Obama needed to throw Wright under the bus, he didn't do that and he is now screwed

[Herman Munster]

Fox news, hannity, limbaugh, o'reilly will focus on the comments where Obama defended Wright.

The story will go on.

[babylonsister]

1. Why do you watch that trash, Herman? Who CARES what they're

saying?

[mod mom]

7. IGNORE IS YOUR FRIEND. If we all ignore these folks, maybe they'll go away.

[Nedsdag]

32. No, don't ignore anyone.

Take them on!

Show them how ridiculous their comments are.

Don't stick your head in the sand. Let them have it!

[olkaz]

53. You're missing the point.

Arguing with a troll means the troll wins. Always.

Debate all sides with civility. Waste no time in ignoring those that would abuse the message board with ridiculousness and hate.

Use the ignore button in situations like this.

[rodeodance]

57. Their smut is doing damage to the Dem party--denying it will not make it go away

[babylonsister]

62. So today you're anti-r/w, vs. yesterday?

You're so confusing! :crazy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5133132#5133258

[rodeodance]

64. You presume to know me. Stop making ASSumptions and you might learn something.

[apocalypsehow]

61. Herman here cares - ALOT. He's always posting OP's with breathless updates about what Hannity, Rush,

O'Reilley, and all the other stars of Hate Radio think about Senator Obama. He also apparently keeps up with the denizens of Free Republic and their take on the matter - they seem to be on the same wavelength as our very own Herman when it comes to Senator Obama, and he's more than happy to tell us all about it when the fancy strikes him.

You might just say he's a real expert on right-wing cesspools and the prominent voices wading around in them. A reasonable person might also conclude something else...

[polichick]

2. Pearls before swine!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Of course they will.

Do you take Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly seriously?

[DrDan]

5. well . . . just guessing . . . . but I think the point is that there are millions that do . . . .

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Yeah, racists.

But we already knew they wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.

So what's his point?

[islandmkl]

4. did you really think anything Barack said would change your comment:

"Fox news, hannity, limbaugh, o'reilly will focus on the comments where Obama defended Wright.

The story will go on."



We know the choir THEY are preaching to...

are you in the front row??

[Mz Pip]

12. Not only is he in the front row

He appears to be cheering them on.

[The Wielding Truth]

60. For some reason they do like Obama. It's so inconsistent

with the rest of their logic. We just can't think that anything would penetrate the RW mind set,but Barack accepts them and they feel like he is not as hostile as we are.

If he could close the gap that caused this Gingrich take over in '92. We could slowly win back our Democracy. We must support the growth of respect that is abundant in Obama. It may blossom into a stronger respect for the individuals and corporate rights will be secondary to individual civil rights again.

Think we could do it?

[mindfulNJ]

6. As if

any of their loyal listeners is going to vote for a Dem anyway.:eyes:

[DJ13]

9. So have Hillary deliver an inspirational speech

:rofl:

[Armstead]

10. Will you be disapponted if they don't?

[PVnRT]

11. Look, version five of the same idiotic sentiment!

[ourbluenation]

13. you completely missed the main point of his speech. there is a choice here, who cares what hannity

and company latches on to. choose to say "now is not the time" for that old, tired noise anymore.

[FredScuttle]

14. Who defines our discourse?

The filth you mentioned? Faux, Hannity, Limpballs, O'Falafel and the rest of those clowns?

NO....WE DEFINE OUR DISCOURSE.


If they have a problem with Obama's pastor, fuck them.

[npincus]

15. Is tht ALL you got out of the speech?

I feel sorry for you. Partisanship has twisted you like a pretzel. Didn't you get anything ot of it, irrespective of whomever you think is the best candidate?

[loveangelc]

16. Rush said with no revote in Fl, Mi, and now Obama's speech today in the beginning, Hillary

must be very upset and throwing things in her hotel room.

He gave his usual bs, but admitted the speech was excellent and was basically begging his audience not to fall for it....lol.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. If we pat you on the head lightly

will you finally get it?

[americanstranger]

18. Interesting that you think 'throwing someone under the bus' is the only course of action.

It's political expediency, and at the end of the day it's nothing more than cowardice.

Obama showed real courage regarding Wright. I'm not surprised you don't recognize courage when you see it.

- as

[Life Long Dem]

19. Your one who would throw your uncle under a bus wouldn't you?

Sad

[GihrenZabi]

20. Zip it

It's this kind of philistine pig-ignorance that drags this campaign down.

Who the hell said that Obama HAS to apologize for his pastor? Your comments make me wonder if you're just a Freeper...

Show some common sense. We are ALL associated with people who have some views we don't agree with, whether it's relatives, co-workers, college professors - does spending time in a room with someone mean you absorb their opinions through osmosis?

All this nonsense about Wright is idiocy in the extreme, stirred up by the media which needs a headline and Hillary supporters who know their only chance to win is to tar Obama as much as possible to pave the way for superdelegate chicanery.

For the love of God, can we get a break from the idiocy for just a few months, to let this thing play out without further slime?

[patrice]

49. "does spending time in a room with someone mean you absorb their opinions through osmosis?"

It does if you're a Repuglican or a Freeper.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

21. "Fox news, hannity, limbaugh, o'reilly" are still going on about Monica.

I don't think that bunch is the proper gauge for this.

[BlooInBloo]

22. He was screwed the minute he opened his mouth....

... White folks have made damn sure that black folks aren't allowed to talk about racism, via locutions such as "reverse racism", "oversensitive", and a whole host of other methods.

Use the new PA polling as a baseline; see if Obama goes up or down from there as a result of today's speech.

It's the beauty of having the foxes guard the henhouse; no matter how many hens get eaten, it's ALWAYS the hens who are oversensitive.

[cali]

23. Here's your problem Hermster, most of the media will

frame this speech as meaningful, great, etc. In fact, that's already happening. No matter what Obama said, Faux and limbaugh would come down on him. And don't worry, hermie, they'll find some time for hill too.

[Johnny__Motown]

24. Fuck FOX News and all the other RW nut jobs you listed

Let the story go on, that was the point.


He isn't trying to kill the story, he is changing the story.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Why should we focus, or base our position going forward, on what the Republicans thinks of us?

Thats a sure fire way to lose Herman and it means that they have already won.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. Well If He's Screwed, At Least It Was Due To His Standing On Integrity And Delivering A Speech

that should be applauded by all. If he's to be screwed, at least he was screwed while being a real democrat and a democrat every one of us can be damned proud of. If he's to be screwed, at least he stood up there and said words that needed to be said and did so with brilliant tact and honesty. If he's to be screwed, at least we can all look to him with pride and admiration for doing what he did and in the way he did it. For if he is to be screwed, then so too are we all, because it shows this county would not yet be mature enough to treat each other as equals.

But if he is to be screwed, than he is screwed while still being at his core a wiser, stronger and better human being, than anyone who is doing the screwing. And regardless of what comes, I will stand behind him with pride at his being a Senator of my party.

But I don't think he's screwed. In fact, I think he just showed why our party is leaps and bounds ahead of the other party as it relates to just simply human decency.

[RiverStone]

58. I'll echo that!

And I agree - Obama did show the very best of our party today. :patriot:

[KingFlorez]

27. Who cares what those nuts focus on?

They should be ignored, period.

[joeglow3]

28. One line that stuck out to me was:

"Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

-While there is truth there, I think most people would flat out leave their church if their pastor, priest or rabbi said some of things Wright said. I am not talking about the content of what he said, but how he said it (for instance, continually taking the Lord's name in vain). I know if my priest was standing in front of my family and saying G-D whatever, I would question his ability to lead a religious congregation if he can't follow one of the easier commandments.

That said, this SHOULD have little bearing on the election as I see it as more of a fault in a religious context (which has no place in an election) and not something about race. However, I am worried that much of populace will still act on this.

[Wickerman]

51. I didn't see it as taking the Lord's name in vain

He was asking God to damn those who was seeing as transgressors. A very literal use of the expression God dam. Not Goddamm, as a common swearing expression. YMMV.

[joeglow3]

29. Double post

Double post

[Jersey Devil]

30. Could any Democrat ever give a speech that would please hannity, limbaugh, etc?

Is that what you think the Democratic nominee should focus on, how to please right wing zealots? Did you think any Democrat would ever change their minds?

[RichardRay]

31. Good. If that's what it would take to avoid being 'screwed'...

then he'll get beaten. That's the way the system works. I hope that's not what happens, since I'd see it as a pretty damning comment on the mental capacity and political acuity of the American people, but if that's what it is then, so be it.

[tridim]

33. I believe the correct term is "screwn" in this context.

That context being of course, 100% RW talking points.

[Jersey Devil]

34. Did you think any Democrat could ever please those people?

Is that what you think the Democratic nominee should focus on, how to please right wing zealots? Did you think any Democrat would ever change their minds?

[BenDavid]

35. The fact is that Obama can give a good speech But that is all

he has done.

If Obama believed any of what he is saying then why did he ever allow the racial divisiness his campaign launched against Hillary and Bill Clinton? Why didn't he fire Jesse Jackson Jr when he used the racial card against Hillary.

He doesn't live up to his words. They are empty words.......

[Rex_Goodheart]

36. Sadly, I agree

He COULD have hit a homerun, but he didn't. Here are a few of his comments:

quote:
But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

quote:
the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between todays black and white students.

quote:
That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of todays urban and rural communities

quote:
A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for ones family, contributed to the erosion of black families - a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods - parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement - all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.

quote:
For the men and women of Reverend Wrights generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends


Well, the problem with that is that Obama, just like Wright, still seems to be laying all the problems of the black community on the feet of white Americans. Sorry, but that's just not going to cut it. Where was Obama's call for PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY? Frustrated white Americans on the fence, while agreeing that most of what Obama said was correct, will not concede that the present level of opportunity for blacks in this country justify the level of crime, for example, that emanates from the black community.

[papau]

37. The media is trying to spin it in Obama's favor - and may succeed

but polls a week from now will tell the story's ending - for now.

For the general it did nothing to put to rest anything.

[Zodiak]

38. You have no credibility, Munster

...none at all. You have long-ago jumped the shark.

[Poll_Blind]

39. Clinton supporters give too much headspace to Hammity, Rush, etc.

And that's why they act the way they do. Why dance a jig to keep them from attacking? They'll just play a harder tune to follow.

PB

[frylock]

40. clinton needed to throw kyle/lieberman under the bus, she didn't do that and she is now screwed

i allow right-wing assholes to form my opinions for me. film at elevens.

[berni_mccoy]

41. DU needed to throw Herman Munster under the bus, but we didn't and now were SCREWN! I'm SERIES!!1!

[rateyes]

54. ROFL...

Best post of this thread. :rofl:

[txaslftist]

42. LOL? Ya think?

Cause I don't think so.

[cooolandrew]

43. I respect that he didn't you don't throw friedns under a bus.

[cooolandrew]

44. I respect that he didn't you don't throw friedns under a bus.

[rateyes]

45. Hey Herman,

Lily and Grandpa sent you a message via rateyes:

They said, "shut the fuck up."

You're part of the problem. Either become part of the solution, or get out of the way. The issue was addressed head-on. It was refreshing to hear it.

Even Hillary praised him for giving the speech.

[tbyg52]

46. This isn't an anti-Obama comment

It's a statement about what the poster thinks the RW will do. And he's almost certainly right. And I think/hope it won't matter!

[VolcanoJen]

47. No. Rule #1: Don't Feed The Wingnuts.

If he had thrown his friend and pastor Jeremiah Wright under the bus, do you really believe for one moment that the story ends there? My goodness, no. You need to explore a deeper understanding of the way Wingnut Media operates.

If Obama had done what the Hannity/Limbaugh crowd had "told" him to do, they would have been rather pleased with themselves, and would have then begun to ask him why he hasn't thrown Al Sharpton under the bus. Jesse Jackson. Dick Gregory. Mark Thompson. And do you think they'd stop at his wife, Michelle? No. They would've turned their fire on her next. In fact, they already have, and they'll continue to do so.

But you don't feed wingnuts. You don't play in their arena. Watchers of this kind of mental garbage were never going to vote for Obama in the first place. It's really a very simple thing, when you allow yourself to think about it.

Why do you think they're reacting so angrily right now? They didn't get what they demanded and they're just going to push harder now.

One thing that really excites me about a possible President Obama is that I really believe it will be the beginning of the utter marginalization of these "Love America, Hate Americans" asshats.

[democrattotheend]

48. I disagree

If he had thrown Wright under the bus, it would have been a betrayal of a friend and everyone would have known it. It would have seemed cold and calculating. This way, win or lose, he ends up with his head held high and his beliefs in tact. At the end of the day he can be proud of his campaign, and so can we.

[olkaz]

50. /ignore

Seriously, inflammatory rhetoric doesn't get anything across.

[rateyes]

52. Don't you ever get tired of

being the turd in the punch bowl?

[RiverStone]

55. NO! Obama turned divisiveness into inspiration!

Faux can go fuck themselves and as the M$M starts to replace the bad (Wright) with the amazing (Obama) speech today --- whatever small hit he has taken over the past few days will not only be reversed, but he and his campaign will be the better for it.

So will our country! :patriot:

[AlCzervik]

56. it's really interesting how concerned you are about what Rump Leakage and Hannity think.

You are aware Herman are you not about Hannity mocking Abner Louima who was sodomized with a broom stick and various other objects. It's speaks volumes about whose opinion is important.

[jgraz]

59. Time for Herman to go bye-bye

You have never posted a single thing worth reading. What an absolute disgrace you are. :thumbsdown:

[rucky]

65. Aw come on...

We have our own little Hannity. Can we keep him, pleeease?

[rodeodance]

67. More obamafolk Lectures. This is DU. get a grip.

[jgraz]

68. And bye to you and your worthless fucking subject lines.

Never one damn word of value. Not one.

[rodeodance]

69. I am honored. More swearing from an Obamafolk typical.

[Catherine Vincent]

71. And who the fuck are you?

You've got some damn nerve.

[jgraz]

72. And finally, though your stupidity has provided lots of laughs, you go to.

It's take out the trash day.

[Catherine Vincent]

73. Likewise.

:eyes:

[mzmolly]

63. He handled this beautifully.

Listening to his historic speech now.

[Swamp Rat]

66. PLOP!

[JTFrog]

70. Maybe Bill will go on Rush's show again and make it happen for you. n/t