Hillary I love you but.....after watching Obamas speech...

[RethugAssKicker]

It was absolutely obvious that it is HIS TIME.

He was magnificent...and said almost everything we as Americans need to hear.
There is just something special, something almost spiritual, something that YOU KNOW is real about him....

We must give him a chance.

I believe Hillary is capable.. but if that speech Obama just gave didn't bring out a strong feeling of hope and excitement.... a feeling that things can possibly change.... a feeling that just maybe... just maybe we have a chance of changing things in this country.... YOU WERE NOT LISTENTING !...

This is the man we have been waiting for !!

[redqueen]

1. It's called "leadership".

:hi:

[FatDave]

14. It's hard to recognize it after so long though. (nt)

[burythehatchet]

25. We have before us an opportunity for a transformation

As a hardened cynic, I know that Barack Obama will not become the president. We will destroy him, and with him any hope for being rescued from this path to our demise.

[natrat]

73. totally , the junta wont let him near 1600

[ooglymoogly]

107. And yet Obama may just fool them all

with a landslide and then the only thing left to them would be assassination and if that happened the populace might just begin a revolt. If he wins and I think he will everyone has to watch his back with pen and everything we have. The people of Venezuela surrounded the palace when the Bushnicks tried a coop which failed because the people had his back.

[BumRushDaShow]

121. The only other thing is that the country's economic infrastructure will be in such bad shape

that they might leave him alone and let him have it so that they can then blame the Dems for the collapse. Then they'll make a run again in 2012 to "Save America" from the vast left-wing conspiracy. :eyes:

[ooglymoogly]

135. Yes you are right, that is a given, the collapse is already in full swing

and the pukes are pumping massive paper into the markets to hold it together till the end of their ruinous reign; Obama and the dems will have to clean up after the theft of the treasury, the massive war debt and the depression the pukes will joyously leave to the incoming. On a bright note FDR did it and I trust the leadership of Obama to do the same.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

2. kicking with tears in my eyes...Obama is truly inspirational nt

[RethugAssKicker]

37. He really is.. I feel the same way.. He doesn't go as far

as I would like.. but if he did he could never be elected..
Hopefully, when he gets elected he can display his true compassion and intelligence with sound policies.

[mythyc]

134. I get the same feeling that he should be going farther and then

he goes and does something like the speech. I agree, and love this thread. kicking....

[Megahurtz]

3. Great Post!

:7

[meow mix]

4. welcome home brother

=)

[Johnny__Motown]

5. Big States.... Big States... Big States..... My turn..... DAMN IT

[tulsakatz]

6. wow! excellent message........n/t

[Squatch]

7. I'm more of a "put your money where your mouth is" kinda guy

but I really liked what I was hearing. I really like the fact that he's not going to let this issue just fade into the background noise, but wants to confront it head-on.

[Growler]

8. K&R

[Life Long Dem]

9. I've said it here 100 times that she is a fake. She just isn't into it like Obama is.

And it is coming natural to him. This isn't the first speech of his that has moved me.

Hillary seems like she is/was in another world. Like she is going through the motions that she has already been elected. Anyone else get that feeling?

[ronnykmarshall]

26. I get a feeling after reading your post.

:puke:

[RethugAssKicker]

27. Thanks... I am not eloquent at all... But I meant every word!

[elixir]

10. I listened. He looked defeated and resigned, his delivery was flat and

the message was "our country is still divided, our country is a mess and only I can fix it." I don't want to hear how messed up our country is due to blacks, whites, browns and yellow people not getting along. It's not. he's the one with the spiritual advisor that has a problem with the white man.

[pretzel4gore]

15. rush limbah-humbug is worse!

limbah-humbug has been promoting for 20 long years the very thing that today the US must figure out how to put behind it. The cost of reactionarky nonsense is staggering, and that's the result of white racists like limbah-humbug terrorising the liberal left- they wanted to bankrupt NOT the federal government, but american society! And they did it!
To give the rage of an honest observer like Rev Wright the stage spotlight when limbah-humbug continues every day to advocate the physical ruination of the country, behind the cameras mind you, where he is thereby safe from the slack jawed ninnys noticing him; the same ninnies who think the pigmedia is liberal. Well it is not liberal. It is represented by limbah-humbug, who is really a traitor, in the purest sense. Reverend Wright is angry at the lying liar media, and the slack jawed ninnies that the lies are told to....

[Joe the Revelator]

16. I gurantee you are in a very small, but petty group who saw it this way.

How are those grapes tasting?

[LSparkle]

18. He said WE have to fix it -- I don't get this "cult" criticism of Obama

HE's not the one saying "I'll do this" and "I'll do that" and "I'm ready on Day One"
the way Hillary is. This campaign has NEVER been just about Obama -- it's been about
what WE all can do TOGETHER. That's why he has over 1 million donors ... it's a
team thing, not a "me" thing.

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[GalleryGod]

98. Nice post count, lurker...thus...

GFY

[Alexander]

123. Does the "Zee" stand for "Zell" in your screen name?

[IndependentDem]

84. its nice to see that some else sees it this way...

I too have never understood the argument that he is not 'the one' and all that shit. his entire campaign has been about changes that WE need to make. he has made it very clear that HE cannot do this alone. the whole motto of the campaign-- 'Yes we can' not 'Yes he can' why don't more people understand this?

[mcctatas]

35. "he's the one with the spiritual advisor that

has a problem with the white man."...
possibly one of the dumbest things I've read lately...kudos!

[RethugAssKicker]

36. Did you watch his speech.?.. If that's what you got out of it...

you should be on the freeper website.

[Divernan]

48. Not flat at all - calm, statesmanlike, confident - as opposed to HRC's manic eye-rolling,

arm-waving, overly coached, overly-dramatized, and generally old-style political demagoguery.

[DrZeeLit]

63. I'll second that. If I have to hear Hillary scream & yell one more time,

I'll tear out my hair.

Who the heck is coaching her on SPEAKING, aka Giving a Speech??

I am an English professor. I teach Speech class.
We will be using Barack Obama's speech as an example for a long, long time.

As I've told my classes for many years, "You've never been in the presence of good oration."
I'm talking about speech that moves people to act.
I saw both Kennedys give great, moving speeches.
MLK is the model in every speech textbook.
I also think Mario Cuomo is an excellent speaker.
And we've had others... some count Reagan, but these kids missed all of that.
They've been stuck with Bush, and Clinton wasn't very memorable.

I wish Hillary would get some coaching and quit screaming and yelling by the end of her speech.
Maybe I could listen.
She turns me off and I am a voter.

Obama... well, we're talking eloquence.
Thank goodness.

[greyghost]

102. Spot on, and extra marks!

[ekwhite]

109. Great post, but mentioning Mario Cuomo got me thinking

Back in the early 80's, when Cuomo was still governor, there was a controversy about establishing public housing in Bronxville, NY - an upscale area. Mario Cuomo said that opposing the public housing was OK because it was really about not wanting poor people in their neighborhood. I have never forgiven him for that.

[biglefthander]

56. I'm a white man...

...and I have a problem with what some white men have done to others whose skin is of a darker shade. I have said "God Damn America" on many occasions (especially over the past 7+ years).

We can, we should, we must be better than we have been in the past.

Read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn and count how many times you too say God Damn America. The truth is that our leaders in politics and business have done some very unsavory things for personal power and wealth that should be consider extremely "Un-American." Many of the true heroes in American history are people who have seen injustice and evil and said God Damn America and then stood up and tried to make our country a better place instead of a place that allows small-minded, venal, unprincipled men--many of them white--to use the resources and political power of this country to do great evil.

"The United States of America was established as a white society, founded upon the genocide of another race and then the enslavement of yet another." -Jim Wallis

[Blue State Bandit]

64. Here, here!

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Edmond Burke.

[IndyOp]

65. Welcome to DU biglefthander!

Given that you mentioned Howard Zinn and Jim Wallis in one of your first posts on DU, I KNOW that I am going to enjoy reading what you have to say!

:hi:

[biglefthander]

128. thanks...

...glad to be here.

But i must admit i am a little shocked at the vitriolic personal attacks that people are making against fellow Dems. I expect it out in the general blogosphere but in a Dems-only forum I expected better.

Are there Republican plants operating in here?

Pardon my naivete but I am new here, and unfortunately I do expect better from people who are supposed to be progressive and intellectual members of Thomas Jefferson's party.

[IndyOp]

132. It's been pretty miserable here since the primary began...

I use the ignore function very frequently now -- next to the name of an offending poster, click on the icon of the person with a red X on it.

I never used the ignore function before the primary, but I have 60-something people on my ignore list now.

I do remind myself that many people who are especially vitriolic ARE plants -- from one campaign or another or from the vast-right wing network of 40-year-old men who live in the basement of their mother's home.

And I try to make sure that I keep my side of the interactions above reproach - I haven't always done so, but I usually manage to not bother engaging with negative energy.

[RaleighNCDUer]

133. Though it was slightly before my time here, I understand that after

the 04 election there were a number of posters who outed themselves with "Ha Ha" posts, bragging at how they'd fucked with the fuzzy brained liberals here.

I fully expect to see the same, come november this year.

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[lakercub]

58. pathetic

if Reverend Wright had been on Hillary's side...and Hillary had just given this speech...you'd be beside yourself with joy. You're just angry you're candidate didn't say it.

[rucognizant]

116. Oh please!

If Hillary had made that speech, I would have been admiring HER for it!

[lakercub]

125. ummm...

that's what I'm saying...the problem is Hillary hasn't made this speech...she hasn't really said anything to energize us. Had she, she might have had the nomination locked up last fall (like she thought she did).

[pokercat999]

68. I heard the speech twice....I think we heard very different

speeches.

Sometimes when I get really bad cards I say they must have come from a different deck, when they obviously didn't. I think that's where you are, seeing/hearing a different deck.

[susankh4]

86. For me it was the first time I have taken him seriously...

he wasn't as cocky as before. I appreciated that. If he can maintain the humility I may be able to vote for him.... we'll see.

[bluescribbler]

89. Did you miss?

Did you miss this part?

Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy – particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

He was saying specifically that not only is he not the only one who can fix it, but also that he, alone, cannot fix it. It's up to all of us, black and white, male and female, Democrat and Republican, Americans all, to work together fo fix it and to form a more perfect union.

[AllexxisF1]

96. Oh brother.....

Give me a freaking break. Apparently you did not hear his speech or at the least comprehend it.

[ekwhite]

113. Alexis, the picture of Hillary is over the top

In the interest of comity on this board, why don't we give it a rest?

[rucognizant]

115. DID you SEE the date on Wrights RANT?

WHen he said "God Damned AMerica" instead of "God Bless America" it WAS EXACTLY FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE INVADED IRAQ ILLEGALLY!
I was also saying "God Damned AMerica" that day . And I'm a an old white woman, with ancestors buried in places that qualify me for the DAR, if I cared to join! ANd I DON"T have a spiritual advisor I'm a QUAKER!
This whole thing is a variation on the "DEAN SCREAM"!
It's the media stupid!

[ExPatLeftist]

136. Let me guess...

"I don't want to hear how messed up our country is due to blacks, whites, browns and yellow people not getting along. It's not." - I'll go out on a limb here and guess you are white. Are you actually claiming that racism does not exist and that it is still not a major issue in the USA?

Race has been, is, and likely will be a major issue in the US for some time to come. Those that do not see it are both on the "winning" side and willfully ignorant.

As far as Wright having a "problem with the white man"... Try living his life before you judge. If you had lived as a black American over the past 60+ years and DIDN'T have a "problem with the white man", then I would say there was something seriously wrong with you. White people will never know what it is like to be black in America. Period. The most ignorant whites among us share two main traits in that area: They do not realize that they have no understanding of the black situation and they do not try to understand - they rather consider it a "non-issue". Welcome to that "elite" club.

[roseBudd]

11. I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk

through it.

Oracle: It means know thy self. I wanna tell you a little secret, being the one is just like being in love. No one needs to tell you you are in love, you just know it, through and through.

The time is now. This is the one.

Sorry Hillary, it's not you. It's us.

[RethugAssKicker]

28. excellent analogy !

[TomBall Democrat]

51. Great sentiment, rosebud

I like that...


"it's not you. it's us".

That really describes the way I feel about this, too.

Went to hear Obama in Austin a year ago - at Town Lake. Just to see - liked the convention speech, the books, but thought why not see - so I drove from Houston. Whenever I can see a candidate in person I try to do it - get a more complete image of who they are. Frankly, thought I'd go for Hillary.

About ten minutes into the speech, I was knocked out. I had never heard a politician say - it's yours, not mine. It was powerful then, powerful now.
I thought this man understands democracy. Practices democracy. Doesn't need to "bring" democracy.

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[RememberWellstone]

12. One speech?

And thats what did it? Wow, shallow are we?

[Orrex]

70. Yes. One speech

Nothing else he's said or done has had any impact on anyone, because everyone's been so blown away by every word and deed performed by Senator Clinton.


Is it just possible that "one speech" was the catalyst, or perhaps the deciding factor, that helps one to decide in favor of Obama?


Or must someone be a cultist in order to support him for President?

[grantcart]

kick and rec

[backwoodsbob]

17. it was a hell of a speech

;-)

[Swamp Rat]

13. We could do a lot worse.

[pokercat999]

69. Don't ya think that photo shop of John Wayne McCain

is a little over the top?

On second thought, na, it's perfect.

[IsItJustMe]

19. K&R and AMEN.

[housewolf]

20. RethugAssKicker, Welcome

to the Hope in your heart.

:hi:

[RethugAssKicker]

30. Oh, I was never a Hillary supporter.. actually I was for Kucinich

but I do also love Hillary.... but Obama is truly a man of this time

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Thanks for the marching orders.

Must. Follow. Obama. Speech. Great. Must. Not. Dissagree. Speech. Great. Message. We. Must. Follow. Any. One. That. Does. Not. Agree. Are. Pieces. Of. Poop.

[RethugAssKicker]

31. stupid response.............and you know it.

[ronnykmarshall]

38. Oh thank you.

Thank you SO much for showing me the way.

Why I have been so lost!!!

Praise you. For showing me The Light.

Holy! Glory!

Ass.

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[CarbonDate]

44. Thanks for self-identifying....

...as a piece of poop. Such candor is refreshing in this day and age.

[casus belli]

46. Bitter much?

Therapy could probably help you with that.

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[BumRushDaShow]

126. Purple lips?

Outed. Welcome to my ignore! :eyes:

[ExPatLeftist]

138. WTF

Where do you get that idea from? I am far from an automaton, and I thought the speech was great. And I welcome any and all points of view and discussion.

So who exactly are you addressing and mocking? The imaginary "Obamabots" in your head?

Your post is a piece of shit. It says absolutely nothing. It is a caricature of a caricature of something that does not exist.

If you have another view, then by all means, let's discuss it. But do not lump me and millions of others into a class of people that only exists in your mind.

This shit played out in the 7th grade. If you are past that age, you should be ashamed.

[cooolandrew]

22. Meet Barack Obama, link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGGIHqIoP2k

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[WilliamPitt]

83. Wow.

You suck.

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[WilliamPitt]

104. And your name is...?

I smell a sock-puppet.

And your memory of history is badly bent.

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[VolcanoJen]

23. There's this part of me...

... that feels so strongly that we might be robbed of Obama's optimism, his leadership, his thoughtfulness, that somehow the country might not be altogether ready for him.

The other part of me is bigger, the one who thinks he'll have a rendezvous with history, that we all will, and we will emerge a stronger, better, more unified nation. That this is the time for someone like Barack Obama.

Great post (and screenname!), RethugAssKicker.

[RethugAssKicker]

34. I know.. I'm scared.. I'm listening to the MSM now...still tearing

him apart....The MSM will do whatever it takes to destroy him.

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[krkaufman]

24. Most important is Obama's effort to speak to all people ...

... rather than the divisive targeting of other pols.

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[Kahuna]

29. I disagree. It's OUR time. That's what Obama says. nt

[slinkerwink]

32. welcome aboard!

[BringBigDogBack]

33. "This is the man we have been waiting for !!"

So right you are! :thumbsup:

A K&R for you.

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[ekwhite]

119. It seems as if we are not the ones who have growing up to do

I am not certain what your problem is - but laying low for years and then popping up with a stream of diatribes against people who disagree with you is NOT winning you any friends on this board, and is not winning anyone to your cause. Accusing people who disagree with you of belonging to a cult, of 'swooning' over a candidate, etc., is patently false and just plain petulant. Your posts sound like a slightly more eloquent version of a tantrum by a four-year old. Take your own advice and try to be more mature.

[Tatiana]

39. Obama is a natural leader. There's no doubt he can get this country back on track. n/t

[RiverStone]

40. You are so right!

:hi:

Kick!

[meow mix]

41. K&R

[VotesForWomen]

42. put the same words in hillary's or mccain's mouth and you'd be shitting all over them. that's the r

reality of it. the whole O frenzy is a cult of personality, nothing more.

[KnaveRupe]

43. Hillary or McCain would sound pretty stupid

saying either of them was the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas.

Just sayin'.

[CarbonDate]

45. We'll never know, will we?

Because such inspirational words would never be heard coming from Clinton's or McCain's mouths. That's the reality of it. Obama is just such a vastly superior candidate that Clinton supporters have nothing left but to denigrate and degrade.

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[casus belli]

47. That's because their sincerity would be suspect.

Not an issue with Obama. He's the real deal. And all of the naysayers will, you can rest assured, be telling their grandkids how they helped put the first black president in office, when all they really did was create roadblocks.

[TomBall Democrat]

53. Sounds like an anger management issue, dear nt

[TomBall Democrat]

54. 1000+ posts in 2months

perhaps you should step away from the computer - get some fresh air and perspective.

Maybe wash your mouth out with soap, too.

[lakercub]

60. I'd love to put inspiring words in Hillary or McCain's mouths

as they seem unable to do so themselves

[RaleighNCDUer]

71. If Hillary could ever make a speech with such direct honesty

and fearlessness I might begin to regain the respect for her I once had.

But I'm not holding my breath.

[Skarbrowe]

114. I don't think Hillary can get all the free air time to make any speeches.

Just sayin.

Obama's fine with me. I just don't worship him.

[GalleryGod]

95. Since you have NO PRofile on DU...

GFY

[Lannigan]

49. "spiritual"?

I'm sure I will get flamed for this, but describing any political leader as "almost spiritual" scares the sh!t out of me.

I want a President, not a preacher. That's one of the issues I've had with Sen. Obama since the start - I feel like I'm in church when he talks. Scary.

[odelisk8]

50. you know

i can't imagine that some of the people with Hillary icons are actually supporters...i seriously doubt that Hillary would want you bashing yesterday's speech...what precisely is it about trying to heal the racial divide that bothers the trolls so much?

[RaleighNCDUer]

72. You gotta wonder, don't you?

Welcome to DU!

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[odelisk8]

94. it's ok

thank you for simply making the point more clear. i know, you are afraid. it's ok. you'll get the help you need.

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[odelisk8]

105. check the stove

i think one of your pilots is out...

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[Recursion]

124. I thought it was spelled "Zell" (nt)

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[ekwhite]

122. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Mme. Defarge]

52. THIS TIME ... n/t

[Umbram]

55. Excellent (nt).

[gayron]

57. It is not his time

He still attends that church and until he leaves, he will continue on this decline of his support!

[frogcycle]

59. Really don't get it, huh? n/t

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[odelisk8]

101. wait a minute!

check out the name! i know you!

[DearAbby]

62. Is that a religious test?............

Does America now dictate where it is acceptable for people to worship?
It is clear that Wright is a lot more than what MSM's looped 6 minute tape is trying to portray.

Since when do we as a nation, dictate where a person can or can not worship? Is this a Religious test? Because that is unconstitutional.

[ExPatLeftist]

137. Is that what a true leader does...

...Change his actions at the sign of polls changing?

[whistle]

61. If Obama continues to speak from his heart in this same way moving forward

...on all of the most important issues, he certainly will get the democratic party nomination and most likely will win the presidential election. As the Obama speaking the truth and offering real solutions will also prove to at last be a leader this country has needed and longed for over the past four and one half decades. I want to hear more from Obama.

[russian33]

66. what does that mean "HIS TIME"?

Hillary is accused left and right that she thinks she's due for the presidency, but for Obama it's "his time"?

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[thoughtcrime1984]

67. He is encouraging us to be a bigger part of our gov't

and to demand more of elected officials. His transparency platform will allow us to hold our legislators much more accountable for their actions. He is a true leader, regardless of how few years he has been in the Beltway. I look at that as a positive in his case, as he is about as smart as any candidate we have ever had, and has natural ability to lead. I hope we do not miss this chance at real, substantive change in our politics. It'd be a shame to keep asking for the SOS that has this country in near-shambles already.

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108. .

You'll be ts'd soon enough.

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[ekwhite]

127. TS = tombstoned

That is what the term for when someone's account is deleted for violating the terms of service.

[Scurrilous]

87. K & R

:thumbsup:

[yurbud]

92. Obama needs to say to her what Bill said to Papa Bush in 1992: "We salute yur service...

to our country, but now it's time to step aside and let another generation take the wheel."

Even though Hillary isn't that old, the strategy of compromise and capitulation with the Far Right is over.

Obama may have a more conciliatory tone, but in practice he will probably reach further, and invite the right to come along or miss the boat.

[ClayZ]

97. Kick

[ORDem]

99. Yes, it was magnificent. I tried, but couldn't imagine a speech like that from HRC. n/t

[Laelth]

106. Obama is just cool.

I think Paul Beatty nailed it in this New Republic essay.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=c6ac05ce-3b9b-4040-94f0-de31c849692c

"He's got cool, and cool is the ultimate transcendent."

:headbang:

-Laelth

[Wetzelbill]

110. That speech will go down as one of the most famous ever

The Gettysburg Address. I have a dream. Ask not what your country can do for you... etc etc. It's a landmark achievement in our nation's history. Everybody keeps looking for those moments like trying to see if Romney's speech on religion would be as epic as JFK's, everybody is always in search of that next great moment that people will talk about forever, well, Obama did it with this speech.

[Enthusiast]

120. Great post! Thank you..............

Obama is the man for the job! And I'm no moron you asshole Hillary supporters!