

Four years of looking like the angry, frowning Hillary crowd?

Or four years of working to solve the problems, as a united group, with confidence we can get the job done?

[rodeodance]

27. BO brought this on himself. He can assume responsiblity for his actions.

[spotbird]

36. It would be more

accurate to say Hillary is responsible for Bill's adultery because she stayed with him after she knew. And equally preposterous.

Catch me up. How has Obama persecuted Hillary in his speech today.

[spotbird]

37. It would be more

accurate to say Hillary is responsible for Bill's adultery because she stayed with him after she knew. And equally preposterous.

Catch me up. How has Obama persecuted Hillary in his speech today.

[spotbird]

38. self delete

[rodeodance]

39. I was not referrring to todays speech so I will not speak to it.

t would be more
Posted by spotbird


accurate to say Hillary is responsible for Bill's adultery because she stayed with him after she knew. And equally preposterous.

Catch me up. How has Obama persecuted Hillary in his speech today.

[spotbird]

The talking points aren't out yet

So I'll help you, Obama didn't distance himself from the scary black preacher.

[spotbird]

44. The talking points aren't out yet

So I'll help you, Obama didn't distance himself from the scary black preacher.

[spotbird]

45. The talking points aren't out yet

So I'll help you, Obama didn't distance himself from the scary black preacher.

[spotbird]

49. The talking points are out now

so I can tell you what you are supposed to think. Obama whined about the past treatment of blacks, didn't condemn Wright, only Wright's words and was mean to Hillary.

[Moochy]

51. shh they are doing flashcards with the talking points

give em 10-15 minutes to process them.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

62. Did hillary condemn ferraro?

[PoliticalAmazon]

106. Hint: He's not Pastor Wright, so he doesn't need to take responsibility for Wright's actions

How about the kid who mows the Obama's lawn? Should Obama take responsibility for her actions too?

[rocktivity]

16. Anything less than 66% isn't enough for Hillary--not in PA or anywhere else

That's what she needs just to pull up close. There's a whopping 14% unaccounted for. And the next primary is NEXT MONTH.

Don't believe the hype.

[Moochy]

18. But the hype its so ..hypey!

They post in packs,and never respond when they are shut down..
"And Ye Shall Know Them From Their Abandoned Subthreads"

[aquarius dawning]

19. There's no rule that says she needs to do that that I'm aware of.

[rocktivity]

43. No rule. Just the math.

:headbang:
rocknation

[easy_b94]

32. ...(I do not believe this poll) but after today those numbers will change

[qanda]

33. It sure will!

This is a great speech.

[jackson_dem]

34. Probably a little but his problems are very fundamental

Just words won't erase them.

[Moochy]

40. "very fundamental"

guilt by association is "very fundamental" to a clinton clone.

fundamental problems.. like what? his opponent is a race baiting republican?

[jackson_dem]

53. Deciding to run for president in your second year in DC is the biggest one

[Moochy]

56. Fundamental

Like praising republicans over fellow democrat?
Supporting ridiculous flag burning amendment?
Getting the vote on IWR wrong after having been hounded by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. So which was it? did that conspiracy go away when GWB got elected?
Taking her husband's experience as her own?
Sending out surrogates to race bait.
Twisting the math of delegates
Moving the Goal posts.

Stick a big ass fork in the Clinton campaign. Its done.

(Cue mandatory reply about "guaranteeing McCain the White House" that falls just short of poster promising to vote for the republican.)

[jackson_dem]

54. No experience is the biggest one

[haymakeragain]

61. He's already won, she cannot beat him without screwing the party.

You should really consider what you are doing and what will come of it.

[BeyondGeography]

46. You're becoming an ugly person

:thumbsup:

[Moochy]

59. Very true, another long time dU'er

rips off the nice civility mask and reveals ugly true self.

[still_one]

47. Wait until we start reliving the Bill Clinton affairs, and the Clinton's associations /nt

[4_Legs_Good]

48. Hillary fans, enjoy Pennsylvania!!! (Because Obama is now unstoppable)

It'll be a big, big big big big night for Hillary, so please, party up, enjoy it, have a great, great time!

And then support her as she goes back to New York and Washington to serve the Nation in the Senate, a Democratic Senate supporting a Democratic President!!!

David

[jackson_dem]

57. He is tanking and Obamites on DU think he is unstoppable

Ok...optimism is great; false hope isn't. He is still the front-runner but the odds of him winning the nomination are far worse than they were one week ago. One speech that political junkie Obamites and the msm are drooling over can only recover some of the damage. Most people will only hear clips of it and he didn't say anything groundbreaking in it.

[FyurFly]

63. The words of that bigoted Pastor will ring louder

and louder as the 527's get rolling.

[Moochy]

72. one thing's certain

With the help of ignore, your voice wont be ringing any louder.

PLONK

[Hoof Hearted]

94. If he gets the nomination, 527's will chop him off at the knees before he even gets out of the gate.

[rodeodance]

66. gawd, I read the subject lines of the threads--he is the SAVIOR!

[4_Legs_Good]

90. To be honest, he probably *is* the savior - of the party.

At least in my mind. He's the one who will breathe new life into the increasingly stoggy, dusty, old Democratic party.

Yes, he is the savior. I'm willing to accept that characterization.

David

[4_Legs_Good]

92. Hee hee "tanking"

Sorry, and I don't begrudge Clinton supporters their optimism either.

But I'd easily put money on the fact that he will be the nominee, and that nothing can stop him now. I have no doubt, as I've said, that Clinton will win Pennsylvania, and likely win it big, but 2 weeks later it will be forgotten like so many delegates in Ohio.

I can understand your thought that this Wright stuff is really damaging, but I just don't see it, and I defintely don't see it after today. Further, if Obama can turn all the vitriol from the MSM and the blogosphere the last week into a net positive, it shows, IMO, what a brilliant politician he is.

IMO, it's done, if I'm wrong, well hell, I'll just retire to Bedlam and he'll be President in my mind.

David

[Blu Dahlia]

50. I know a guy from Philly... he can't process that things are changing

in the world. He's black but he doesn't think a black man can win and that's the only reason why he's supporting Clinton.

[soleft]

55. More popular than Jackson was with Seminole Indians

You do know that Jackson was a rascist genocidal maniac, right?

[jackson_dem]

67. Barack Obama on the founder of our party

Yes, and the Seminoles were innocent saints too. :sarcasm: He also praised a racist slaveowner, a racist support of segregation and interning of Japanese-Americans, and a guy who appointed racists to the bench. All four were sexist. Maybe Obama recognizes that historical figures must be judged in the context they lived in?

-snip-

This is our moment. This is our time for change. Our party - the Democratic Party - has always been at its best when we've led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we've called all Americans to a common purpose - a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed - that all of us are created equal - that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We're the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We're the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we're the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

That is who we are. That is the Party that we need to be, and can be, if we cast off our doubts, and leave behind our fears, and choose the America that we know is possible. Because there is a moment in the life of every generation, if it is to make its mark on history, when its spirit has to come through, when it must choose the future over the past, when it must make its own change from the bottom up.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obamas_speech_to_virginias_jef.html

[jackson_dem]

68. Barack Obama on the founder of our party

Yes, and the Seminoles were innocent saints too. :sarcasm: He also praised a racist slaveowner, a racist support of segregation and interning of Japanese-Americans, and a guy who appointed racists to the bench. All four were sexist. Maybe Obama recognizes that historical figures must be judged in the context they lived in?

-snip-

This is our moment. This is our time for change. Our party - the Democratic Party - has always been at its best when we've led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we've called all Americans to a common purpose - a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed - that all of us are created equal - that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We're the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We're the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we're the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

That is who we are. That is the Party that we need to be, and can be, if we cast off our doubts, and leave behind our fears, and choose the America that we know is possible. Because there is a moment in the life of every generation, if it is to make its mark on history, when its spirit has to come through, when it must choose the future over the past, when it must make its own change from the bottom up.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obamas_speech_to_virginias_jef.html

[WDIM]

87. Jackson wouldn't even be a democrat today.

"historical figures must be judged in the context they lived in"

total genocidal racist who murdered thousands and thousands of Native Americans.

[jackson_dem]

108. Would Jefferson? FDR? Lincoln a Dem? We can never know. The issues always change

The fundamental issue has always been whether you are for economic justice or for the interests of the elite. That is the one common thread in our party going back to Jefferson and Jackson all the way to now.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

58. "SURGING"? You only provide ONE POINT IN TIME!

[jackson_dem]

69. Iowa to Mississippi, 1/3 to 3/11, 40 states doesn't provide enough data points?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

77. That's not what you posted. Different polls have different biases because

they use different methods. Therefore LEVELS from different polls cannot be compared to each other.

DIFFERENCES between results at different times for the SAME poll are more reliable, because biases at different points in time tend to offset each other.

One time point from one poll is not very reliable.

[jackson_dem]

79. Name one poll that had Clinton at 27% with blacks after O swiftboated the Clintons on race

[ProgressiveEconomist]

84. Huh???

[shayes51]

60. Thank you.

:yourock:

[shawmut]

70. That is great news

:kick:

[SoCalDem]

71. Yup..bigots & racists live in PA? Didn't we already know that?

I'm surprised to see people embracing that though:shrug:

The analysis I see is this..

HRC was SUPPOSED to win PA, and by about the margin some polls show her at now..

a YEAR ago, 36% of PA dems said they would vote for her... this was when BHO was at 15%(and virtually unknown).. As people started paying closer attention, they each came up 15% or so (he a bit more, actually)..

Not surprising, really..

[jackson_dem]

78. Wow. I am shocked it took this long for an Obama supporter to use race as an excuse

We will hear more of this from the same people who angrily attacked Rendell for saying the same thing.

If it is due to racism why was he in a dead heat in PA before Texas, Ohio, NAFTAgate, pastorgate, and the Rezko trial?

[SoCalDem]

81. Hey.. Hillary HAS to win somewhere, doesn't she?

give her some credit, why don't you.. there are a finite number of delegates available, and she has to get them from somewhere.. if she gets them, he doesn;t..it's all just that simple..

she was predicted to win Ohio & Pennsylvania..and it looks like did and will.. Texas was a wash for her..he got more delegates.

she's a hard campaigner, and had to do what she had to do...to win.. I think we all understand

[SeaLyons]

86. ..

:thumbsup:

[rocktivity]

80. This would actually have significance

if the primary were tomorrow.

GET THEE BEYOND ME, POLL! UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!!!



:headbang:
rocknation

[ericgtr]

83. Everything changes after today

look for a huge turn around.

[apocalypsehow]

88. LOL! "A survey of 597 likely Democratic primary voters" 597! Wow! What a broad-based poll!

:rofl:

:eyes:

:thumbsdown:

[jackson_dem]

89. That is how polling works. PPP was on target in SC

[Hoof Hearted]

93. This is exactly what I thought would happen - expect this lead to expand.

[marshall]

95. Hillary surging? Isn't surge a RW code word?

The troops are surging in Iraq, Hillary is surging in Pennsylvania, and all is well with the DNC?

[rodeodance]

99. gee, you better tell that to the Obamafolk, as they use it alll over the place here on DU

[AX10]

96. What's this?

Didn't they get the memo that they are all supposed to fall inline behind Obama?

Seriously, I will be going to PA and we will earn a major victory there!

[rodeodance]

98. Will you be working there--for the campaign?--great.

[AX10]

102. I will be doing so.

[cali]

103. I'll bet this doesn't last

We're still a month out and this isn't post speech. Obama is going to get a lot of positive press from this speech. Watch the numbers narrow as the election draws nearer.

[grantcart]

107. so you are predicting a huge landslide in PA for Clinton

[jackson_dem]

109. If the election were tomorrow, yes, but Obama has 5 weeks to do something

[grantcart]

111. no no your right she has an absolutely insurmountable lead she should win by atleast 25 points

She will win by one of the greatest landslides in American history.

[against all enemies]

110. He's your nominee, you should stop with the hate. There's a king of

Saudi Arabia in PA? News to me.

[elixir]

112. Jackson Dem, my hero.