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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:28 PM
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I had issues with the area of his speech when he spoke of his memoir
"Dreams from my father" because there were excerpts in it that I felt were reflective of Rev. Wright. I believe his memoir represents Obama's inner beliefs and ideals he sees in america. However, I found issue in some of the excerpts which I felt very uncomfortable with.

This is what Obama stated in his speech today referencing "In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity":

“People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend’s voice up into the rafters….And in that single note – hope! – I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories – of survival, and freedom, and hope – became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn’t need to feel shame about…memories that all people might study and cherish – and with which we could start to rebuild.”

Here are some quotes from Obama's memoir I wanted to share with GD-P because it made me uncomfortable:
1)“I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”
In my opinion, he is saying he doesn't relate to the white community and was ashamed of them. I'm not sure where this feeling is coming from.

2)“never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself…”
I took this statement as meaning he finds attributes in the black community but wasn't able to find in the white community. Again, this concerns me because I'm not sure where this feeling is coming from.

3)“certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust.”
This concerns me because he is seeing some groups of white communities as distrustful while trusting others, he's grouping white communities in trustworthy and non-trustworthy categories. He's saying he doen't trust some white communities and to the life of me, I can't figure why he feels this way.

4)“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos."
This means to me he chose his friends based on race and ethnicity and that he was calculating in making sure he was accepted without looking like he was self serving.

5)“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”
This bothers me because he seems to be seeking and keeping approval of the black community but he was targeting another race group to strike out against.

6)“There was something about him that made me wary...a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”
I can't imagine what Obama is thinking in this statement. He was describing his boss when he was a community organizer in Chicago and in my opinion is a conspicuous racist statement.

Maybe I'm looking at these quotes from a different perspective then others would but not knowing Obama personally I have to think there is merit to these quotes. It leads me to believe these quotes embody his ideals and how he perceives america as being black and white but not gray.

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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:31 PM
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1. You realize these are past tense
and that he ultimately rejects these sentiments? That they are parts of his development as a person? That's the very construction of a bildungsroman, which his book is.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:34 PM
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2. tishaLA I'm glad you responded because
I'm trying to understand Obama. He will most likely be our nominee so I'm trying to see where his ideals, beliefs are coming from. I will admit the Rev Wright issues have bothered me so that's why I posted my feelings to see if anyone has a perspective on this.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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3. He couldn't care less - can you imagine how much time went into going thru
a book and clipping out every phrase that you could object to. The OP doesn't give a shit about what Obama is trying to communicate he is simply trying to pick him a part.

The fact that he would miss the entire arch of the speech in order to give him a chance to go back and miss the entire arch of the book shows that this guy has his mind made up, and under the cover of 'fair' examination wants to sink Obama rather than try to understand the man.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:39 PM
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4. If that's the way you feel that's your right
And all I can do is disagree with you on my motives. That said, I hope everyone doesn't use your logic in reading my post.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:46 PM
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5. I suggest you read one of his books.
Dreams from My Father is only $8.95 from Amazon now.

Audacity of Hope is only $8.97.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:10 PM
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6. Obama is describing the typical feelings of a child of
parents of different and traditionally adversarial racial or ethnic backgrounds. I know someone extremely well who is 1/2 Austrian and 1/2 Jewish and was born in 1940. He went through the same kind of confusion about who he was and in which group he belonged. This is normal. Obama showed in this speech that he understands the process he went through and has gone through it in a spiritual sense. In my experience, this is a very difficult conflict to resolve, but people who resolve it as Obama appears to have done, become wonderful, insightful human beings. Obama's inner struggle reflects the struggle that our nation has been going through for many, many years -- since before we were a nation even.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:43 PM
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7. but he was loved and raised by his white mother and her

parents, also white, after his black african father abandoned him and his mother, and he grew up in hawaii and indonesia, where being biracial or multiracial is common. i had biracial and multiracial friends as a child in the fifties and since 1960 my family has included persons of color and biracial children, but i haven't seen this rejection of one heritage before. it is sad that he fixated on his black father to identify with to the exclusion of whites since he is half-white. it seems he only wants to use white people, not to befriend them. how can a person with that attitude unify the party, much less the country? dems are in big trouble because the media built obama up and people obeyed the media's suggestions and voted for this unvetted and inexperienced candidate. he needs to withdraw from the race now. if he does it gracefully, he might have a political future.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:43 PM
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8. but he was loved and raised by his white mother and her

parents, also white, after his black african father abandoned him and his mother, and he grew up in hawaii and indonesia, where being biracial or multiracial is common. i had biracial and multiracial friends as a child in the fifties and since 1960 my family has included persons of color and biracial children, but i haven't seen this rejection of one heritage before. it is sad that he fixated on his black father to identify with to the exclusion of whites since he is half-white. it seems he only wants to use white people, not to befriend them. how can a person with that attitude unify the party, much less the country? dems are in big trouble because the media built obama up and people obeyed the media's suggestions and voted for this unvetted and inexperienced candidate. he needs to withdraw from the race now. if he does it gracefully, he might have a political future.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:21 PM
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9. Yes, the person I know never met his father because his
father was interned in a concentration camp. Obama's experience is typical. May children imagine a perfect parent. And children who never know one of their parents are quite likely to imagine that the absent parent is perfect. Obama's experience is quite normal.

Obama was talking about the experiences he had as a young man while he was going through the process of dealing with the conflicts in our society and in his families. It is quite normal for a person who is born of parents of warring or opposing cultures to identify with the minority culture, the historically oppressed culture.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:25 PM
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10. You seems to have a lot of issues with blackness in general.
Do people who are different than you are make you anxious?

I hope you get help with that.

Obama's whole point today was that we can see ourselves most clearly in other people, and in people who are different.

I guess you missed that part.
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