If Hillary's opponent really cared about racial conciliation............

[billbuckhead]

he would quit that church. Action speak louder than rhetoric, except it seems for Hillary's opponent.

[Nitrogenica]

1. Um.....read his speech.

He takes issues head on, rather than running from them like you are suggesting.

[cooolandrew]

2. Yeah he has denounced those comment and Wright has RETIRED.

Blooming stirring I get sick of it.

[jackson_dem]

30. It only took him 20 years to denounce and only after he was forced to do so politically...

[VotesForWomen]

39. but.. but... he gave a SPEECH.... nt

[jackson_dem]

57. Obama says words matter. Does he also think silence for 20 years matters?

;)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. If you cared about racial concilliation, you'd accept a black person as nominee.

But given your already stated position on black nominees, I really don't think you care that much.

[cooolandrew]

That's true gladto see the OP supports Obama =)

[cooolandrew]

6. That's true gladto see the OP supports Obama =)

[cooolandrew]

14. Proper raism is about oppression which is pators point to start with.

[11 Bravo]

52. Over 1K posts and you still don't have the hang of it? Dude, once is plenty.

And spellcheck remains your friend.

[billbuckhead]

13. Harold Ford would be a far better choice

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. harold ford cannot hold a candle to Barack. His DLC connections taint him,

taint him badly.

[Alter Ego]

26. Wow, those DLC goggles are snug, aren't they?

[haymakeragain]

41. Shark jumping special, step right up.

Your slip is totally showing. So Harold ford is your kinda black candidate? I'm wondering why. I think I know, but could you help me out a bit. why?

[Ken Burch]

59. You mean the Harold Ford that's forgotten all of black history and runs as a "centrist".

The one who's joined the other side?

The one who, when he's president, you won't KNOW he was ever black?

Yeah, right.

[mmonk]

67. Some of us are not members of the DLC.

[krawhitham]

21. Well, you hit the nail on the head on that one

[papau]

4. His white mother's racist comments he can't run from -but change churches was an option

[cooolandrew]

11. An he didn't choose and had every right not to HE'S HALF WHITE.

[papau]

40. we agree on Mom - but why stay in the Church

[haymakeragain]

44. Maybe he's not a purely political animal, like Hilly.

He knows in his heart what he feels, he doesn't need to make overt, contrived political maneuvers to make you feel better about your support of him. If you cannot support him don't, but the rest of us don't need to hear you parrot righty talking points to prop up your candidate.

[tyne]

12. I think you missed his point.

His point was WHY would he want to run from his pastor OR his grandmother. Just because they talked "crazy" from time to time? He talked about the deep love his grandma has for him and the wonderful things Wright has taught him. So....WHY would anyone run from that?

That was the point.

[Maribelle]

68. Throwing his grandmother under the bus to excuse away his support for hate mongering was deplorable

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[BlooInBloo]

7. Yah! Reverse racism! Woot! yah!

DUers slay me.

[jpak]

8. My 80 YO mother called me today and said "If I was Hillary I'd be shaking in my boots"

:rofl:

[backscatter712]

9. This argument's been debunked dozens of times.

It's been debunked by Obama himself, and it's been debunked here by various posters.

I'll say it once more. The preacher is not the church. When you walk away from a church, you don't just walk away from one preacher who's said stupid things. You walk away from the dozens, hundreds or thousands of people in the church community - the congregation. These are your family, friends neighbors in that congregation. Would you walk away from them too? Obama didn't.

Instead, he chose to stay with the church, just condemn the specific things Wright said that were stupid, hurtful and divisive, and he discussed his disagreements with Wright privately.

Don't give me "If he didn't walk away from the church, he agrees with Wright's hate." That's the same illogical all-or-nothing thinking that you see when Bush says "Yer either with us or with the terrists!"

[Tellurian]

66. If Obama had walked away from Wright early on..

It would have been a sign of his understanding that promoting Hate as Rev Wright does, is not the way for encouraging unity within the Racial Divide. He didn't. What he did do is affirm Rev Wright speaks for him, his wife and the entire Congregation. If I were in the same position and my Pastor used that type of inflammatory rhetoric, I would have risen up from my seat and said I was leaving because this type of rhetoric is offense and does nothing in the way of encouraging meaningful dialog within the community and LEFT!

[keep_it_real]

10. Quotes from white right-wing pastors

SNIP

And now, we go live to all of the quotes from white right-wing pastors and Republican supporters that we will not be talking about so that we can bring you minute-by-minute coverage of black Senator Obama's black pastor's comments in front of a black congregation in a black church:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/18/11139/2312/916/479110

[GodlessBiker]

15. And if Catholics really cared about women's rights, they would quit the church.

Even as an atheist I understand that a person's relationship with his or her church runs deeper than a few pronouncements of the collared class or positions of the church.

[calimary]

17. Not a strong argument. I'm a Catholic who really cares about a woman's right to choose.

My pastors and ministers and guest speakers harangue on about why that right should not exist for me or any other woman. Furthermore, they still, and the entire Catholic machine, pays mere lip-service to the idea of full equality for women while keeping us as second-class citizens still short of claiming all the rights that are given to men in the church. I haven't bailed on Catholicism yet. I'm a lapsed Catholic but still a Catholic nonetheless.

[AGiordino]

18. Gawd & I was starting to wonder why I had abandoned this place

thanx for the reminder

[kwassa]

19. There is nothing wrong with Obama's church.

Pretty impressive place, actually.

[SeaLyons]

20. If you call hate mongering

impressive....There is nothing impressive with a Pastor that perpetuates hate. Nothing!!! There is nothing christian about it, nothing healing about it, nothing productive. It is not the norm in all black churches, as Obama would have us believe. He belongs to and embraces a radical belief. Sorry, I don't see that as impressive. I see it as holding on to the victim stance.

[EFerrari]

28. You people are inpenetrable. What a shame. n/t

[haymakeragain]

49. It is a shame. It's like they are being cheated out of their birthright.

I think that they believe that Hillary was chosen for this election. Maybe the right-wing crazies on the radio were right, maybe this was the plan all along, Bill then Hill in '08, and now Obama is throwing a wrench into it and they aren't gonna let that happen, no how no way, by hook or by crook.

I wonder how many adamant Hillary supporters worked this hard in 2004? I wonder how many of them stayed home.

[EFerrari]

51. I know my mom feels cheated -- cheated, not bested

This can't be over too soon for me.

[haymakeragain]

54. It's gonna get worse before it gets better, that's for sure.

I keep asking the Clinton folks exactly how this is gonna play out. How does she win the nomination? No one wants to address that exactly, but the only way is if they can destroy Obama and crowbar enough supers. That ain't gonna be pretty.

Maybe she will call it off. Maybe he will.

[EFerrari]

55. You may be right. She's not going to let go easily even now

when there's no way she can win without cheating and when the party is starting to urge her to retire.

[kwassa]

34. Wright is not a hate-mongerer. He preaches against racism, sexism, and homophobia

and what is this garbage about holding onto the victim status?????

[Ken Burch]

60. Christianity is SUPPOSED to be a radical belief.

The true Christian message is egalitarian and anti-militarist. We haven't ever actually HAD Christianity in this world yet.

You want Obama to "know his place" and forget history. You want him to be a president, therefore, who couldn't possibly be DIFFERENT than a Republican. That's what your way leads to.

[SeaLyons]

71. How presumptuous of you....

I do NOT want Obama to "Know his Place". Nor do I want ANY religion brought into the White House and pushed in my face.

[theredpen]

22. Why should he quit the church?

The pastor has retired.

[kid a]

23. corner of e. paces ferry & peachtree street exclusive video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[TahitiNut]

24. He seems unwilling to be stampeded.

He seems to choose to be responsive rather than be reactive. I'm not a fan, but I can certainly respect his stance. I may not be confident in the adequacy of his policy positions, but I see little merit in your posturing.

[EFerrari]

32. That's one of the things that impress me the most.

He stands his ground with a minimum of reactivity. Very difficult to do in that situation and in public.

[TahitiNut]

35. It's the ephemeral that permits me to grant him a marginal preference over Clinton.

I know what "tough" is ... and it ain't reactive. I've seen courage ... and it ain't petty. Character doesn't habitually demean aspiration. Integrity doesn't exploit with one hand what it wouldn't touch with the other.

I still prefer Kucinich - by a wide margin.

[EFerrari]

36. His positions seem nearly identical to hers. His way of doing things

clearly isn't identical. I don't know that I will vote for him, he's not Dennis. But, it has been instructive to see how Obama moves.

[EFerrari]

25. Why should he quit that church?

:crazy:

[olkaz]

27. Here's another example of Obama supporters being trolled.

You're being used, fellas. Freepers are laughing their collective asses off. They come over, make accounts, and troll the hell out of you.

/ignore and move along.

That is all.

[GalleryGod]

29. Hey there, Mr. Atlanta, Georgia, MALE

No body cares what you think, JAFO.

[Nedsdag]

31. That's the problem!

She DOESN'T care about racial conciliation or ANY conciliation.

All she cares about is getting elected.

[SeaLyons]

33. The Clinton's

are beloved in the black community. Your statement is rediculous and untrue.

[Ken Burch]

61. That was before they slandered an excellent presidential candidate who is African American

Black people will never forgive the Clintons for this campaign, and it goes without saying that she couldn't become president by trashing Obama and then do anything positive for black people. You win ugly, you govern ugly.

[damntexdem]

37. Hmm, quit the largest church in the predominently-white UCC.

Quit the faith he believes in? Or just the church that introduced him to that faith?

Quit the church because its former pastor was too hopeless in some of his truth telling about racism in the U.S.?

Were he to quit for the reasons you suggest, he would deserve abandonment.

I will, however, assume that your remarks are not representative of how Hillary's campaign will respond but rather a pernicious variation from HRC's standards. But if her campaign surprises me and DOES respond in a similar manner, that will be further evidence that Hillary is unfit to be president.

Personally, I don't think that even McCain's campaign will offer such a horrible response.

[Armstead]

38. Um, he's not planning to force you to go to his church

[MethuenProgressive]

42. IOKIBODI

Or so it seems, on DU at least.

[cbayer]

46. Would you mind telling me what that means?

Thanks in advance.

[last_texas_dem]

47. "It's OK if Barack Obama does it", I think

Someone on here has it as their sig line.

[MethuenProgressive]

48. Its OK If Barack Obama Does It.

Imagine if Hillary's pastor was selling such tapes...

[last_texas_dem]

43. "Hillary's opponent"

Kinda reminds me of the folks who hated FDR so much back when he was President that they only called him "that man"! Is there some back story here that I'm missing?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. His name is Obama and he's going to be the next President of the United States. Get used to it.

[superkia]

50. If you cared about racial conciliation, you would talk about...

some of the substance from the speech instead of using it as a political tool.

We here at DU, appreciate your honesty and showing us who you really are as a person, if you have children I bet they are proud of who you are! :sarcasm:

Great job!

[jeffrey_X]

53. It's not an all or none proposition. There IS a middle ground.

eom

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

56. "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

[taterguy]

58. Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese

Read a history book sometime

Moron

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

63. Watch a movie sometime.

You


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtP3whUbgZE

[taterguy]

64. Oh for fuck's sake

I've watched enough damn movies thank you very much

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1528913&mesg_id=1528913

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

65. I was afraid it was sarcasm.

But thanks for calling me a moron, anyway. :hi:

[taterguy]

69. You're welcome

:toast:

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

62. If you cared about the Democratic party

you'd knock off this ratcheting up of racial divide Hilary has been fomenting. How about the issues?

[UALRBSofL]

70. OP I agree and said that for the past week

But by staying in the church Obama reinforces Wright's rhetoric.