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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:46 PM
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New white senator from Illinois would hardly have stirred comparable interest
Mr. Obama has pointedly acknowledged that he benefits from his race, noting last year that a new white senator from Illinois would hardly have stirred comparable interest or intrigue. So Mr. Obama has embraced his role, but he has strived to be defined by more than color alone.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/washington/24obama.html?_r=4&sq=obama%20third%20senator%20reconstruction&st=nyt&scp=10&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


So, why all the hullabaloo about Geraldine Ferraro's comment?

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:47 PM
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1. On this beautiful day, you just go a dig up more worthless shit. . .
. . .must suck to be you.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:48 PM
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2. LOL LOL piceless response
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:49 PM
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4. Hypocrite.......
LOL :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Poor thing...did it take the shine off the basking in the glory of Obama's speech?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:51 PM
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6. How exactly am I a hypocrite?
I never said I wanted to be you. I have never seen a good day for Hillary that made me want to rain on her parade. So explain to me how I'm a hypocrite.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:56 PM
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17. You're a hypocrite because you join in all the bashing of
Hillary, anytime and for anything. Obama supporters post rightwing talking points against Hillary all the time. I merely quoted what the good senator himself is quoted as saying.

Truth hurts, eh?



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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:00 PM
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26. Why must you be so hateful? n/t
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:13 PM
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35. Look again, I don't take part in Hillary bashing threads. I defend Obama when necessary. . .
...while I have been very critical of Clinton its only in the context of responding to attacks.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:51 PM
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7. This isn't a team sport. You're playing politics just like the Repubs.
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 07:52 PM by cui bono
You just really want to win don't you? Even if America loses. Sad.

Did you even bother to absorb the substance of his speech? Or did you jump right in to ridicule it before he even finished his first sentence?



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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 PM
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12. Oh, please....
the faux outrage of it all. Your guy would say and do anything to win and so would his supporters. You excuse anything he says or does....talk about repubs.....you got the new Jesus candidate, something which you guys pitched hissy fits over in a republican.

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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:58 PM
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24. you are now ignored
Peace
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:59 PM
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25. Show me where I've done what you've accused me of...

Oh, and let's see if you can tell me who my guy is.... Who is my guy?

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:49 PM
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3. History disagrees
"After the election for Senator in Illinois, Lincoln edited the texts of all the debates and had them published in a book. The wide-spread coverage of the original debates and the subsequent popularity of the book led eventually to Lincoln's nomination for President of the United States by the 1860 Republican National Convention in Chicago."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln-Douglas_debates_of_1858

Lincoln lost the senate race on a technicality, and it was a blessing.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:50 PM
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5. jeebus christ

Leave it to a hillbot.

Context is everything, don't you know? Of course if you're still supporting Hillary I'm sure subtlety and nuance escapes you. Possibly truth as well. And most likely reality.


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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:52 PM
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10. spin spin spin little obamabot n/t
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 PM
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13. I'm not an Obama supporter. My guys are out of the race.

But those of you who stillsupport Hillary are supporting everything that is wrong with politics and the campaigns. You are supporting divisiveness. You are supporting McCain>Obama.

It's really pathetic that you guys just can't open your eyes.

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:55 PM
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16. sure......n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:56 PM
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18. They can't handle that. If you criticize one you have to love the other.
It's the kind of black and white thinking that would make Bush proud.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:58 PM
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22. Exactly. They just don't get the big picture. n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:51 PM
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8. It's like you didn't even pay attention today
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:52 PM
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9. Because it is beneficial now to complain about it?
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Thurston Howell III Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:53 PM
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11. The only thing it seems I'm doing today is clicking Ignore.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 PM
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15. alright! I made your ignore list....
that warms my heart.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:57 PM
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20. See? It's that attitude I was talking about. Sad. Just like your idol.

Hope the koolaid tasted good.

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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:06 PM
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30. Me too! Please!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 PM
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14. Nor would a sophmore Senator from New York
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:56 PM
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19. Stay classy. n/t
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:57 PM
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21. Hillary Clinton wouldn't be where she is today if her last name wasn't Clinton.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:06 PM
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31. Hillary was quite successful before Bill and he probably wouldn't been POTUS without her
"College
In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<16> She served as president of the Rockefeller Republican-oriented<17> Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year<18><19> and with them supported the elections of John Lindsay and Edward Brooke.<20> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<18> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<21> Active in campus affairs, she sought to work for change within the system, rather than take then-popular radical actions against it.<22> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<23> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty.<24> In early 1968 she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association and served through early 1969;<22><25> she was instrumental in keeping Wellesley from being embroiled by the student disruptions common to other colleges at the time.<22> A number of her fellow students thought at the time she might someday become the first woman President of the United States.<22> She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<24> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller’s late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<24> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<24>
Rodham returned to Wellesley, and wrote her senior thesis about the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky under Professor Schechter (which, years later while she was First Lady, was suppressed at the request of the White House and became the subject of speculation as to its contents).<26> In 1969, Rodham graduated with departmental honors in political science. Stemming from the demands of some students,<27> she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address.<25> Her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.<22><28><29> She was featured in an article published in Life magazine, due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Edward Brooke, who had spoken before her at the commencement;<8> she also appeared on Irv Kupcinet's nationally-syndicated television talk show as well as in Illinois and New England newspapers.<30> That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthy conditions).<31><32>
Law school
Rodham then entered Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.<33> During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center,<34> learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973).<35><36> She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale-New Haven Hospital,<35> and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free advice for the poor.<34> In the summer of 1970, she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor, researching migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education;<37><38> Edelman would become a significant mentor to her.<38>
In the late spring of 1971, she began dating Bill Clinton, who was also a law student at Yale. That summer, she interned on child custody cases<39> at the Oakland, California, law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein,<40><41> which was well-known for its support of constitutional rights, civil liberties, and radical causes;<41> two of its four partners were current or former communist party members.<41><42><43> Clinton canceled his original summer plans in order to live with her in an apartment in Berkeley, California,<44> later writing, "I told her I'd have the rest of my life for my work and my ambition, but I loved her and I wanted to see if it could work out for us."<44> The romance did develop, and the couple continued living together in New Haven when they returned to law school.<42> The following summer, Rodham and Clinton campaigned in Texas for unsuccessful 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern.<45><46> She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973,<8> having spent an extra year there in order to be with Clinton.<47> Clinton first proposed marriage to her following graduation, but she declined at the time.<47> She began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.<48> Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973.<49> Discussing the new children's rights movement, it stated that "child citizens" were "powerless individuals"<50> and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but rather courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis.<51> The article became frequently cited in the field.<52>"
----------snip-------------
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton>
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:07 PM
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32. I doubt that she would've been in this position, though...
if her husband had not been president. I'll put it that way.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:58 PM
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23. .
;)
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:01 PM
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27. As I pointed out on the other inane thread about this: that's not a quote from Obama.
It's someone's opinion at the NYT.

If you want to compare and contrast Ferraro and the NYT, go for it!
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:02 PM
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Well, I'm glad he acknowledged exactly what Ferraro was saying
Thanks for posting this article. It just reinforces everything that's been going on this week.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:02 PM
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28. please return from beneath your rock
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:06 PM
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29. stupid POS
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:16 PM
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33. I am a white man, and one of the reasons I support Obama is because he is a black man....
...I believe that his presidency would be transformational for the #1 issue facing America since its inception, racial inequality.

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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:17 PM
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34. Obamas speech included manipulative race baiting about Ferraro
DIVISIVE
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