POLL - OBAMA'S "RACISM" SPEECH: HELP HIM or HURT HIM???

[RoadRage]

Poll question: POLL - OBAMA'S "RACISM" SPEECH: HELP HIM or HURT HIM???

Please Vote & Reply after you've SEEN the speech.. not just after reading a few reviews or seeing a few posters here on the boards. It should be on YouTube, and re-running on the news channels through out the day.

[TwilightGardener]

1. It was beautiful. If it actually hurts him, then we live in one seriously and irretrievably

fucked-up country.

[monmouth]

2. MSNBC front page poll.. Translated 67% LOVED it!...n/t

[backscatter712]

3. I think he just saved his candidacy, and did some tremendous good for this country.

He told the truth, did what few politicians do - humanize those that make him look bad instead of throwing them under the bus, brought some light on the long-standing problems of race and class in this country, and showed what few people have demonstrated in the last few decades - leadership. True leadership.

[monmouth]

4. MSNBC front page poll.. Translated 67% LOVED it!...n/t

[papau]

5. MSNBC and DU rave reviews were expected - but we'll have to wait for polls to find

out if the media swung this one his way,

I thought half the speech was Hillary did it, the other half I inherited the problem and can make it better.

The Hillary did it was funny when he pulled the IWR vote into a speech on Wright and his relationship and race - "political opportunism" is a kind phrase to use.

as to your poll - as a Clinton supporter I'd say he helped himself - despite a poorly written and poorly spoken intro, he had the applause lines and did the "perfected not perfect" line enough times to get it into the 6 pm news.

It will depend on the media noticing he will not distance himself from Wright or explain how 20 years of Wright hate sermons did not get him to change churches - the GOP will notice - but I expect the media selling of Obama to continue and for him to count this as a good day.

[RoadRage]

6. I thought half the speech was Hillary did it,

WHAT?? I heard maybe 2 lines in the entire speech that even came close to Hillary - and did he actually even mention her name? He brought up the Ferarro instance - but even with that I think he was demonstrating that both candidates have people saying things that neither campaign represents. I thought that was a concillatory statement to Hillary, not a barb. Maybe I missed it.. and, admittedly, i'm viewing the speech through "Obama" goggles.. not Hillary ones. :)

[Drunken Irishman]

7. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it won't hurt him.

[BenDavid]

8. the reprobate got caught in a lie..no speech will cover it up...

[FrenchieCat]

9. That speech helped us........

That what it did. It may have saved us from ourselves! :patriot:

[NorthernSpy]

10. anyone who received it badly is no friend of ours, in any case...

... and never was.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. You got that right.

[Forkboy]

23. Exactly. Doesn't matter who you support.

:thumbsup:

[question everything]

11. I am a Clinton supporter and I think that it was a good speech

but then, I always look for substance and not for images.

I never thought that Obama should take the blame for Rev. Wright, but I think that it became a hot button for two reasons:

1. It showed that tensions between the races are alive and well. That just wishing to transcend them simply is not working.

2. The media and others have been giving Obama such a clean ride, while tarring and feathering Clinton at every turn - and being ridiculed for that on SNL, an Olbermann's sister show - that this gave them a chance to show that, hey, they are non-biased.

[KittyWampus]

13. other- too soon to tell. #1. There were no easy soundbites #2 Fox just butchers his words anyway

and will take something like "racial anger" or "I will not disown Wright" and continue on with their smear.

[RoadRage]

15. Bingo.. "Obama condems pastor, but will not disown him".. is the headline.

That is TRUE.. but that is one very small snippit of his speech. It's too bad (but expected) that is what they chose to put up as a headline.

How about "Obama seeks to mend racial currents in America".. or "Obama acknowledges both Blacks & Whites have work ahead for racial parity". I guess those would be sort of obvious?? :eyes:

[Loge23]

14. "Undecided" opinion

This was the best I ever heard him.
I have criticized Obama before for being too general with his speeches/comments.
Not this time. Unlike most politicians, he did not run away from either his relationship the Pastor nor his own belief and experience regarding the elephant in the room - racism.
The right wing embrances fire & brimstone WHITE preachers, but then conveniently offer Pastor Wright's out-of-context sound bites as as indication of "what we'll get" with Obama.
In another thread recently, previewing this speech, I posted my own wrong prediction about Obama's remarks today being another general reading about change.
That was wrong. He may have changed me today.

[RoadRage]

16. Frankly.. your opinion matters more the most here today. Thanks!

Obama supporters (like myself) could have heard him say anything, and we probably would have still loved him for it.

On the other side, to devout Clinton supporters - there isn't ANYTHING he could have said that would have changed their minds.

But to the undecideds.. that is where this is most important. How do YOU view it? And, I appreciate your opinion!

[Bluerthanblue]

17. for anyone who sincerly had a problem with "Wright" - Obama

but that completely to bed.

He spoke with humility, honesty, and grace. There will be those who still hold this against Obama- but they held thier own prejudice against him to begin with, the "Wright" issue was simply a convienient face to hid their own bigotry behind.

He spoke healing to Hillary- (the ferrario flap wasn't Hillary's doing) and about the flaws in all of America. He showed that he really does look at situations from perspectives that aren't his, and understands why and how others can hold the view they do. He showed us how much we need a leader who doesn't just throw ugly stereotypes at those who are "against" him, but asks us all to think about what is BEST- and what in his, and Abe's words would head us toward "A More PERFECT Union".


I'm with him 100%.
Yes WE can-!


peace~

[RoadRage]

19. I agree.. he brought this 180 degrees back

to where it needs to be. About the issues, about the election, and about the fact that racism is just one of many issues we need to focus on. I thought it was a phenominal speech.

[juajen]

18. Another meaningless poll. Why do you waste your time?

NT

[RoadRage]

20. And yet you took the time to reply to it - but i'm wasting MY time? Wow.. just wow.

I guess you're having a bad day, eh?

[Forkboy]

24. Just to piss you off.

[Fovea]

21. Edwards supporter

I heard the message that opportunity is not a zero sum game.

That is a radical statement in post democracy America.
Can Obama restore democracy to America?
I think it is possible.

I want Nancy Pelosi to promise me one thing. I want her to promise me the next time the Secret Service bails on Barak, that Impeachment goes back on the f'n table so hard it breaks the inkwells.

[Tribetime]

22. interesting I did a poll earlier

and 35% or so thought he would get no bump or lose ground in the poll.

[RoadRage]

25. Polls on this site are not an "exact" science...

I take 'em all with a grain of salt. But, with almost all Obama supporters thinking it went well, 3 out of 4 Hillary supporters thinking it was actually good - and over 1/2 of Undecideds - I'd say overall, it was a great speech that had good impact.