Didnt Obama Lie about never in 20 yrs hearing controversial remarks from Wright.

[MojoMojoMojo]

I read on DU that he said that on Fox on Friday.
Today he does a complete reversal.
Wasnt that a lie last week or today?

"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

[Life Long Dem]

1. He did it! He pulled out of this with a great speech!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[flor de jasmim]

2. He said he had not heard THOSE SPECIFIC comments

fiery speech yes.

[anamandujano]

3. There were many threads that covered his media blast saying that

he did indeed plead ignorance to Wright's hateful language. He hadn't heard it, he wasn't there, typical Obama story revisions.

[haymakeragain]

5. Baloney.

Straws.

[DemVet]

8. Nope, it is true...he denied hearing Wright say such things. n/t

[haymakeragain]

17. No he didn't, he said he wasn't at those sermons that were being milked

by the press and the Hills and the Repubniks. He said he hadn't heard Wright speak in such a manner in private. He said today that he had heard some fiery rhetoric that he didn't agree with. either way, we are seperating fly shit from pepper.

[DemVet]

34. Nope, you're wrong. n/t

[LSparkle]

14. He was aware of the controversial NATURE of Wright's sermons, not necessarily

the exact wording of EVERY ONE of them. He DID NOT admit today that he had
been in church when the sermons AT ISSUE were preached; he simply acknowledged
that he had been present when Wright said things that he disagreed with.

This taking of Obama's statements out of context is typical of dittoheads.
Maybe Obama was expecting too much of America to actually deal with this
issue intelligently.

[mcctatas]

29. I know the hillary camp is getting most of its talking points from

Newsmax these days, but what he said was...

Q: I don't know if you've seen it, but it's all over the wire today (from an ABC News story), a statement that your pastor (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's South Side) made in a sermon in 2003 that instead of singing "God Bless America," black people should sing a song essentially saying "God Damn America."


A: I haven't seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements.


*******this was on the day the story broke********
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_557231.html

[redqueen]

4. Boy, whoever sent out these talking points is sure gettin some mileage outta them.

:eyes:

[Diane R]

18. They don't have much to work with, but they try. And, a lot of lemmings happily follow behind.

[Stephanie]

6. Let it go.

It's over.

[Auntie Bush]

15. They let it go that Bill, Hillary and Geraldine are racist and that the Clintons are liars.

Only then will it rightfully be over.

[jenmito]

27. Who called Bill, Hillary, and Geraldine racists? I've been kicking my thread for days

now asking for anyone to prove Ferraro right when she claimed Susan Rice and Jan Schakowsky called her a racist on tv. No answers.`

[Stephanie]

42. I don't think Bill & Hillary are racists. However I think they were willing to EXPLOIT racism.

They decided they had to win even if it was "by any means necessary," and they employed every option. They admitted as much. The kitchen sink.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. The story is over, time to stop repeating talking points.

[haymakeragain]

9. Are these the talking points for the attack?

It is of course not accurate. Obama could have been at a sermon that was fiery without being at the ones that have been played ad nauseum for the past few days.

It is over with regard to Wright. O-V-E-R period

[Milo_Bloom]

10. No.

Because he didn't ever say what you THINK he said.

He said that he wasn't present for THOSE SPECIFIC REMARKS that had been playing in the news. He never, ever claimed to not be present when something controversial was said.

[Mags]

11. Yes he did, but the suckers don't know the difference no do they care.

[haymakeragain]

19. Prove your point, Mags, if you can, and as for the sucker part,

fuck off

[Mags]

36. Ok, thats what I call hope, change and unity.

[Swamp Rat]

12. PLOP!

[thesubstanceofdreams]

13. HE DIDN'T LIE

He said he didn't hear THE SPECIFIC REMARKS that were at issue. He ackowledge ALREADY ON TV INTERVIEWS ON FRIDAY that he did sit through controversial remarks.

HE DIDN'T LIE AND THIS IS FACT AND DOCUMENTED.

SO STOP LYING SAYING THAT HE LIED.

[skids]

16. obviously not just a READING comprehension problem

more like a general comprehension problem

or even more likely, a willful refusal to comprehend

when are the campaigns going to stop treating the general web readership like they are morons?

waste of bandwidth

[Kahuna]

20. Give it a rest will ya. "Controversial" is in the eye of the beholder..

So he covered all bases.

[Liberal Veteran]

21. Man, Karl Rove is fast with that mass faxing of talking points.

[4_Legs_Good]

22. OMG, anyone who has gone to church for 20 years and not heard any controversial remarks needs to

find a new church.

Geesh, can you imagine sitting in a pew for an hour a week and never getting your bood warmed up by some dumbass (or brilliantly controversial) remark?

I've almost stormed out of my church many times, though somehow it's like a family, and no matter how lame I think some remarks are, I keep going back.

People who don't attend church regularly I don't think understand the nature of attendance and how personal it is.

David

[OhioBlue]

23. no he didn't say he never heard any controversial

remarks. i watched it. that was hannity spin, but not obama's words.

[ficus1]

24. "No" if you can handle nuance. "Yes" if you have an extremely low IQ.

How you answer the question of whether Obama contradicted himself from Friday to today reveals much about your intelligence.

[jenmito]

25. No-here's part of a transcript where he says he DID hear some controversial remarks:

"I did not hear such incendiary language myself, personally, either in conversations with him or when I was in the pew. He always preached the social gospel and was sometimes controversial in the same way that many people who‘d speak out on social issues are controversial...

But these particular statements that had been gathered are ones that I strongly objected to and strongly condemned. Had I heard them in church, I would have expressed that concern directly to Reverend Wright. So, I didn‘t familiar with these until recently.
.........
He‘s an African-American man, who, you know, because of his life experience continues to have a lot of anger and frustration, and will express that in ways that are very different from me and my generation, partly because I benefited from the struggles of that early generation. And so, part of what we‘re seeing here is a transition from the past to the future. And I hope that our politics represents the future."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23675485/

[desi]

26. Of course he lied...

but "It's just words"....

[Bjorn Against]

38. When did he lie? I want a specific quote, I don't want to hear "well according to Fox he said..."

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. yes he lied many times and made a forced confesion speech

[Bjorn Against]

39. If he lied many times I am sure you can cite these many lies.

Please give me a specific quote from Obama, if you claim he is a liar you need to back up your claim.

[The_Casual_Observer]

30. It'll be 4 years of "I didn't say what you thought I heard cause I said

what it was that was said by the 2nd party who said what I didn't hear"

[earthlover]

31. Are yu talking about Clinton?

[Karmadillo]

32. I thought we all agreed we would pretend Obama's lies weren't lies.

nt

[goclark]

33. I did not have sex with that woman!

[Orsino]

35. Hell, I wouldn't think less of him for zoning out in church and missing something.

But controversial is in the eye of the beholder. It ain't a lie when we can't agree on just what is worthy of controversy.

[Bjorn Against]

37. Who cares if he heard controversial remarks or not?

Is there something wrong with listening to and respecting people you may not always agree with? Damn if we are going to hold our politicians to this standard we can rule out anyone who has ever read blogs when it comes time to choose future candidates, because controversial things are said here all the time.

Damn people are now so sensitive to hearing controversial opinions that they now condemn people just for hearing controversial opinions. What the fuck is wrong with people? I for one want someone in office who sometimes hears some of the voices that exist outside the echo chamber.

[Skwmom]

40. It was not a lie. He said he never heard Wright make the comments on the video excerpts.

[musicblind]

41. You are right, and he should have left those words out of the speech, but

other than that it was a remarkable speech and a job WELL done.