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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:47 PM
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Props to Barack from an Ardent Hillary Supporter
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 12:53 PM by kennetha
It was an amazing speech. And I give props to the man who had the courage to give it. It struck me as completely honest, delivered from the depths of his soul. Only a person like him -- who is simultaneously both of America and not of America, simultaneously authentically black and authentically non-black -- could possibly have given it. Only a person who has seen close up, as part of their own self-formation, both black anger and resentment and white reaction to black anger and resentment, could possibly be positioned to give that speech.

Barack is a remarkable man and he is remarkably well-positioned to address and perhaps help us bridge one of the still great divides of our time. If he wins the nomination, I'll not only vote for him, but give him money and work for him, the way I have been doing and will continue to do for Hillary until this thing is settled.

I still strongly prefer Hillary, partly because I believe much more in the power of concrete proposals and actions than in the power of rhetoric, dialogue and discourse. I think the real thing that is going to bridge racial gaps and form new coalitions are concrete, specific political actions and proposals around which people from diverse segments of our body politic can rally.

I don't actually think we need politicians to lead a debate about the sources of our anger and resentment or about whose anger and resentment is more legitimate. Mostly what we need from politicians is an end to the manipulative exploitation of our divisions for temporary political gain. On the positive side, what we need from them are concrete and specific proposals, legislation, executive orders, etc, that address issues of economic dislocation and decline, failing schools that are entirely inadequate to a globalizing age, inequities in healthcare, etc. in ways that many can endorse, independently of our divisions and distrust. Of course, they have to help us construct a shared narrative in the process. But they cannot really dictate or greatly influence that narrative, I don't think, since the formation of our collective self-identity, if you will, is influence by so much more than mere politics.

I guess I'm too old and a little too cynical to believe that divisions of race and class and gender will dissipate in a top-down way, because of the speechifying and rhetoric of a single politician. In terms of what I really look for from a politician at my advancing age -- concrete action and the courage to wage political fights that need to be waged -- I simply find Hillary more courageous and determined than Barack has so-far presented himself as being. And that's why I still endorse her, even though my respect for him got a serious boost today. If I were looking for a would be opinion leader and shaper -- a professor, a columnist, a preacher or teacher, a grass roots organizer, a motivational speaker, etc -- I would vastly prefer Obama to HIllary. And maybe that's part of what we want from our president, but it's not most of what I want from one.

Any way, I thought it was great, very courageous speech and it increased my admiration for the man qua man.

I really would love to see them form a ticket. I really, truly would. But I'd still want Hillary to be the president and Barack to be the Vice President -- though I don't doubt that if he does become president, he will grow considerably and probably pretty rapidly.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:50 PM
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1. This speech was beyond the Race
It was truly inspiring. What an wonderful day to be a Democrat!
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:29 PM
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8. Right
In a sense it wasn't really a political speech, at least not in the conventional sense.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:51 PM
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2. Thank you, you are a great dem!
:)
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:54 PM
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3. Thanks for your honesty - & Barack's message is PRECISELY that change is "bottom up"
and not top down.

He is constant constantly constantly talking to people about what they can do. Not what he can do.
I think he honestly does understand that change is very difficult, and will require far far more than
speeches, and rhetoric. I think today he demonstrated that, but he also showed that a message delivered
from the heart can reach people, and in so doing, at least help ignite some "action from below."

I agree with you concrete proposals and policy are critical - but he does have those too. IMHO - he is brilliant on
policy detail. When i saw him in person here in NM, and in response to a question from a tribal leader - he gave a
detailed and shockingly informed set of ideas on native american issues - i was once again blown away by his depth and
his substance on policy detail.

Thanks again for your honesty in hearing him today & best of luck to you!
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Georgie_92 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:00 PM
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4. Thank you.
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Georgie_92 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:00 PM
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5. Thank you.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:01 PM
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6. peace, kennetha
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:05 PM
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7. another Hillary supporter who thought it was a great speech.
I was impressed.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:33 PM
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9. Thanks, i'm moved by your opinions. Truly.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:33 PM
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10. Of all the things that are getting me all emotional and teary-eyed today....
... it's these honest and warm posts from Clinton supporters.

Thank you so much for that, kennetha!
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Adams Wulff Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:35 PM
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11. K&R
#5

Welcome to the Greatest page, Kennetha.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:36 PM
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12. Thanks for what you said!
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 01:36 PM by RiverStone
We can agree to disagree - Obama would be a transformative president unlike any other we have had in our country's history; and I'd be OK with Hillary as the VP.

Yet anybody on either side can hear the remarkable words he shared today.

Appreciate your words too kennetha! :)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:36 PM
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13. Props from this Hillary supporter too....increased my admiration for the man too.
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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:36 PM
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14. Thank you /nt
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:37 PM
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15. i agree 100%
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:38 PM
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16. Ugh.
"I still strongly prefer Hillary, partly because I believe much more in the power of concrete proposals and actions than in the power of rhetoric, dialogue and discourse."

Say you disagree with his policies. That is fine. But don't keep up this stupid meme.

Obama is trying to motivate people, that much is true. But if you honestly think that it's all hot air, well, the rest of your post doesn't mean anything to me.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:54 PM
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20. Didn't say it was "all hot air"
I said I preferred Hillary along one dimension and Barack along another dimension and that the dimension along which I prefer Hillary weighs more with me personally in determining my overall preference.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:01 PM
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22. Here's my issue.
You're creating a false dichotomy.

Hillary is the best at operational and strategic management, but isn't necessarily the best at motivating people.

Obama is the best at motivating people, but isn't necessarily the best at operational and strategic management.

The fact is that they are both great at BOTH.

Don't use these aspects as any sort of yardstick, because the difference on either side is negligable. Look at the issues. Look at the voting record. Find something concrete.

Using this false dichotomy is akin to the weakness you attribute to Obama. "rhetoric, dialogue and discourse" shouldn't help you pick the candidate, issues should.

PS: Great OP, and keep working hard for your candidate. Whatever happens, I hope we're on the same team in November.
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:39 PM
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17. Wonderful post from the other side
and it's a rare treat to see both supporters uniting in this thread. K&R

:kick:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:43 PM
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18. Props to you....
...for being a person first, a Dem seocond and a partisan lastly!

Here...from an Obama supporter...:hug:
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:46 PM
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19. Thank you.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:01 PM
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21. Thanks for your post. Preciate ya.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:10 PM
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23. Check out The Rude Pundit
OK he was with Obama anyway but hee is a professional cynic

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

also reported in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5137423
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:20 PM
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24. Twas indeed a very good speech, as I said.
It's another thing to calculate its political impact. But I don't really want to think about in those narrow terms right now. Maybe tomorrow I worry about the politics of it.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:30 PM
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25. Kennetha, Obama earned my respect with that speech this morning.
I have been very skeptical of him - his leadership and strength. I've questioned his playing the "race card", his being arrogant, his sexism toward Hillary. But today I saw a man with real potential to lead this country to a very good place.

Then I saw Hillary giving her news conference and taking questions, and I felt reassured about her leadership and ideas.

I think Clinton/Obama would be an awesome ticket.

With my man Edwards somewhere in the mix!
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:34 PM
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26. what press conference?
I agree. Think they would be awesome together. It would also help put some of this ugly infighting behind us.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:44 PM
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27. She gave a news conference today. CNN carried it for about 5-10 minutes.
MSNBC just a couple of minutes. She was in Philly...Mayor Nutter with her.
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